Touched by Obamacare and not in a good way

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

Once again you missed my point....JD, the Ayn Rand loving type two dickhead is a taker.


If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
Ayn Rand

I would add the word "Toxic" in front of altruism, because it does get taken too far in many cases.I would certainly limit our generosity to illegal economic immigrants from the south, who take away American jobs and create homelessness in the US as a result.

[JD Barleycorn]

What we have from WTF is that he doesn't understand what Ayn Rand wrote. She never said anything about ending charity or altruism. Her thing was the virtue of selfishness. You do things for YOUR own reasons and not someone else's. That government should not be in a position to force your to do things that you don't want to do especially if it is for the common good. However, if you choose to do good, to be a doctor, to be a researcher looking for the cure and it is your desire Rand is good with that. Your choice of Rand to be a scapegoat is interesting even if you got it wrong. I would have chosen George Bernard Shaw the great progressive, socialist. He wanted people to appear before a board every three years and justify your existence. If you could not to the satisfaction of the board....then you were humanely put down.
Shaw is the poster child of Obamacare.

I would also advise that you worry about yourself. Diabetes is becoming an epidemic and there is a good chance that you may contract it.....if you already haven't.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I would also advise that you worry about yourself. Diabetes is becoming an epidemic and there is a good chance that you may contract it.....if you already haven't.

I just did some research on Type 2 diabetes. About 25% of people in my age group have diagnosed/undiagnosed diabetes. As with many other health issues, family history plays a large part in determining who will or will not contract diabetes. Other factors can be controlled. Weight is the main controllable factor. Exercise. Smoking. Stress. Diet. Sleep patterns. I would say my only high risk factor is diet. Oh well.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DSK

I would add the word "Toxic" in front of altruism, because it does get taken too far in many cases.I would certainly limit our generosity to illegal economic immigrants from the south, who take away American jobs and create homelessness in the US as a result.

You do not even understand what Ayn Rand wrote. She says to reject altruism



If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
Ayn Rand

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

What we have from WTF is that he doesn't understand what Ayn Rand wrote. She never said anything about ending charity or altruism. Her thing was the virtue of selfishness. You do things for YOUR own reasons and not someone else's. That government should not be in a position to force your to do things that you don't want to do especially if it is for the common good. However, if you choose to do good, to be a doctor, to be a researcher looking for the cure and it is your desire Rand is good with that. Your choice of Rand to be a scapegoat is interesting even if you got it wrong. I would have chosen George Bernard Shaw the great progressive, socialist. He wanted people to appear before a board every three years and justify your existence. If you could not to the satisfaction of the board....then you were humanely put down.
Shaw is the poster child of Obamacare.

I would also advise that you worry about yourself. Diabetes is becoming an epidemic and there is a good chance that you may contract it.....if you already haven't.

I'm very selfish....I do not want to pay for your diabetes. Especially a person like you who does not want to have a national health care system.

If you have the money to treat yourself , fine. Or if you can get someone to make you their charity case, again fine.

I am throwing personal responsibility back in your face. It is not my fault you have diabetes. Whether it came from family history or your own bad habits...your hero Ayn Rand says you are responsible and the rest of us should not be forced to pay. I'm starting to agree with her!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm very selfish....

Is "very selfish" as selfish as "fucking selfish"?

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

I'm very selfish....I do not want to pay for your diabetes. Especially a person like you who does not want to have a national health care system.

If you have the money to treat yourself , fine. Or if you can get someone to make you their charity case, again fine.

I am throwing personal responsibility back in your face. It is not my fault you have diabetes. Whether it came from family history or your own bad habits...your hero Ayn Rand says you are responsible and the rest of us should not be forced to pay. I'm starting to agree with her!

I got diabetes from taking a prescription drug that was later withdrawn because it caused diabetes. I don't want you to pay for my diabetes. I want you to leave me alone. My diabetes is well under control, and I can eat pretty much whatever I want. But as I stated in another thread, the Federal Government is now overseeing my health care, even though I have private, non-Obamacare insurance. As long as you keep voting for Democrats or Republicans, you are voting to help pay for and manage my health care. I will take responsibility. Quit voting for people who want to take that away.

[JD Barleycorn]

Okay, we all agree on something; We're fucked as long as we keep living and a certain someone is a royal dipshit (the election is coming up).

[WTF]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Okay, we all agree on something; We're fucked as long as we keep living and a certain someone is a royal dipshit (the election is coming up).

No we all agreed you are a taker.



.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by WTF

You do not even understand what Ayn Rand wrote. She says to reject altruism



If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
Ayn Rand

I don't give a fuck what she says. I'm saying altruism is not bad if done properly - i.e. I reject toxic charity or altruism that does more harm than good. Everyone has some selfishness, and it is a needed trait for survival.

Fuck that bitch - she is no great hero, thinker, or anything. I do not now, nor have I ever been a follower of hers. Therefore, I'm not bound by what she preaches nor am I compelled to try and follow all her bullshit.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by DSK

I don't give a fuck what she says. I'm saying altruism is not bad if done properly - i.e. I reject toxic charity or altruism that does more harm than good. Everyone has some selfishness, and it is a needed trait for survival.

Fuck that bitch - she is no great hero, thinker, or anything. I do not now, nor have I ever been a follower of hers. Therefore, I'm not bound by what she preaches nor am I compelled to try and follow all her bullshit.

Thanks JLIdiot (for nothing)!

[IIFFOFRDB]

Sneaky fucking 0zombies... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak


How Hillary Clinton and the left will move Obamacare into single-payer

For Hillary and the Democrats, Obamacare is only the first step

By Monica Crowley - - Wednesday, November 4, 2015
If you loathe Obamacare, you’re going to hate what the Democrats have planned next. Their imminent assault on health care will go far beyond the quasi-socialized medicine of Obamacare.

While Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed satisfaction with the Supreme Court’s recent decision in King v. Burwell, which upheld federal subsidies in states that did not establish their own exchanges, she must have been disappointed that she didn’t have the decision to herself. Her major primary opponent, Sen. Bernard Sanders, a Democratic-Socialist, has long been in front of her on full-blown socialized medicine, generally known as single payer.

For the left, the King v. Burwell decision is a prelude to total federal control of the health care system. Forget insurance. They want complete government control — the British National Health Service on steroids.

Mr. Sanders is playing the single-payer card, and Mrs. Clinton is playing catch-up.

Mrs. Clinton is, of course, the grandmother of socialized medicine. She was pushing for it more than 20 years ago, when Mr. Sanders was an obscure local Vermont pol. And yet, she’s struggling match Mr. Sanders on the issue.

Another irony: A single-payer system was tried — and went down in spectacular flames — in Mr. Sanders’ home state. That, of course, is immaterial to committed leftists, for whom ideological purity and warfare are everything.

Since the passage of Obamacare, the left has very effectively moved the goalposts so far to the extreme that single payer will no longer seem like a radical approach but the logical solution to fixing the program’s problems. Mrs. Clinton will argue that single payer is the obvious next step, a fait accompli.

Consider: Obamacare is currently being smothered by a raft of existential problems: ever-higher premiums, disappearing subsidies, the collapse of Obamacare co-ops, fewer enrollees, rising loss ratios. The program is entering the long-anticipated and feared “death spiral.”

That, of course, was the endgame all along. The Obamacare architects rigged the system to implode so they could ride to the rescue with single payer.

That was always the leftists’ ideal vision. In 2003, then-Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama laid out his deepest health care wish: “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program . But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

The leftists’ ambitions laid bare. But Democrats facing re-election in 2010 and 2012 did not want to have to vote for a highly unpopular single-payer system, so they pursued an easier political path.

They designed a health care scheme that was as close to single payer as was politically possible and stacked the deck so single payer would be the inevitable result.

A parade of leftists then broadcasted that intention. When Obamacare was passed in its final form in March 2010, Sen. Tom Harkin said, “I think of this bill as a starter home. It’s not the mansion of our dreams, but it has a solid foundation.” He added, “By passing this legislation, we will achieve a progressive prize that has eluded Congresses and presidents going back to Teddy Roosevelt.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi chimed in, “Once we kick through this door, there’ll be more legislation to follow.” Mr. Obama himself told then-Rep. Dennis Kucinich, “We’ve gotta start somewhere.”

This is why they purposefully built collapse into the program: They want employers to drop private coverage and have evermore Americans pushed into Obamacare.

They will next argue that we tried the market approach, but gosh golly, it just didn’t work, so we’re going to have to do the full socialized medicine monty.

The night of the King v. Burwell decision, Mrs. Clinton released a fundraising email, indicating that she was ready to go far to the left, and destroy the GOP as villains.

“This ruling is a reminder that while progress never comes easy, if we keep working, keep pushing, and never, ever give up, anything is possible,” she wrote.

“Add your name if you agree that access to health care is a basic human right.

“Despite two clear rulings by the highest court in the land, Republicans running for president still want to take basic health security away from millions of Americans ” she continued.

“The next president will either protect and expand health care for every American, or undo the progress we’ve made.”

Note her language: “keep pushing,” “basic human right,” “protect and expand health care for every American.” This is code for moving Obamacare quickly and seamlessly into a single-payer system — under the guise of “improving health care for all.”

The real reason is to finalize the critical cornerstone of what Mr. Obama in 2008 called the “fundamental transformation of the nation.” After all, if the government controls your health care, the government controls you.

Mission (soon to be) accomplished.

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Sneaky fucking 0zombies... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak


How Hillary Clinton and the left will move Obamacare into single-payer

For Hillary and the Democrats, Obamacare is only the first step

From your lips to God's ears. We should be so lucky.

It will happen. It has to. But it would not be the weaseling triangulating Centrist HRC that does it.

[Yssup Rider]

I didn't get that, IOTY SLOBBRIN! Please post it again!

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I didn't get that, IOTY SLOBBRIN! Please post it again!

Please expain?