A Change in the Hobby

[sultan of swing]

great thread! I have wondered about this influx for a while and have concluded that now more than ever it is important to be thorough and safe in the hobby.

The "free markets" or "natural course of events" will ultimately weed out the sloppy ones in this hobby - LE will take care of that. And high quality services (safety and professionalism) will be sustained by surviving providers who can command higher rates from hobbyists that can, will and want to pay for higher quality services.

[Girl Nexxxt Door]

SOS, I totally agree...safety and thoroughness are very important when verifying a reference from a provider...and also when proving identity of a client when a provider reference isn't available.

I just think it's elitist to say that the more reasonably priced girls are all sloppy in their verification efforts. It generalizes unfairly, I think. I think I'm both reasonable, and careful.

I don't think that hobbying is something that should be restricted to only those that can afford very high priced girls...everyone deserves a chance to play, as long as they are willing to prove who they are and satisfy our need for verification for safety purposes!

[charlestudor2005]

See comments below.

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

I just think it's elitist to say that the more reasonably priced girls are all sloppy in their verification efforts. It generalizes unfairly, I think. I think I'm both reasonable, and careful. There's an exception to every rule...including this one. LOL

I don't think that hobbying is something that should be restricted to only those that can afford very high priced girls...everyone deserves a chance to play, as long as they are willing to prove who they are and satisfy our need for verification for safety purposes! Just like all commerce, there are low, medium and high prices. But, whereas in most areas of commerce, various entities regulate minimum standards. In this industry it is up to all of us to set minimum standards and live by them.

[sadie]

The community has demonstrated an extended hand to support the new ladies. My question is...why continue to do business in venues that put yourself,clients,and the rest of us in added risk?? Checking an id does not mean the man is not LE or worse. Employment verification can be easily faked. As HOT as LE activity has been over the last two years...Arkansas is certainly NOT the state to take unnecessary chances for quick cash.

I will be more than happy to assist in screening and give references.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

SOS, I totally agree...safety and thoroughness are very important when verifying a reference from a provider...and also when proving identity of a client when a provider reference isn't available.

I just think it's elitist to say that the more reasonably priced girls are all sloppy in their verification efforts. It generalizes unfairly, I think. I think I'm both reasonable, and careful.

I don't think that hobbying is something that should be restricted to only those that can afford very high priced girls...everyone deserves a chance to play, as long as they are willing to prove who they are and satisfy our need for verification for safety purposes!

Dana.... please let me respond... point by point.... paragraph by paragraph.

1) The "identity" of a client means very little.... it's practically useless! What you need to know, is... is he safe?

2) Nobody has inferred that "reasonably priced" girls (as if higher priced ones aren't) are "all" sloppy with screening! But it is a definite fact that some of the newer (as well as older, existing) girls are somewhat cluless when it comes to the potential dangers that need to be screened! If we can help them.... we wind up helping everyone!

3) Again.... posts like Shelby's have made it clear.... this discussion is not about rates.... it's about safety. There is room for all.... but safety concerns should be shared across the entire spectrum!!

Your safety is important to all of us.... not just you! Maybe you should look into some of the incidents which have happened in the last couple of years.... right here in Arkansas.... Boston.... New Orleans.... other places. Perhaps they might give you an increased awareness and slightly different perspective.

Giz

P.S. - I've been thinking of adding the following to my signature line....
Experience is what you get, when you don't get what you want!

[guest031513-1]

If anything I saw this thread as veteran providers reaching out, maybe there was no good way to bring the subject up so they just started a thread everyone could chime in on instead of people bitching behind each others backs. To me it appears about safety and screening processes and they opened the tables for discussion, advise or anything else. A lot of posters seem to be on the defense and taking it as an insult to where they started or other things which I do not see at all. These veterans could not still be here because they have no clue what they are doing so it might be worth listening to how they made it here this long and the processes that they use. Might make the difference of lasting until only next week or lasting until you actually want to move on. Sorry to bring this subject up but maybe threads such as [ame="http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=12676"]AVOID!!! This NUMBER!!! #479263XXXX - ECCIE - Your source for escort reviews[/ame] could have been avoided, I don't see such things being very likely if someone was properly screened. I would say more but I really don't think anything could be worded any better than MrGiz has done himself on pretty much every point. Anyway, kind of new myself but have read this board and others for a while so I figured I would throw my two cents out there.

[willro]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

I understand the premise.... but I can't accept the analogy.... and here's why.
A first time restaraunt reviewer is simply someone else who chose to eat there. An unknown first time hobby reviewer "may" be LE... or worse! It has happened!

If your girlfriend was an escort , alone.... would you want her taking that chance?

Giz

Originally Posted by shelby sinful

I'm sorry Willro, but I'm not risking my life or freedom (nor that of other clients) everytime I go to a new restaurant!!! I frankly don't care about the review itself, I am more concerned with MY Safey and the Safety of our community.

Please understand that I am not asking anyone to take unnecessary risk. I don't want anyone to have LE problems or, worse, safety problems. I just think parts of this thread were reading like a newbie opinion had no place in the hobby, and that is just wrong to me. Like I stated before, I give much more credibility to the comments/reviews that come from guys/ladies that I'm familiar with and trust. However, all the reviews add to my collection of knowledge that helps to keep me safe.

A quack might post a bogus review of a lady or two, but if he does this without collaboration from the providers, he will be called out on it. I look for ladies that have been reviewed by many different clients, and then I often ask guys I trust, by way of PM to see what knowledge they can contribute. For me, some reviews hold more weight on here, but I still appreciate ALL of them..... that's all I"m really trying to say.

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by sadie

The community has demonstrated an extended hand to support the new ladies. My question is...why continue to do business in venues that put yourself,clients,and the rest of us in added risk?? Checking an id does not mean the man is not LE or worse. Employment verification can be easily faked. As HOT as LE activity has been over the last two years...Arkansas is certainly NOT the state to take unnecessary chances for quick cash.

I will be more than happy to assist in screening and give references.

HUNI hate to break it to ya but LE is reading this right now... You think they don't get on sites like these? Your crazy if so! They do. We all know it. It's on the web, same thing... It's advertising your services. Quick Cash... So what cash you get isn't considered quick? Many reasons I post of backpage is because I try and stay in connect with regulars I have had over the year and half of being in the biz that do not know anything about ECCIE and that maybe were not able to save my number in their phone and said they would get it off my ad... ya know? Lots of our clients are married and maybe aren't the type to think that they could just save the ladies name as a man in the phone so the s/o wont see it. Maybe they dont know the whole google search trick either. When I started out I was not INDI. so I didn't answer/book the calls and not always did I give out my number, well I think now those men might would want to see me on my own... (which I have ran into many of them this way B/P) I think being safe means to screen. Doesn't mean you can only use ECCIE. p411 or datecheck. escorts.
I am not putting a client at risk because I post on BP or CL. I don't see how that is putting anyone at risk other than myself( if at all )... but I too don't see how it makes a diff. if I am posting on ESCORTS or ECCIE / BP/CL ... If LE wants ya, they gonna get cha one was or the other... not because of what site you are on or anyhing like that. LE has handles on escorts, aspd, eccie, and they do surf bp.cl... so none of what you said really makes sense to me... I think screening can be done NO matter where you post.

[MrGiz]

Continued Good Luck , Girls!!

You're right.... the site makes little difference!! It just so happens that the majority (not all) of the busts we hear about come from the BP/CL realm. It comes down to the individual girl's screening methods. It just so happens that the majority (not all) of the busts we hear about, have involved CL girls.... BP soon to follow. Why? Due to the lack of built-in databases to assist the screening process! If we want to ignore the many varied news stories from around the country.... you're right.... the website makes very little difference!! But the screening methods used by the majority (not all) of the girls do!!

I understand the point about trying to reach already proven legit clients that you already know thru those two sites.... but that is not the issue of this thread!

I only hope exposure to enhanced screening methods pays-off for the nice little crop of good girls we have had cross over from that realm of increased danger! One thing is a fact, and not an opinion.... The CL / BP World presents a MUCH bigger risk than sites like this one! Anyone who doesn't believe that is naive! How ya'll want to manage that risk is up to you!

Would anyone like to bet me, which website gets mentioned as the site where the date was set-up, in the next internet prostitution bust in one of Arkansas' cities?

Giz

[Guest010312-3]

5 pages of posts and still most of it is falling on deaf ears!!! I've never had a NS/NC, a stalker, LE problems, nor a dangerous situation...........yes some is luck but the main reason is my screening methods....so I must be doing something right. The only thing I have left to say is I am more than willing to help any of the new girls, who actually want the help, learn to hobby safer.

On another note, I like to be able to suggest other girls when I am unable to fullfil a date request. But I can't comfortably recommend someone that I'm not sure is screening . I'd hate to send a client to someone and put that client at risk.

[bigmarv]

This is just common sense to me, I only see well reviewed ladies who screen well.

[MacTheKnife]

[MrGiz]

YEP!! It can be zipped up!! Sadie's call.... she's probably out, boinging some vagabond, somewhere

[Miss Dreams]

I do agree with all of the above... I never said that CL/ BP was not HOTT, i said that these websites are HOTT too... (just not as) Uhmmm wasn't ASPD on the news also?? Didn't they bust a whole group?? Anyways what I was trying to say is that police know about all of them. Yes these are a little more safer and alot better since that you dont have to post your credit card info on it to post an ad, but then again we sit on here mostly everyday and share our life stories HA HA... which is awesum but could have some downs to it too!

I am not saying I do not agree with you guys because there are very good points made, but I disagree on a few things... everyone has their own opinions.

I do agree that with proper screening we can advoid these things and I do admit that even though I have been in the biz going on 2 years I too do still have lots to learn and I am willing to learn.) I do screen my calls and I do turn down loads of clients who are prob. safe but if I get that gut feeling then I wont see them. Everyone that everyone see's had to start out through one girl that felt they were okay, you can't come into the biz as a hobbyist and have ref's... it's just not going to happen...would be nice. Also p411 isn't always safe. I screened a man that had 8 ok's and tell me why he was followed in the hotel by a cop? ( Maybe he was just following him or maybe he was with him?? ) I called the call off... I do not fully trust that just because a man is screened that he is ALWAYS going to be okay even with ok's ALL the time( prob, yes but there is that 1%/100 that he isnt... because within a day that man could have gotten in trouble and is now a C.I, I mean we have to be careful at all times!

[MrGiz]

Well.... Ya Know..... after all this talk , back and forth..... this Olde dawg still likes turning new tricks with you Lil Young Pups

Would ya please rub my belly.... and make me feel better?