The Number One Reason Not To See A Provider

[malwoody]

Originally Posted by catnipdipper

So a fat and ugly guy with a few bucks can buy some love, that as a civilian he never could.

Then these same guys can call a female someone fat and ugly and feel ok about it?

He who has the coin gets to choose. You won't catch me making rude comments about a girls appearence and I don't respect anyone who does but I will defend his right to make said comments.

[catnipdipper]

Mal it just galls me when it gets to be a commodity deal like it can be bought off a shelf and demeaned by the demented.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

Malwoody,

You know, I had a reply all typed out, but, I had a moment of clarity and figured "Meh, it isn't worth it" (specifically, it was addressing those gentlemen that are outspoken against any form of screening). And, it really isn't worth it . . . so screw it, let them be low hanging fruit to be picked off (as Juan would have said).

I do appreciate that you have backed off making a date with a lady that doesn't screen, and I would hope many gentlemen would follow your fine example.

Stay safe!

Best,

- Jackie

This seems to conflict with the previous Statement

"Allie,

I believe that many gentlemen would want an option in the poll along the lines of "screening / verification was / is too intrusive" or "Escort / provider requires too much personal info".

Just a thought,

Kisses,

- Jackie

Jackie and I have had a conflict over screening. However, my objection is the same as hers:

"screening / verification was / is too intrusive" or "Escort / provider requires too much personal info"

How does one learn if it is safe to meet this person. The girls are letting a new person into their lives and the possibility of being harmed is highly possible. They need some means of checking to be safe. But too much checking becomes a means for personal intrusion into one's personal life.

The guys are going to meet someone for the first time, and the possibility of being harmed, robbed, etc. is also highly possible, especially after repeatedly meeting new people.

But getting to know people by various means, like here, is a means for self preservation.


To form long term relations we all share more of ourselves with others. I have learns more than I need to know, or want to know, about some of my friends personal life. Ladies have volunteered information about children and families with me that I consider to be private - never to be repeated to anyone.

Likewise: request from a provider that I have never met for any of the following is considered to be both intrusive and dangerous:

1. My real name
2. My place of employment
3. My customers
4. The names of my children
5. The ages of my children
6. The organizations I belong to
7. The address of my residence
8. Most of my phone numbers.

I do understand computer security and how information is gathered.
No, you can't have a little information for your files.
Yes, you can talk to me, or meet for coffee, prior to ???.
Yes, we both can listen to the little voice in our head and walk away if either of us have any hint of a problem.

Play safe my friends.

JR

[Guest102513-1]

Surely no provider would REQUEST....or even want, points #3, 4, 5,6 or 7 above?????

[Allie_Kat]

I've never heard of anyone screening that tightly...
If someone won't give me an e-mail address, a phone number or provider references, then it's a no go.

[Guest121212]

I won't discuss any specifics of my screening process online and no Escort or provider ever should . . . suffice it to say that I also have never heard of anyone wanting so much information from a potential client and to infer that I or anyone else would ask for so much information is ludicrous. I will say that I DO insist on knowing every potential client's real name (as an OVERWHELMING number of ladies do - it is a requirement, by the way, of P411, the safest and most trusted online screening service available to a working professional), and if that is a problem for a potential client, I will politely decline and they move along . . . there are plenty of ladies that don't have the requirement and a myriad of gentlemen that comply (and no client information has ever been compromised by me, EVER). But, yes, JR does refuse to give his real name (which is his choice), and he has somewhat of a infatuation for posts that seem targeted towards me, Elena and a few select others . . . As DD has said in the past when JR gets a burr up his ass, I am sure it is just a matter of time before he pulls the dead wife card (of which there are three, apparently). JR, suffice it to say that I have many professional gentlemen as clients, they have all completed my screening successfully and not one of them has felt it too intrusive - also, I have never breached protocol and revealed a client's personal information to anyone, at anytime. My comment to Allie was not a reflection on my own process, but an observation in general.

Happy Holidays, JR. Play safe.

- Jackie

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

I won't discuss any specifics of my screening process online and no Escort or provider ever should..... suffice it to say that I also have never heard of anyone wanting so much information from a potential client and to infer that I or anyone else would ask for so much information is ludicrous. ................... But, yes, JR does refuse to give his real name (which is his choice),...................... .....

Happy Holidays, JR. Play safe.

- Jackie

I don't know about anyone else, I just know that once I obtain the basic information about someone: real name, real phone number. I can find out quickly everything else: children, residence, etc. I don't even need the place of employment, but it makes it a little faster; thank you 411.

You don't have to know a name at all. One can work backward from a license plate in a few seconds, with the proper computer connection. As you have said in one response to me; there have been no problems at meet and greet even though the police are around and even in the parking lot. Get real, the cops are out there taking down license plate numbers and calling them in. The computers kick in and the cops know everything about the clients visiting the "meet and greet". Just because they haven't made arrests, doesn't mean that they are not gathering information for future use. Information never goes away, it is forever. Today, in the KC area, there are police cars equipped with digital camera that capture license numbers automatically, enter them in the data base automatically, and search the files without the input of a human. When a hit is made, an alarm sounds for the human to take action. Perhaps you have seen the police cars with cameras pointing forward and sideway off both sides of the trunk. This enables the car to drive down the street and scan a lot of vehicles in a hurry.

I don't know any of the girls who publicly uses her real name. I do know the real names of several ladies who have become friends.

Sorry, no real names until we become friends. I do feel flattered that some people have volunteered such information. It says I can be trusted. Providers have given me the chance to use 411 for free. Thank you, but no thank you. There are other ways a person can confirm that JRLawrence is OK, even though the real guy died in Nam.

It goes to the point: I don't want anyone in the hobby knowing the names of my daughters. No client, or provider, should know real name or anything else personal. Jackie, none of your clients should know the names of your son, or your real name. You deserve the protection. So do your clients.

MY first contact with you was my email about my concern about the old client lists that Dennis might have left. He had a lot of client information that could have been a danger to many.

Thank you for the way you addressed the matter.

In the military we addressed security on a basis of the "need to know."

If a girl, or a guy, thinks they "need to know" too much; my answer is goodby.


I still appreciate you Jackie. You know your area of expertise, and I know mine.

JR

[dirty dog]

You know JR no one gives a flip about how they did it in the military, jesus how did the world survive until the Military had it all figured out for us. There is a real simple solution to this problem of screening, if you dont want to screen dont, you are free to choose anyone else you want to. You just have to constantly try and attack certain members of this board why is that, you like your ladies more compliant, dont like em when they have a thought or comment, you have become my project for 2012. Just like Gault, I am going to make you a special project.

[Guest121212]

JR, there's no need for you or anyone to be concerned with the Plaza database, as I said. As for the rest of it, well . . . Merry Christmas, you made DD's naughty list.

- Jackie

[ElumEno]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

JR, there's no need for you or anyone to be concerned with the Plaza database, as I said. As for the rest of it, well . . . Merry Christmas, you made DD's naughty list.

- Jackie

Glad I'm not on DD's naughty list! (yet)

But on that note, I would Love to be on Jackie's naughty list! (come on 2012)

As for the screening - P411 is the best money I have spent so far..
And I love the tracking feature.. You can really tell the ladies from the girls when they check out your profile even if not asking for a date..
and yes ladies part of my screening is seeing if you checked my profile..
if you tell me I've passed your screening but have not even looked at my P411 profile, it just makes me wonder what screening I passed.. JS

PS- I know some ladies that are on here will contact the ladies in your reviews to see if you check out...

[Racerunner]

One word: DRAMA.

I go to a provider for some R and R. I want to unwind in de-stress, and that's not going to happen when there's provider drama. All of us have At least some difficulties in our life, but we also know that we can't let it intrude upon or adversely affect our work. Being as drama-free as possible is probably my first criteria.

After that, and generally in this order although a few could be switched around it would be:

• Being indiscreet
• Being unsafe/imprudent
• Lacking enthusiasm or interest
• Being unreliable and/or poor communication
• No BBBJ
• A laundry list of "no's"; if I wanted that, I'd stay home!
• No kissing
• Just not my type physically, though I have a pretty broad range here if everything above this on this list has been met.

[lisa.lisa0302]

Nice poll. Good job.

Keeps us on our toes. Lol :-)

Seems alot of the men have something in common. They want

Real pictures and a bbbj.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by dirty dog

You know JR no one gives a flip about how they did it in the military, jesus how did the world survive until the Military had it all figured out for us. There is a real simple solution to this problem of screening, if you dont want to screen dont, you are free to choose anyone else you want to. You just have to constantly try and attack certain members of this board why is that, you like your ladies more compliant, dont like em when they have a thought or comment, you have become my project for 2012. Just like Gault, I am going to make you a special project.

Thank you DD; But I don't want to change my handle like Gault because we have a discussion. Agree with me or disagree with me, both are OK. I do have a fault: I believe that there are certain things that I know that most others do not know, such as the scanning capability of certain police cars into the data base.

Jackie and MsEllen may choose to ignore the intelligence gathering capability of the modern police department which has been taught to them by the military or others.

I am not LE, but I was in the military and selected by a large defense contractor for employment prior to my discharge. The world has been, for the most part, controlled by the military and/or police for as long as civilization has existed. It doesn't matter if we like the situation; it is as it is.

The idea that I am trying to get across is that, if possible, we should strive to stay out of their field of observation because every contact with an individual is recorded.

The last time I was stopped by LE I smiled and said "Yes, Sir". I respect the officers position. Why invite trouble? It is the system, not the individual officer that I am discussing here.

I do screen, just not in the same way that others do. I appreciate UTR women for my contacts. They are harder to find, but the wait is worth it.

Seriously, I like both Jackie and MsEllen (never met either); I happen to differ with both of them because I believe that 411 could cascade into a full knowledge about any individual who used their service. Why risk the consequences; there are other methods of screening. This discussion is about why one would reject a provider. I believe that screening is necessary, but the method of screening used is a personal reason for rejection.

Whatever method of screening one uses is a personal preference. In this age of instant information we all should avoid providing any information that we do not want published for everyone else to see.

For everyone, listen to the little small voice in your head. Ladies, it is OK to pass up a client, for any reason - no matter how small (joke intended). Guys, listen to your big head, not your little head.

This is a case where we should listen to our intuition first rather than be regretful later and say: I knew there was something wrong, but I went ahead anyway.

Better to be safe than sorry.

Play safe my friends,

JR

[dirty dog]

My beef with you has nothing to do with anything you have written in this thread, its the constant attacks and belittlement you display towards certain providers, who for business purposes have to put up with your crap. Me, personally if I post on this board or not will not cause me one moment of concern. Your constant attacks on Ms Elena have grown tiresome same for Jackie, you say that you like them but many of your attacks have had nothing to do with the topic in the post so I find this hard to believe. If you would like for us to get along than I will ask just once that you refrain from your sarcastic backhanded slaps on these two and other providers. If you disagree with them on the topic of the post then feel free to disagree, but when you mix those types of responses in with your backhanded insult posts you get to a point were you cant tell them apart. Please dont try and insult my intellegence and deny that of which I speak.

[MsElena]

JR,

Take your backhanded compliments or whatever you want to call them and shove them directly up your ass.

You don't know how I screen nor do you know how any other ladies screen unless you've seen them.

You constantly talk out of your ass. I'm gonna start calling you Mr. Hankey the Christmas Pooh.