The GOP gave Reagan slack why not give it to Obama?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Fastcars1966

It is a fact, this should not surprise you. Just go to any bordering state and practice for awhile. Lets say go to the University of Michigan and see for yourself. The care that we give is from the best in the world to what you would rate as 37th. .

Who cares if we have the best healthcare if you can not afford it!


Hot damn, you see the NY firefighter's family on Fox today crying about the cost to treat their Firefighter husband medical costs. Insurance would not cover it. We have the best healthcare for only a select few. Those select few benefit from government sponsored research. How fuc'n ironic is that?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Many ask "how could President Obama sit in that Church for over 20 years and then say he was not aware of the hate filled retoric that poured from the Pulpit".

The answer is as plain as the ears on His head. Like a lot of guys, He's been sleeping in Church for 20 years.

LOL...ain't dat da truth!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Fastcars1966

I would say that age is clearly a dividing line. Most people as they mature become wiser, and more conservative with age. Just so you know Billie Graham, and too many others to name were thought to be republicans but were in fact very strong democrats.

Most old people rely on the government. They are taking out of the system way more than they put in. These same pld people want government out of their lives.....until you talk about cutting Medicare!

We are a nation full of people that have a hard time following the money.

Grover Norquist, the anti tax guy that I have been preaching is only for the rich....is actually wanting the Tea Party congressman to vote to raise the debt limit. Why, because allot of rich folks that rely on the government ie bankers....think this debt crisis is serious business. Who do you think put pressure on that fuc'er to shift his views,

Follow the money trail.

[Whirlaway]

Do you see a pattern??

Democrats are going to bankrupt this country !

10 Most Indebted States (averages exclude student loans)
State......................... ..Average debt............% change
1. California...............$336, 169.....................-4% Voted Obama
2. Hawaii....................$321 ,258....................-7% Voted Obama
3. Maryland................$263,5 24.....................-0% Voted Obama
4. New Jersey.............$257,462... ..................-1% Voted Obama
5. Washington...........$243,758. ....................-2% Voted Obama
6. Massachusetts......$242,111... ..................-0% Voted Obama
7. Virginia.................$239, 186....................-1% Voted Obama
8. Connecticut..........$229,684. ....................-3% Voted Obama
9. Colorado...............$219,89 9....................-1% Voted Obama
10. Nevada................$218,010 ....................-7% Voted Obama

10 Least Indebted States (averages, excluding student debt)
1. Oklahoma............$126,027.. .................-3% Voted McCain
2. West Virginia.......$127,535....... ............-1% Voted McCain
3. Arkansas.............$128,460. ..................-0% Voted McCain
4. Mississippi..........$129,792. .................-2% Voted McCain
5. Indiana................$132,61 8..................-3% Voted Obama
6. Kansas................$133,606 ..................-2% Voted McCain
7. North Dakota......$133,823.......... ........+0% Voted McCain
8. Kentucky.............$136,441. ................-1% Voted McCain
9. Iowa....................$139,4 15.................+0% Voted Obama
10. Nebraska..........$139,527.... ..............-1% Voted McCain

[Doove]

Yeah, let's be more like West Virginia and Mississippi everybody!

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Yeah, if it wasn't for that senile old coot, capitalism would have failed ... Reagan had about as much to do with the fall of communism as my old tom cat. Capitalism, at least if well regulated, is a vastly superior economic system than communism. It was merely a matter of time until communism failed. If you want to thank somebody, thank Harry Truman and George Keenan.

Also thank the straw that broke the camel's back which was a widely-held economic theory held by many in the 50's and 60's.

Castro, Mao Tse Tung, Bin Laden and others like them all over the world (and in far different ways) stretched Communism's ability to occupy and control countries and regimes but the Bozos here think Reagan just told Gorbachev to "Tear Down This Wall" and it magically happened.

Hell, if Reagan's second term hadn't been up when they finally got the evidence on the Arms for Hostages Criminal Act, he would have been impeached for far worse than Clinton's BBBJ.

Communism failed just exactly as many economists predicted it would and just as we are failing from not having learned THEIR lesson. Instead of listening to the economists that said "Let Communism HAVE those countries. There is no way they can maintain them." THEY were RIGHT!

Nobody has enough money to occupy and control countries anymore.

Maybe in 50 years, the Chinese will have both the money and manpower to do it but not even the U.S. could do it today ESPECIALLY while CUTTING taxes.

You guys should look closely at just what sector is stripping the flesh off the carcass that used to be our infrastructure and our skilled middle class labor force.

Sadly though, stupidity often hides things from those who have a large helping of that ailment. They repeat Limbaugh instead of actually reading about things like the Community Reinvestment Act passed under Carter or the sales tax abatement on luxury yachts and the deception the insurance industry tries to sell as "Tort Reform".

The malpractice liability "crisis" for OBGYNS was 100% generated from within an insurance industry that never screened repeat offender docs, didn't care that premiums didn't cover losses because their investments were making obscene profits and that violated the insurance code by raising premiums to cover past underwriting losses.

Even Obama is either getting paid off by insurers or he's in on the take with the Republicans!

The Tea Party "Patriots" are about as stupid about what it takes to legislate, regulate and govern as the other two parties are dishonest. I just slightly lean toward favoring Dems only because traditionally, they have not sold their entire soul to giant business interests like the Republicans have.

The Tea Party "Patriots" are a disaster that arrived just in time to take down the country with a stupidity that lives in a fictitious past and that also has a minimal knowledge of history. The combination of those two things should scare the Bejeesus out of anyone with a brain.

It damn sure scares me!

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by Doove

Yeah, let's be more like West Virginia and Mississippi everybody!

Exactly! The Tea Party "Patriots" are dumb enough to sink this country!

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Do you see a pattern??

Democrats are going to bankrupt this country !

10 Most Indebted States (averages exclude student loans)
State......................... ..Average debt............% change
1. California...............$336, 169.....................-4% Voted Obama
2. Hawaii....................$321 ,258....................-7% Voted Obama
3. Maryland................$263,5 24.....................-0% Voted Obama
4. New Jersey.............$257,462... ..................-1% Voted Obama
5. Washington...........$243,758. ....................-2% Voted Obama
6. Massachusetts......$242,111... ..................-0% Voted Obama
7. Virginia.................$239, 186....................-1% Voted Obama
8. Connecticut..........$229,684. ....................-3% Voted Obama
9. Colorado...............$219,89 9....................-1% Voted Obama
10. Nevada................$218,010 ....................-7% Voted Obama

10 Least Indebted States (averages, excluding student debt)
1. Oklahoma............$126,027.. .................-3% Voted McCain
2. West Virginia.......$127,535....... ............-1% Voted McCain
3. Arkansas.............$128,460. ..................-0% Voted McCain
4. Mississippi..........$129,792. .................-2% Voted McCain
5. Indiana................$132,61 8..................-3% Voted Obama
6. Kansas................$133,606 ..................-2% Voted McCain
7. North Dakota......$133,823.......... ........+0% Voted McCain
8. Kentucky.............$136,441. ................-1% Voted McCain
9. Iowa....................$139,4 15.................+0% Voted Obama
10. Nebraska..........$139,527.... ..............-1% Voted McCain

whirlway are you ok? WTF does a stae being in debt have to do with who they voted for? So are you telling me these states had surpluses when Bush was in office? Whirl you live in Texas which almost always votes Republicans how's our budget? How is the buedget for Dallas county??? Whom are you kidding- you are coming up with all these foolish post that make you look really inept.

Once again Whirl who did you vote for in 2008?

[Whirlaway]

You are too obsessed with how I voted in 2008. Why??

Why don't you answer some questions yourself?

Once again, do you support a balanced budget ammendment?

Who did you vote for in 2008?

You claim to be an indepent and conservative - on some issues - what is your view on the issues you consider yourself to be an indepedent and conservative?

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Once again Whirl who did you vote for in 2008?

[Whirlaway]

If you don't understand the correlations with voting patterns and economic performances, then I suggest you read up on things before commenting....knowing how liberals run on emotions and can't think rationally, I am sure I am wasting my time....but here is one of many articles on the subject....

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...mocrat-that039

In a nutshell the bluest of states are also some of the most highly indebted, they have the worst fundamentals for entrepernurial activity and job creation. Thus they are states that are highly populated by unskilled dead enders with little opportunities. They demand/require more services at very high costs to taxpayers...their futures are bleak....get an education Wellendowed ! Unless it is your grand scheme to have America look like the failed states of Michigan, California, et al; because ignorance of such matters is affecting us all.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

hirlway are you ok? WTF does a stae being in debt have to do with who they voted for? So are you telling me these states had surpluses when Bush was in office? Whirl you live in Texas which almost always votes Republicans how's our budget? How is the buedget for Dallas county??? Whom are you kidding- you are coming up with all these foolish post that make you look really inept.

Once again Whirl who did you vote for in 2008? Your beggining to look like a stalker Wellendowed, FYI, I don't swing that way !

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I am sure I am wasting my time.

Ding ding ding ding!

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

You are too obsessed with how I voted in 2008. Why??
Because you like to play both sides of the fence- you didn't vote for Mccain so did you vote for obama? Or did you not vote at all?
Why don't you answer some questions yourself?
like what?
Once again, do you support a balanced budget ammendment?
YES- but only if corporations and wealthy make sacrifices as well- what politician do you know that says they don't want a balanced budget?

Who did you vote for in 2008?
Obama -duh!

You claim to be an indepent and conservative - on some issues - what is your view on the issues you consider yourself to be an indepedent and conservative?

well my views are the following- I have my beliefs and values but if someone believes the opposite I don't call them evil or bad.

[Whirlaway]

No you just call them foolish and other condenscening descriptives...so don't cloak yourself in holier than thou BS....(btw, I never used "evil" so you are being deceptive by implying it)

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

well my views is the following- I have my beliefs and values but if someone believes the opposite I don't call them evil or bad.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

No you just call them foolish and other condenscening descriptives...so don't cloak yourself in holier than thou BS....(btw, I never used "evil" so you are being deceptive by implying it)

Whirl I only call things foolish when people like you can't accept that everyone doesn't share you ideas or beliefs- which makes this country great. Whirl if a Republican was in office do you think All America's problems will be gone??? People like Hannity and Rush make you believe that all of America's problems are the result of Democrats. Trust me there were UE, poor, sick people during the Reagan and Bush years or any other years that a Republican was in problem. People like you Whirl think that only Republicans can fix America's problem and that is so naive to believe in such foolishness!

[TexTushHog]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

In a nutshell the bluest of states are also some of the most highly indebted, they have the worst fundamentals for entrepernurial

No entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley in California, right? None in New York where Goldman Sacs and all the hedge funds are located, right? Massachusetts Route 128 isn't second to Silicon Valley as headquarters to tech and bio-tech entrepreneurship in the US, right?