You Proud, Boys? Judge refuses to drop charges!

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... She'll be commenting about him UNDER OATH when these
investigations continue next year.

### Salty

You couldn't be farther off. IF the Republicans take control of the house/senate, which is likely. They won't touch Jan. 6, they will try to make it more of a mirage. Hell, they are already acting like nothing happened. The last thing they would/will want is more publicity.


In the meantime, they are worried how much PROOF is going to come out that's going to bring 2022 crashing down on them.

[Yssup Rider]

Congress has a year to get that done. I believe Trumps GOP ranks will be decimated in 2022. The GOP may get control of the House but it won’t be Trumpsuckers. If that happens, I’ll gladly suffer the two next years under a Trumpless GOP.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

You couldn't be farther off. IF the Republicans take control of the house/senate, which is likely. They won't touch Jan. 6, they will try to make it more of a mirage. Hell, they are already acting like nothing happened. The last thing they would/will want is more publicity.


In the meantime, they are worried how much PROOF is going to come out that's going to bring 2022 crashing down on them.

... YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
Everything IS COMING OUT.... Trump called for the
National Guard BEFORE the 6th - and Nancy Pelosi
said NO... She wanted people to get inside the
Capitol - and the used DOJ "agents" such-as
Ray Epps to do it.
Ray and the other agents REMOVED fencing and barriers
and led people to the door. "Go on in!"

... When I surely mentioned this weeks ago - weren't YOU
one o' the liberal lads who said I was lying about this?!

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
Everything IS COMING OUT.... Trump called for the
National Guard BEFORE the 6th - and Nancy Pelosi
said NO... She wanted people to get inside the
Capitol - and the used DOJ "agents" such-as
Ray Epps to do it.
Ray and the other agents REMOVED fencing and barriers
and led people to the door. "Go on in!"

... When I surely mentioned this weeks ago - weren't YOU
one o' the liberal lads who said I was lying about this?!

#### Salty

It's always "COMING OUT."

But is just never does.

Whassup with that ### Salty?

[Ducbutter]

From Michael Tracey via Substack:
Please Shut the Hell up About Jan.6

"We are being told that a “coup attempt” no longer needs to be understood as constituting an “attempt” to seize control of the government — as had generally been the common understanding of the term before the events of yesterday, which have caused the entire political and media establishment to go completely haywire.

Is it unusual for a mob to breach the Capitol Building — ransacking offices, taking goofy selfies, and disrupting the proceedings of Congress for a few hours? Yes, that’s unusual. But the idea that this was a real attempt at a “coup” — meaning an attempt to seize by force the reins of the most powerful state in world history — is so preposterous that you really have to be a special kind of deluded in order to believe it. Or if not deluded, you have to believe that using such terminology serves some other political purpose. Such as, perhaps, imposing even more stringent censorship on social media, where the “coup” is reported to have been organized. Or inflicting punishment on the man who is accused of “inciting” the coup, which you’ve spent four years desperately craving to do anyway. He’s already been effectively banned from Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter — a rubicon-crossing event in the suppression of political speech which, of course, is being cheered by all the usual suspects who otherwise claim to be stalwart defenders of enlightened liberal values.

At no point yesterday was the American government at risk of being “overthrown,” as members of Congress have laughably suggested. Per usual, our guardians of consensus can’t bring themselves to describe what unfolded with any degree of dispassion or calm. Instead we’re told by the incoming Senate Majority Leader, for example, that January 6, 2021 will now “live in infamy” right alongside December 7, 1941. Elected officials issued emotional notices that they were “okay,” like they had just narrowly avoided being crushed in an earthquake, or escaped the World Trade Center on 9/11. This is made all the more odd because the only person upon whom lethal force was committed appears to have been a Trump-supporting woman who was shot point-blank in the throat by a Capitol police officer. She’s now dead. Congress was temporarily inconvenienced.

Journalists and pundits, glorying in their natural state — which is to peddle as much free-flowing hysteria as possible — eagerly invoke all the same rhetoric that they’d abhor in other circumstances on civil libertarian grounds. “Domestic terrorism,” “insurrection,” and other such terms now being promoted by the corporate media will nicely advance the upcoming project of “making sure something like this never happens again.” Use your imagination as to what kind of remedial measures that will entail.

Trump’s promotion of election fraud fantasies has been a disaster not just for him, but for his “movement” — such as it exists — and it’s obvious that a large segment of the population actively wants to be deceived about such matters. But the notion that Trump has “incited” a violent insurrection is laughable. His speech Monday afternoon that preceded the march to the Capitol was another standard-fare Trump grievance fest, except without the humor that used to make them kind of entertaining. Trump didn’t command that his followers physically breach the Capitol Building. In fact, after previously saying he would join the march, he seems to just have gone home to tweet and watch TV. So, basically his normal routine on a typical day, minus a trip to the golf course.

Trump has never had the concentration, organizational acumen, or ideological coherence to mount a bonafide “coup,” and a mob intrusion which was swiftly dispersed by armed agents of the state doesn’t change that. Shortly after the breach, he released a video instructing his followers not to take Senators hostage or imprison Mike Pence, but to “go home.” No factions of the federal government joined the mob on Trump’s orders, because he didn’t bother issuing any. The whole episode never stood the remotest chance of preventing the certification of Joe Biden, much less overthrowing the government. It was just another goofball charade, and in that sense a fitting end to the Trump presidency.

Still, there are many people in positions of power who would like you to believe that a real-life “insurrection” is genuinely underway, and to develop a kind of exaggerated mythical understanding of what occurred at the Capitol. Because it will enable them to seize additional powers — not through a “coup,” but through the vast inflation of an alleged threat, which is always how they do it."

https://mtracey.substack.com/p/pleas...-about-january

[VerySkeptical]

]Wrong. He hasn't been arrested because he didn't commit a crime. I included the statements he made per the videos he was in in that other post pointing out your multiple mistakes. He didn't push anyone. There's no proof he commits crimes in other videos that may or may not exist.
In America, you're innocent until proven guilty. Once again you try to deflect the facts at hand. You asked if posters thought you were lying, remember? I showed you were.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... You answer your-own question as-to why he hasn't
been arrested - he was there as one o the DOJ "agents"
- to push people to enter the Capitol.

THIS would all be rather easy for the FBI/DOJ to clear up.
Release ALL the videos of inside and outside the Capitol
from 5th and 6th January. ... And answer questions that
the media may have.

... You Do understand that President Trump asked for
National Guard troops to be deployed to the Capitol
before 6th January. ... And Nancy Pelosi DECLINED
to have the troops there.

I understand you are lying again. Trump requested traffic control troops. Trump kept claiming fraud when, other than some isolated instances that mostly involve Trumpys< his AG, multiple judges that he appointed, and the vice president do not support.
You compound your lies in posts meant to deflect the truth.
It surely makes me wonder why you don't fact check your lies before you post them.
See below for National Guard timeline and why Pelosi didn't decline.

.... Surely makes you wonder why, don't it?

### Salty

Trump requested the guard for the D.C. police. Not the Capitol police.

From: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/ti...nt-to-capitol/
"Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meet with Trump, according to the Department of Defense. Trump agrees to activate the D.C. National Guard to support D.C. police (not Capitol Police) with crowd and traffic control."

"In the critical minutes before rioters had breached the Capitol building around 2 p.m., the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police force and the mayor of Washington, D.C., put out urgent requests for guard backup. But it took more than an hour to get formal approval for their deployment, and then nearly three more hours for the first guard reinforcements to arrive.

The D.C. National Guard reports to the president.

In a recorded video the following day, President Donald Trump claimed that he “immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders.” But Trump’s claim that he acted quickly is contradicted by news reports citing unnamed sources who say the president initially resisted efforts to bring in the National Guard at the outset of the Capitol riot.

The New York Times, citing unnamed Defense Department officials, said it was Vice President Mike Pence, not Trump, who approved deployment of the D.C. National Guard that afternoon. The Times also cited a “person with knowledge of the events” who said Trump “initially rebuffed and resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard “and that the “mobilization was initiated with the help of Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, among other officials.”

CNN also reported that Trump “initially resisted” deploying the guard, according to an unnamed “source familiar” with the decision to call in the National Guard. Neither report says how long Trump may have resisted the call — minutes, hours? — whether that led to any appreciable delay in activating the guard, or whether an earlier deployment could have averted the worst of the violence.

Defense Department officials stress that Capitol Police did not request National Guard troops for the Capitol prior to the event — despite repeated offers from the military. The guard is “not designed to be an emergency response force,” one defense official told the Wall Street Journal.

So why weren’t National Guard troops included in the plans leading up to the rally to guard the Capitol that day? Why did it take so long for the guard to arrive that afternoon? And what was Trump’s role? The answers to those questions are likely to emerge as investigations about the response unfold.

Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy National Guard troops. We’ll supplement this report as we learn more.

The Planning
Dec. 31: Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser and Dr. Christopher Rodriguez, the D.C. director of homeland security and emergency management agency, deliver a written request for D.C. National Guard support of the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department for the rally, according to a Pentagon timeline issued Jan. 8. In her letter, Bowser says, “No DCNG personnel shall be armed during this mission, and at no time, will DCNG personnel or assets be engaged in domestic surveillance, searches, or seizures of US persons.”

That same day, Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters has an hourlong phone conversation with Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund to express her “grave concerns” about proposed security for the rally, given that several right-wing extremist groups were expected to be in attendance. Waters says Sund — who did not request National Guard backup prior to the day of the riot — assured her the Capitol plaza would be “absolutely secured” and that rally attendees “would not be able to get inside or on top of the Capitol building.”

The Capitol Police has jurisdiction over the federal Capitol building and grounds, while the D.C. police force has jurisdiction over city streets and property.

Jan. 3: The Department of Defense confirms with Capitol Police that there is no request for DoD support, according to the Pentagon.

Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller meets with “select Cabinet Members to discuss DoD support to law enforcement agencies and potential requirements for DoD support,” the Pentagon says.

Miller and Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meet with Trump, according to the Department of Defense. Trump agrees to activate the D.C. National Guard to support D.C. police (not Capitol Police) with crowd and traffic control. The Pentagon later tells Pro Publica, “The President had no role in tactical matters as the capabilities deployed and location were dictated solely by the request from D.C. government.”

D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee says 340 guardsmen will assist with crowd management and traffic control to free up the city police officers to respond to potential acts of violence and other security issues, according to CNN.

Jan. 4: Capitol Police again confirms there is no need for DoD support in a phone call with Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, according to the Pentagon. Miller, in consultation with Milley, McCarthy and DoD general counsel, “reviews the Department’s plan to be prepared to provide support to civil authorities, if asked, and approves activation of 340 members of the DCNG to support Mayor Bowser’s request.” The support is mostly for traffic control, crowd control at subway stations and logistics support. Miller also authorizes McCarthy to deploy a “Quick Reaction Force” of 40 National Guard members staged at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland “if additional support is requested by civil authorities.”

Capitol Police Chief Sund asks the House and Senate sergeant-at-arms about the possibility of placing the D.C. National Guard on standby, in case the Capitol Police needed quick backup. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says they were hesitant to agree. According to the article, “House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he wasn’t comfortable with the ‘optics’ of formally declaring an emergency ahead of the demonstration, Sund said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that Sund should informally seek out his Guard contacts, asking them to ‘lean forward’ and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.” All three officials — Sund, Irving and Stenger — have since resigned.

Update, Jan. 28: In prepared testimony for her Jan. 26 appearance before a closed session of the House Appropriations Committee – which was obtained by the New York Times — the acting chief of the Capitol Police, Yogananda D. Pittman, confirmed that on Jan. 4 – two days before the riot – “Sund requested that the Capitol Police Board declare a state of emergency and authorize a request to secure National Guard support. The Board denied the request, but encouraged Chief Sund to contact the DC National Guard to determine how many Guardsman could be sent to the Capitol on short notice, which he did.” The Capitol Police Board has three voting members: the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms and the architect of the Capitol. As we noted in our initial report, the House and Senate sergeants-at-arms have since resigned.

Jan. 5: According to the Pentagon, Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the U.S. acting attorney general, Miller and McCarthy confirming that there are no additional support requests from the D.C. National Guard. Bowser later says that she already had the support she requested from the National Guard and that any decision to request guard forces to protect the Capitol is not hers. “The Capitol Police and the leadership at the Capitol, they did not make the decision to call in guard support,” Bowser later says in a press conference on Jan. 7. “I cannot order the Army, the National Guard, to the United States Capitol grounds. I can, in the district, with the approval of the secretary of the Army.”

According to an internal document reviewed by the Washington Post, an FBI office in Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to commit violence in Washington on Jan. 6. According to the bulletin — which Steven D’Antuono, head of the FBI’s Washington field office, said was shared “with all our law enforcement partners” through the joint terrorism task force — “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” Sund told the Post he never received nor was made aware of the FBI’s field bulletin.

Update, Jan. 28: According to a Jan. 5 memo obtained by the Washington Post, the Pentagon restricted the authority of Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, so that he could not deploy the quick reaction force without approval from higher-ups. In an interview published in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, Walker said those required authorizations contributed to delays in the National Guard response the following day. According to the Washington Post, Walker “needed to wait for approval from [former Army secretary Ryan] McCarthy and acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller before dispatching troops, even though some 40 soldiers were on standby as a quick reaction force. That standby force had been assembled in case the few hundred Guard members deployed that day on the District’s streets to assist police with traffic control and crowd management needed help, Walker said. … Had he not been restricted, Walker said he could have dispatched members of the D.C. Guard sooner.”

The Day of the Rally
12:40 p.m.: The first protesters arrive at the Capitol, where Congress is meeting in joint session to certify Joe Biden’s election.

1.p.m.: Trump begins to wrap up his speech at the “Save America” rally at the Ellipse, a park near the White House. He tells rallygoers the presidential election was “stolen” by Democrats and the “fake news media,” and says that he’s going to walk with the crowd to the Capitol “to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones … the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.” But Trump does not accompany the rally attendees to the Capitol.

Sund says he already realizes “things aren’t going well,” that the protesters came with riot helmets, gas masks, pepper spray, fireworks, metal pipes and baseball bats. Sund calls Metropolitan Police Chief Contee, who sends 100 officers to the Capitol, with the first ones arriving within 10 minutes, according to Sund’s interview with the Washington Post.

1:09 p.m.: Sund tells Irving and Stenger by phone that the National Guard is needed. Sund says both men told him they would “run it up the chain.”

Update, Jan. 28: According to Pittman’s prepared statements, the Capitol Police Board – which at the time included Irving and Stenger — contributed to a delayed response by the National Guard on the day of the riot. Pittman stated that on the afternoon of Jan. 6 Sund “lobbied the Board for authorization to bring in the National Guard, but he was not granted authorization for over an hour.”

1:26 p.m.: Capitol Police order the evacuation of the Capitol complex.

1:34 p.m.: In a phone call with Secretary of the Army McCarthy, Bowser requests an “unspecified number of additional forces,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

1:49 p.m.: Sund, in a phone call with the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, Maj. Gen. William Walker, requests immediate assistance, and tells him to prepare to bring in the guard.

About 2 p.m.: Rioters breach the Capitol. In an interview with the Washington Post published on Jan. 10, Sund says, “If we would have had the National Guard we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive.”

2:10 p.m.: Sund says Irving calls him back with formal approval to send in the guard. But as the Washington Post noted, “Sund finally had approval to call the National Guard. But that would prove to be just the beginning of a bureaucratic nightmare to get soldiers on the scene.”

2:22 p.m.: The secretary of the Army, Bowser, D.C. police leadership and others “discuss the current situation and to request additional DCNG support,” according to the Pentagon timeline.

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

2:26 p.m.: Sund says he joins the conference call to plead for additional backup. “I am making urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund recalls saying. According to Sund and others on the call, the Washington Post reports, Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army staff, says he could not recommend that to his boss, McCarthy, because, “I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background.”

However, Piatt disputed that, saying in a statement: “I did not make the statement or any comments similar to what was attributed to me by Chief Sund in the Washington Post article — but would note that even in his telling he makes it clear that neither I, nor anyone else from [the Department of Defense], denied the deployment of requested personnel.”

2:30 p.m.: Miller, Milley and McCarthy meet to discuss the requests from Capitol Police and Bowser.

3 p.m.: Miller “determines all available forces of the DCNG are required to reinforce MPD [Metropolitan Police Department] and USCP positions to support efforts to reestablish security of the Capitol complex,” according to the Pentagon timeline. Simultaneously, the D.C. National Guard prepares to move 150 personnel to support Capitol Police, pending Miller’s approval.

3:04 p.m.: Miller “provides verbal approval of the full activation of DCNG (1100 total) in support of the MPD,” according to the Pentagon. In response, McCarthy immediately directs the D.C. National Guard “to initiate movement and full mobilization.” That means the D.C. guard members helping with traffic and crowd control are redeployed to support the Metropolitan Police Department at the Capitol, and the entire D.C. guard begins full mobilization.

3:19 p.m.: McCarthy explains in a phone call to Sen. Chuck Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Miller has already approved full DCNG mobilization. Miller later releases a statement saying, “Chairman Milley and I just spoke separately with the Vice President and with Speaker Pelosi, Leader McConnell, Senator Schumer and Representative Hoyer about the situation at the U.S. Capitol. We have fully activated the D.C. National Guard to assist federal and local law enforcement as they work to peacefully address the situation.” No mention is made of Trump’s involvement.

3:36 p.m.: White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweets: “At President @realDonaldTrump’s direction, the National Guard is on the way along with other federal protective services.”

4:17 p.m.: Trump releases a video on social media in which he states, in part, “We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side, but you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. … We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

5:02 p.m.: 154 members of the D.C. National Guard leave the D.C. Armory.

5:40 p.m.: The first National Guard personnel arrive at the Capitol. By then, most of the violence had ended.

6 p.m.: A citywide curfew goes into effect.

6:01 p.m.: Trump tweets, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”

6:14 p.m.: Capitol Police, Metropolitan Police and the D.C. National Guard “successfully establish perimeter on the west side of the U.S. Capitol,” the Pentagon timeline states.

8 p.m.: Capitol Police declare the Capitol building secure.

8:06 p.m.: Vice President Mike Pence reopens the Senate. “The Capitol is secured and the people’s work continues,” Pence says. “To those who wreaked havoc in our Capitol today, you did not win. Violence never wins. Freedom wins, and this is still the people’s house.” Pelosi brings the House back into session less than an hour later.

Early the next morning, Pence officially affirmed the election results and that Joe Biden won the presidency.

In total, five people died as a result of the riot, including Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who was “injured while physically engaging with protesters” and died as a result of those injuries the day after the riot, according to Capitol Police."
From: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/ti...nt-to-capitol/

Pelosi said no Guard? Bullshit.

Republicans’ Shaky, No Evidence Attempt to Cast Blame on Pelosi for Jan. 6
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/re...osi-for-jan-6/

[VerySkeptical]

Everything is coming out? Is that like the evidence of voter fraud is going to come out? Removed fences and barriers? Led people to the door?
Where did you get the "go on in" quote? You or some other lying liar made it up.
Trump called for the Guard to support the CITY police for traffic and Pelosi didn't have the authority or final say what the guard did. The Washington D.C. Nat. Guard is under the president's command.
You are completely full of shit. You are very good at saying what you're told to say. Too bad you don't check your facts before you blather.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
Everything IS COMING OUT.... Trump called for the
National Guard BEFORE the 6th - and Nancy Pelosi
said NO... She wanted people to get inside the
Capitol - and the used DOJ "agents" such-as
Ray Epps to do it.
Ray and the other agents REMOVED fencing and barriers
and led people to the door. "Go on in!"

... When I surely mentioned this weeks ago - weren't YOU
one o' the liberal lads who said I was lying about this?!

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... No offence, but you must be one o' the dumbest people
I've encountered on this site... Do you even READ what
you post? ... YOUR pieces there SHOW what I mentioned!

First, let's get THIS out of the way... Ray Epps didn't
commit a crime? WHY was he on the FBI's wanted list before?
And he's SEEN on camera AT the Capitol encouraging people
to enter the Capitol - why don't you link REVOLVER and
we'll see. ... Why are others - Right-wing protestours -
like Ray Epps all arrested and he's not? ... Reckon we'll
find out when the trials start.

So Ray IS NOT and WAS NOT a government agent and informant here?
Is that what you're claiming ?

... And as I stated, President Trump made the request for
National Guard troops BEFORE 6th Jan... Your piece states that.
CROWD CONTROL and traffic control - IF we trust General Milley.

Aint General Milley the bloke who masterminded the Afghan withdrawl?
Got a number of American troops BLOWN UP?! .. Blimey! He was!
Then surely claimed Biden wouldn't listen to him.

And WHY is it when you call me a liar - you mention "Trump requested
traffic control troops"... From your piece, we see that you
LEAVE OUT "Crowd Control" ... You just say "traffic control"
WHY did you do that - if not to distort the piece?!

You can't even tell the truth of the articles you show.

And is all you got for piece-work the NY Times and
"unnamed sources"?? ... oh, and CNN?

CNN has lied so many times - they've lost most of their audience.

Once again - Trump asked for the National Guard BEFORE 6th Jan.
THAT FACT is already known... Just like the FACT that
the Trump/Russia collusion narrative is bullshit.

You must have missed that.

#### Salty

[69in2it69]

Qdiots...going to ride the ship to the bottom, and still won't believe it's sinking.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Qdiots...going to ride the ship to the bottom, and still won't believe it's sinking.

He IS from the Southern Hemisphere, after all. There, ships don't sink, they just float off into space. Kinda like them wrong way turlets they got...

As for the the rest of the Qberts, I agree.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

[Salty Again]

...


... Ground control to Major Salty.

#### Salty

[VerySkeptical]

First off, you missed a bunch of information in the articles I included.
Especially where I
pointed out "revolver" is owned and run by a former Trump speech writer. Obviously biased.
You use the NYT as a source (along with revolver) to make your case and then try to claim the NYT aren't reliable. That's not dumb. That's stupid.
You don't understand why you would see "unnamed sources". You're a Trumpy. There is a lot you don't know.
Let's get this out of the way.
The National Guard Trump could call out isn't used at the Capitol. So it wouldn't be used for crowd control at the Capitol.
Epps was on the Jan. 6th wanted list. Not the FBI "criminal" most wanted list. If he was an informant for the FBI, why did they put him on their list? And so on.
Every one of the points I provided is covered by a link.


Don't talk shit about changing stories.
From the moron adding quotes that weren't on the video, to what was heard on the videos, to adding the word "felon" to the wanted list, to adding handing out weapons and taking down fences and barriers, those change the story. You claim reporting is bad because it comes from CNN. And of course you can't provide proof it's wrong.
You didn't know there was released video. None of it shows Epps committing a crime. It shows him informing, not urging. If you want to see urging, look at Trump's speech.
Above all else, he is innocent until proven guilty. People like you always forget that. Because you never learned that.

Just because you aren't smart enough to understand my post only means you aren't very smart.
I pointed out Epps was on video that had been shown. I pointed out you lied about what it shows him doing. It shows you lied about what he said. The link I supplied shows you lied about what list Epps was on
It showed Epps is a businessman in Arizona.

You believe a pathological liar (30,000 plus lies) and know nothing about the US Constitution. Needless to say you opinion (both uninformed and foreign), your lack of intelligence (you could have reading when not trimming dingleballs at the sheep station), and your lying and unwillingness to read for yourself all adds up to me showing you to be less than one of Austrailia's better exports.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... No offence, but you must be one o' the dumbest people
I've encountered on this site... Do you even READ what
you post? ... YOUR pieces there SHOW what I mentioned!

First, let's get THIS out of the way... Ray Epps didn't
commit a crime? WHY was he on the FBI's wanted list before?
And he's SEEN on camera AT the Capitol encouraging people
to enter the Capitol - why don't you link REVOLVER and
we'll see. ... Why are others - Right-wing protestours -
like Ray Epps all arrested and he's not? ... Reckon we'll
find out when the trials start.

So Ray IS NOT and WAS NOT a government agent and informant here?
Is that what you're claiming ?

... And as I stated, President Trump made the request for
National Guard troops BEFORE 6th Jan... Your piece states that.
CROWD CONTROL and traffic control - IF we trust General Milley.

Aint General Milley the bloke who masterminded the Afghan withdrawl?
Got a number of American troops BLOWN UP?! .. Blimey! He was!
Then surely claimed Biden wouldn't listen to him.

And WHY is it when you call me a liar - you mention "Trump requested
traffic control troops"... From your piece, we see that you
LEAVE OUT "Crowd Control" ... You just say "traffic control"
WHY did you do that - if not to distort the piece?!

You can't even tell the truth of the articles you show.

And is all you got for piece-work the NY Times and
"unnamed sources"?? ... oh, and CNN?

CNN has lied so many times - they've lost most of their audience.

Once again - Trump asked for the National Guard BEFORE 6th Jan.
THAT FACT is already known... Just like the FACT that
the Trump/Russia collusion narrative is bullshit.

You must have missed that.

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

Yow!

[Salty Again]

... Let me make this clear to you.

Ray Epps was working as a government agent during the
6th January protest - The FBI/DOJ will be admitting
this - much the same way they admitted that the DID
spy on Trump after first lying about it - as did OBama.

They are caught - like rats in a trap - their video
appearance in front of Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley
surely shows us that.

The e-mails will tell the tale.
I surely hope you're still here when they do.

Please don't run-off like so many of the other
liberal lads do when the Dems shit inside their-own bed.

#### Salty

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

...

Please don't run-off like so many of the other
liberal lads do when the Dems shit inside their-own bed.

#### Salty

libs do like to roll in it!