California shooter motivation; because he couldnt get laid

[JohnnyCap]

This is another maximum wage issue. Fuckers with too much money, and as a result very little if the intestinal fortitude to deal with real life. I'd blame bmw before I'd blame a doctor. But big pharma was probably a culprit. What meds was the kid on?

We certainly can't lock him up because he might do something. That would be immoral, and thwart Mother Nature's natural selection.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

We certainly can't lock him up because he might do something. That would be immoral, and thwart Mother Nature's natural selection.

I am serious in my post here, and I am not intending to disagree with yours. This is exactly the problem: if we do not believe in preemptive lock-up, and don't believe in laws to prevent parents from spoiling kids, and don't believe in draconian police state screenings, etc., then is this the inevitable cost? I don't know. If it is, where are we as a society willing to exist? I know I don't like any of the extremes but I don't have a good answer to accepting deaths like this as the cost of freedom. I would like to hear some serious thoughts of others.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Old-T

I am serious in my post here, and I am not intending to disagree with yours. This is exactly the problem: if we do not believe in preemptive lock-up, and don't believe in laws to prevent parents from spoiling kids, and don't believe in draconian police state screenings, etc., then is this the inevitable cost? I don't know. If it is, where are we as a society willing to exist? I know I don't like any of the extremes but I don't have a good answer to accepting deaths like this as the cost of freedom. I would like to hear some serious thoughts of others.

I do not think it is preventable. We need to learn to accept the consequences and know the odds are in our favor. We learned to live with the idea of nuclear destruction, didn't we?
Cars are dangerous, floods are dangerous, guns are dangerous,etc. It is a truly fucked up world we live in, and we cannot perfect it.
"Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" is a conflation of two biblical sayings, Ecclesiastes 8:15, ‘Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry’, and Isaiah 22:13, ‘Let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.’ There are a number of humorous variants. - I copied that from some website.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

You appear to be a hopeless anti-Semite - so fuck off.

You seem to be a brainless asshole with your simple comments fuck off yourself.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

I do not think it is preventable. We need to learn to accept the consequences and know the odds are in our favor. We learned to live with the idea of nuclear destruction, didn't we?
Cars are dangerous, floods are dangerous, guns are dangerous,etc. It is a truly fucked up world we live in, and we cannot perfect it.
"Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die" is a conflation of two biblical sayings, Ecclesiastes 8:15, ‘Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry’, and Isaiah 22:13, ‘Let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.’ There are a number of humorous variants. - I copied that from some website.

I believe I agree with you. I know it sounds heartless, but I believe there is a limit to how much we can or should prevent atrocities (and obviously some atrocities are worse than others). I would not expect an entire hospital to focus for a week on saving one patient at the expense of hundreds of others left in pain and illness. What that limit is very personal and we will never get complete agreement, but I wish--more than a dozen years after 9/11--that we would have the discussion.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You seem to be a brainless asshole with your simple comments fuck off yourself.

I don't think his comments were at all inappropriate here.

[i'va biggen]

He told me to fuck off, I told him to fuck off we are even'