Question about Greek for the providers....

[Cpalmson]

Originally Posted by elegantbelinda

i would have to say that i dont like a guy to flat out ask for it because it does ruin the "not knowing what is going to happen" factor. I like to find out the size of the ship i will be riding on and how gently it is manuevered and how well the chemistry is. if it is the type of ride i like, then i like to take that person by surprise and take hold of the reign myself, so to speak. im not say i dont love it (which i do) i just dont like it to be something that is expected...

I actually love that approach and would hope other providers copy it. I can see where that mystery would work with a lot of clients. On the other hand, I haven't experienced Greek, so I'm looking for the "sure thing" when it comes to a provider. When I'm experienced and the novelty factor has worn off, it would definitely be a welcome surprise for the provider to take the reigns and lead me on a trip to the Greek Isles

[MistressOlympia]

I think once you're together and getting to know each other it's wise to be honest about what you want. Why see a provider if you're going to have the same unfulfilling experience you could have for free with a woman from a bar?

I appreciate people who see our time together as a chance to be honest about the things they want, makes things funner. People have way too many hangups about sex.

[China Doll]

Or hangups about getting arrested.

[MistressOlympia]

Originally Posted by China Doll

Or hangups about getting arrested.

Just hangups all around!

[Hugbuddy]

In regards to the OP's opening question, there is one method that I use to determine if a provider includes "Greek" or other activities, or which providers in your area or a location you'll be traveling to provide certain activities, and that's P411. Of course, if the provider is not a P411 member it's "moot", but if they are, this works pretty well.

Use the Advanced search feature on P411, pick your city or area, then simply check the box(s) in the "Select Activities below which are never offered in exchange for money", then click "Search" and only the providers that offer the particular "service" your seeking will appear!! You can refine your search however you choose which is helpful if you are looking only for a specific activity!!

In regards to the subject of GFE, what really defines it "etc", I think it varies from person to person, from provider to provider and from client to client! I have my own thoughts as to what a GFE provider is and it has nothing to do with activities listed on a menu. To me (IMHO), it is more about attitude (before, during & after the date) and how smoothly we "click" on all levels and very little to do with a specific menu item being available or not!! I know that what I look for one time can be (and usually is) slightly different than what I look for the next time (I think that's called variety, haha) and the level of the GFE experience can and usually does vary, and for me, that's OK!! For another client, it may not be!!

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Hugbuddy

Use the Advanced search feature on P411, pick your city or area, then simply check the box(s) in the "Select Activities below which are never offered in exchange for money", then click "Search" and only the providers that offer the particular "service" your seeking will appear!! You can refine your search however you choose which is helpful if you are looking only for a specific activity!!

This is a great feature that P411 has added!!! However, not all providers have chosen to define their interests, so your search is not as all inclusive as you might think.

I'm not knocking those providers who haven't defined this area; I'm sure they have very good reasons for not doing so.

[gimme_that]

That search function menu can be abused to. It validates nothing unless you ask. But even then the provider could lie.

Case in point I saw a provider who said she offered asian cowgirl and k9 positions in her mpcfs. Then at the beginning of the session after the donation passed hands, she said she could only do mish activities and nothing on top. A type of lie I didnt really enjoy. lol

I trust a review written by a hobbyist before that field. Ladies can just check all the boxes that apply so they can be found in a search. Always wiggle room for the okie doke.

[Maggie McNeill]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

That search function menu can be abused to. It validates nothing unless you ask. But even then the provider could lie.

Case in point I saw a provider who said she offered asian cowgirl and k9 positions in her mpcfs. Then at the beginning of the session after the donation passed hands, she said she could only do mish activities and nothing on top. A type of lie I didnt really enjoy. lol

I trust a review written by a hobbyist before that field. Ladies can just check all the boxes that apply so they can be found in a search. Always wiggle room for the okie doke.

Wow, that's sleazy. I will never understand why people insist of making their lives more difficult and stressful by lying like that. If I don't offer something a guy wants, what difference does it make if he finds my profile? Even if a provider was totally without ethics, such shenanigans are a quick way to get bad reviews.

[stargirl3355]

as soon as you pass screening you can ask anything you want. More than likely if the girl doesnt list it anywhere or its not on a review she does not offer it. More than likely it will be a bit more considering most girls dont offer it and some that do may not enjoy it. I personally love it and but have realised lately no one was up to paying the price for it so... hell why not lower it. For me its just as fun. But yes as long as you pass screening most girls most likely wont have a problem with you asking. If you wait to ask during a session be sure to bring your own lube. It is a must with greek! xoxox good luck!

[burkalini]

Originally Posted by stargirl3355

as soon as you pass screening you can ask anything you want. More than likely if the girl doesnt list it anywhere or its not on a review she does not offer it. More than likely it will be a bit more considering most girls dont offer it and some that do may not enjoy it. I personally love it and but have realised lately no one was up to paying the price for it so... hell why not lower it. For me its just as fun. But yes as long as you pass screening most girls most likely wont have a problem with you asking. If you wait to ask during a session be sure to bring your own lube. It is a must with greek! xoxox good luck!

If the provider doesn't know that greek is likely to happen she might not prepare for it. That's an accident waiting to happen which is not very sexy. I think no matter what you should know b4 you arrive if the islands are going to be hit or not. You can get excited about it and she can prepare.

[MajorHands]

Originally Posted by China Doll

Not for the guys in Upstate NY. Many gentlemen have referred to me as "the definition of GFE" or a "true GFE," but I do not offer BBBJ. I hate it when the experience I provide is labeled based on a list of menu items; must you really reduce us to that?

In one of my reviews of a visit with China, I said she "Transcended GFE" and after about a half dozen visits overall, I stand by that assessment. For someone whose physical delights are exquisite, it says quite a lot that, for me, China's most compelling quality as a provider is the totality of her as a person. She's a remarkable woman.

I suppose this will come across as white knighting although I don't think China needs defending here...my intent was simply to corroborate her assertion that many of us who have seen her overwhelmingly consider her to be a GFE provider.

I'd like to think that anyone with a girlfriend would value the whole person over any particular sexual activity...and if you think about it, there are plenty of GFs who are very selective about which activities they will engage in before marriage. I get and am sympathetic to those for whom a specific set of acts not traditionally offered by "old school" providers equates to GFE. Still, I think they might miss the possibility of something special by sticking with rigid definitions.

As for the original question of this thread (so as to not be entirely in hi-jack mode)...I think a reasonable approach when first meeting a provider is to get some sense of the things she enjoys, rather than going for some inventory of the "menu". For me, as good as Greek might feel, I rather pass if the provider didn't enjoy it.

You may want to consider some very careful exploratory touching (light finger grazes or a bit of roaming during DATY) in the vicinity to see if she responds...and it's a good idea to check in when you are exploring new territory with "is this okay?", "or does this feel good?" Sometimes the body can build to a decision that the mind hadn't even considered ahead of time. Just remember to keep everything respectful and if you find yourself heading down a road that is closed, be ready to cheerfully detour somewhere else.

[Guest071711]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA

Originally Posted by catnipdipper

I am not a provider but if you brought that up to me I would not see you as I would wonder where that thing had been.

Once a year during my annual physical is enough for me.