Ladies Who Require a Hobbyist's Real Life Information

[WTF]

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

. (No one should revel in a false sense of security—.

SECURITY/SAFETY:

All security in this arena lends itself to a false sense of security as far as safety goes. Be like me guaranteeing against a meteor shower hitting planet earth because I did a background check on someone.

But there are things you can do to keep from being the lowest hanging fruit from the nuts out there. I suspect this is actually what the subject is.

LE:
There is one thing one can do but not to many ladies are will to do it in the area of LE when meeting a client for the first time.

[Laurentius]

Originally Posted by WTF

There is one thing one can do but not to many ladies are will to do it in the area of LE when meeting a client for the first time.

Don't keep us in suspense ... what is it?

[Laurentius]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

I didn't know that you HAD to take off your pants.

But it is so much more fun when you do!

[pjorourke]

Not necessarily. At least not the first time.

[John Bull]

WTF - You're late to this parade.

[pjorourke]

Originally Posted by John Bull

WTF - You're late to this parade.

Thats the story of his life.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by John Bull

WTF - You're late to this parade.

Originally Posted by pjorourke

Thats the story of his life.

LOL....can't argue with either of ya 'bout that!

Originally Posted by Laurentius

Don't keep us in suspense ... what is it?

You do the first date with the possibility of not getting paid. PM me if you want details.

[AveryMoore]

Originally Posted by WTF

You do the first date with the possibility of not getting paid. PM me if you want details.

If you're referring to being intimate with a client without asking for money up front, that's really no guarantee that the man isn't LE. There have been a few cases thrown out of court because the officer had sex with the escort, but having the case dismissed is cold comfort for a woman who's already been through the ordeal (had her name in the local paper/public registry, right?) Of course, you may have something else in mind...

I'm always appalled by the amount of misinformation circulating when it comes to cops. Like the old "if I ask you if you're a cop, you have to tell me the truth!" Or another that I find half howling funny, half sad: the disclaimer on the entry page of the website stating something to the effect of "law enforcement is not allowed to view this site!" Or "by entering this site, you agree that you're not associated with law enforcement." Wouldn't that be a great trick for everyone cooking meth and growing weed, a little sign posted on their front door saying "cops not welcome?"

[TxBrandy]

There is never a guarantee. Using a condom when having sex is still no guarantee from STD's but it's safer and less likely to occur.

Is the same true of the business aspect being taken care of after an appointment? Yes, I've heard of LE having full service before a bust but I believe this is less likely to occur and they will try and get you before doing that (remember their fellow officers are either listening in or watching).

Course then you run the risk of being ripped off....

[pjorourke]

I'd guestimate that about 80% of the women I've scene, never asked for the envelope as we started our "meeting". It was just assumed that it was there, and it was, and they tended to it when things were done.

[slider22]

Bottom Line.

Their is no definite answer to this issue. As for me personally I would not consider giving my real name and info to a provider I just met. As for many hobbyist on here I feel I have too much to lose, and I am looking after my better interest. On the same token I understand why a provider might want the information for safety reasons and I think that the provider should do all that is necessary to insure her safety. If what a provider asks for and what I am willing to provide is not the same than I guess we will be at an impasse and wont see each other.

I do think that the best solution is the reference check system with known providers and hobbyist they have seen. In the case of a new hobbyist, it might take some different measures to get their foot in the door. Maybe meeting this person first at a public place and get feel for them, or maybe even providing some RL info up front just to get started.
In the end, belonging to sites like this and participating is one of the best things you can do to ensure some safety.

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

I'd guestimate that about 80% of the women I've scene, never asked for the envelope as we started our "meeting". It was just assumed that it was there, and it was, and they tended to it when things were done.

I can't ever remember asking for the envelope up front. Knowing my bluntness it would probably come out as "gimme my money". Wouldn't that make a great first impression?

Luckily I have been stiffed only once. A dinner date no less. That no good cheating, lying, sonofab*^#h!






Did I mentioned that he made it up to me in a way that I could have never imagined?

[Katy Alexander]

Originally Posted by pjorourke

I'd guestimate that about 80% of the women I've scene, never asked for the envelope as we started our "meeting". It was just assumed that it was there, and it was, and they tended to it when things were done.

I have always preferred to be paid after.Not because of LE I assume that if LE is truly that bored they will probably arrest me just for showing up. I do prefer after because I figure that my client is more likely to speak up if he is not happy about something while there is still time for me to fix it.

With only one early exception .I have never been robbed , or shorted.My only problem is a couple of times they over paid, and I had no idea until I was
already at home.In those situations I just offered to credit them the difference for their next visit.( A sneaky way of encouraging repeats lol.)

Edit to add...., Ansley this is so funny, I had no idea that we were saying nearly the exact same thing at the same time.

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by Becky

Edit to add...., Ansley this is so funny, I had no idea that we were saying nearly the exact same thing at the same time.

Well you know what they say about great minds!
And PJ there is no need to follow this post with a smart ass remark.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

If you're referring to being intimate with a client without asking for money up front, that's really no guarantee that the man isn't LE. There have been a few cases thrown out of court because the officer had sex with the escort, but having the case dismissed is cold comfort for a woman who's already been through the ordeal (had her name in the local paper/public registry, right?) Of course, you may have something else in mind...

There is no guarantee from never being arrested from a rotten cop. Luckily the vast majority are not. But what we are talking about were safeguards.
We are talking about being in a job that is illegal. Therefore the only sure fire way NOT to get arrested is to retire. But then again a rotten cop could still arrest you for prostitution.
For prostitution to happen an AGREEMENT to exchange services for goods needs to have transpired. No sex needs to have taken place. I challenge you to find a department that condones their officers having sex with ladies.
What I was addressing was your point to a "False Sense of Security". I think we can agree that unless you personally know someone or can trust a provider that vouches for a client that anything further is in fact a false sense of security from being arrested.
Below is what one woman did to protect herself from being falsely accused. She taped the conversation. Do with it what you will.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6892173.html
A Houston Police Department vice officer appeared in court this morning after being arrested during the weekend on two charges of tampering with a government record in connection with a prostitution arrest.
Samuel Anthony Roccaforte, 57, is accused of arresting a woman for prostitution and filing a false police record about what the 45-year-old said in her bedroom.
The woman, whose prostitution charges have been dropped, protested being arrested for offering sex in exchange for money.
On tape, the officer can be heard saying, “Well, you did, you know you did, I know you did. There's no audio, there's no video. It's gonna be my word against yours and who do you think they're going to believe?” according to court records

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

I'm always appalled by the amount of misinformation circulating when it comes to cops. Like the old "if I ask you if you're a cop, you have to tell me the truth!" Or another that I find half howling funny, half sad: the disclaimer on the entry page of the website stating something to the effect of "law enforcement is not allowed to view this site!" Or "by entering this site, you agree that you're not associated with law enforcement." Wouldn't that be a great trick for everyone cooking meth and growing weed, a little sign posted on their front door saying "cops not welcome?"

Agreed and that is why I agreed with your statement about having a false sense of security being the worst thing one can have. Below you will see how having a DL means nothing about a client being who he says he is. If any ladies think that a vice officer can not also have fake jobs with what appear to be perfectly good phone numbers and references.......then we are again back to that false sense of security. And that brings us back to what I think is the best safeguard. Which is do not discuss money or activities, again read what the lady in the above link protected herself by doing.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/24244117/detail.html
Alias licenses are issued in a fictitious name, allowing officers in undercover investigations to possess a valid Texas driver's license using a phony name and address. The Texas Transportation Code, Section 521.452, spells out how the Texas Department of Public Safety can issue so-called "alias driver's licenses" for any officer who is working on undercover investigations. It requires a written letter from the police department that employs the officer

Originally Posted by pjorourke

I'd guestimate that about 80% of the women I've scene, never asked for the envelope as we started our "meeting". It was just assumed that it was there, and it was, and they tended to it when things were done.

Well there you go folks, 90% the women in North America and half in Europe are already employing the best defense against LE!

Originally Posted by slider22

In the end, belonging to sites like this and participating is one of the best things you can do to ensure some safety.

Really? How soon we forget!

http://www.kens5.com/news/Houston-cops-crash-Christmas-party-for-hookers-johns-79400197.html



Ans, you and Becky get a room!