Green Energy versus Permian Basin Blues and fossil fuels

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by WTF

Why do you think China is working so hard on green energy? Because they know how big a problem pollution is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rene...nergy_in_China

That is why we should have signed on to the TPP and Paris Climate deals.

To moniter other polluting countries , not so we can pollute more.

If I were dictator, I definitely would have signed onto TPP. I don't know much about Paris Climate, but suspect exiting was stupid. Our increased reliance on natural gas versus coal has been drastically reducing our carbon emissions, so maybe we would have met our agreed goals anyway. And by exiting we lost a seat at the table. In any event, there was no enforcement mechanism for the Paris accord, so if you didn't comply there was really no downside. Probably getting out of it was done mostly for domestic political purposes.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If I were dictator, I definitely would have signed onto TPP. I don't know much about Paris Climate, but suspect exiting was stupid. Our increased reliance on natural gas versus coal has been drastically reducing our carbon emissions, so maybe we would have met our agreed goals anyway. And by exiting we lost a seat at the table. In any event, there was no enforcement mechanism for the Paris accord, so if you didn't comply there was really no downside. Probably getting out of it was done mostly for political purposes.

Of course getting out of it was largely political, just like the original getting into it with the short stick for the USA funding massive portions of it's goals.

I would certainly prefer to pull out of the bad deal, than be perceived as a country not meeting it's agreed to obligations. But if that's how you want to roll by saying no enforcement, and reneging then have at it.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccielover

I would certainly prefer to pull out of the bad deal, than be perceived as a country not meeting it's agreed to obligations. But if that's how you want to roll by saying no enforcement, and reneging then have at it.

What can I say, I long for the days of Henry Kissinger and realpolitik. And if hypothetically if I'm dictator then I call the shots.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I think that was what the Paris Climate Accord was addressing.

If not, it sure shoulda been.

For the U.S. to unilaterally bear the economic costs of compliance while China, et al, were given a pass was bullshit.

Originally Posted by eccielover

Of course getting out of it was largely political, just like the original getting into it with the short stick for the USA funding massive portions of it's goals.

I would certainly prefer to pull out of the bad deal, than be perceived as a country not meeting it's agreed to obligations. But if that's how you want to roll by saying no enforcement, and reneging then have at it.

+1

[bamscram]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

For the U.S. to unilaterally bear the economic costs of compliance while China, et al, were given a pass was bullshit.





+1

The USA once led by example, not follow.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bamscram

The USA once led by example, not follow.

The U.S. has met the goals of the Paris agreement without belonging to it. Put that fact in your hat and smoke it.

Bloomberg: U.S. Meeting Paris Climate Goals Without Being Part of the Agreement

December 30, 2018 10:45 am

Former New York City Mayor and possible 2020 candidate Michael Bloomberg said Sunday that the United States is meeting the goals of Paris Climate Accords despite withdrawing from the agreement.

(Free Beacon)

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by bamscram

The USA once led by example, not follow.

And I think in this instance we are leading again by example. Pull out of a bullshit agreement rather than fund and cow tow to the rest of the world.

Pulling out is certainly a powerful lead.

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by WTF

we Libertarians

YEAH RIGHT!!

[Yssup Rider]

Pulling out is what Trump’s old man should have done.

[rexdutchman]

Yeah now the dallas mayor is jumping on board IDOICY , he should fix the pot holes

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

For the U.S. to unilaterally bear the economic costs of compliance while China, et al, were given a pass was bullshit.

We are still in it Paris Climate Accord....can not leave until 2020.

It was a no brainer to stay in. But we did not.

TPP was not the most worker friendly pact.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

We are still in it Paris Climate Accord....can not leave until 2019.

It was a no brainer to stay in. But we did not.

TPP was not the most worker friendly pact.

FTFY

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

FTFY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/


Says here a fay after the presidential elections in November 2020

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

https://www.washingtonpost.com/


Says here a fay after the presidential elections in November 2020

Trump has already told them the U.S. is withdrawing, and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

[Yssup Rider]

Perhaps there’s a damned thing WE can do about it.

And what does this have to do with fracking the Permian Basin, IBH?

You’re off topic again.

Nobody’s interested in another pissing match with a broken record, but Trump’s authority is not absolute and you are off topic.