On Being Kept...

[Gotyour6]

Lol,

OMG I love these threads.

Good entertainment.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Lol,

OMG I love these threads.

Good entertainment.

Pretty much.

So seed money and no agreement to a percentage of said business? Some guys will not make it far in life now will they?

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Pretty much.

So seed money and no agreement to a percentage of said business? Some guys will not make it far in life now will they?

He says he invests with his heart, not with his head. But it's actually a rather good business plan and he enjoys helping people out when he likes them. And he's clearly in a position to do so. Though if she wasn't my friend, he'd definitely be trying to do her...

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

Do you see what you are doing, Charlotte? You are straw manning this. You are saying that bc some SDs want more and more time, all of us do so women had best stay escorts. In my case, my SBs want to spend more time with me rather than less. It is the opposite of what you are saying. No. That is the furthest thing from anything I have said. Again, read my posts. You're making a huge leap of logic to pull "all of us want more time and girls would do best to be escorts" from "Some SD's want more time until it's unmanageable, so why are the girls at fault for seeing a different way to do it?". I don't care, honestly, about your SB's. Good on you for finding girls who want the same thing you do. However, you are not the end all be all authority on SBing, and you certainly don't know how every single girl makes the decision to operate at her current capacity. Just because your experience is different from mine, doesn't mean you need to pull all kinds of whackadoodle stuff out of my posts and go on and on with classic private information about you SB's. It CAN just be different.



Honey, I know all about your biz and clients. I have probably been a client longer than you have been an adult. I am not saying it is bad. I am saying being a SD has been a richer experience.
LMAO. Darling, no matter how long you've been a client, you will never know what it's like to be a provider. Whether it be a SB, a stripper, a kept woman, a massage worker, or an escort. We are all the same, and completely different from you. Congratulations on liking the SD experience. If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that I'm all for it and think guys should just appreciate when they can get a good deal like that, instead of trying to act like everyone else is doing something wrong.



Do you have a daughter who begs you to go see a certain client? If not, then no you don't get it, and the last thing you are being is truthful.
No, because if I had children, I would never be so stupid as to get them involved with some dude who pays me for action. I wasn't going to say anything about it at first, but that is a hard line that many will not cross. And while I don't know your situation, that kind of stuff will make many a lady's skin crawl. So no, it's not that I don't get it. You just think your way is the best and that is on you and her buddy.



How can guys be getting a good deal when they are paying $1000 for 2 hours and I am paying $1000 for a month?
Again, learn to read. $1,000 for a month like you're doing is a great deal compared to $1,000 for two hours. I've explained it over and over again. If you can't figure out that math, then I can't help you.



I am not insulting you. I am objecting to what this forum has become: women attempting to justify their astronomical rates by any means possible and men going along with it. I think you had best take your own advice: accept you are getting a great deal and be happy about it.

Ah, so here it comes out. I am not surprised.

I think it's interesting that men come on a hooker review board to complain about rates and *gasp* the fact that the hookers want to be hookers. There's nothing wrong with us choosing this business model, just like there's nothing wrong with the SB's choosing a different model than we do. And, as outlined in.... ohhhh about every single one of my posts, what model works best for who changes based on what situation the lady is in. There are pros and cons to each, which I have discussed in pretty good depth. I made ONE comment about SOME sugar daddies being undesirable, and you've attempted to draw ridiculous conclusions about my beliefs and business from that. That's fine, but you're still going to be going on about nothing.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

He says he invests with his heart, not with his head.

He will not make it far that way. I smell an epic failure in the making

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

He will not make it far that way. I smell an epic failure in the making

That smell is actually Charlotte at the black jack table.

So much heart, so few winnings

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

He will not make it far that way. I smell an epic failure in the making

You must have opted to not read about my situation. Which is fine. It's boring compared to arguing about Sugar Situations. But anyway, he's the retired CEO of one of the most profitable companies in the world, so I'm pretty sure he's all good. Him giving someone $10k is probably equivalent to my grandma sending me $20 in my birthday card.

But, hell, I would like to think most of us would be so generous if we had the means. I see the joy on his face when he does stuff like this. It's cliche but he can't take it with him. He wants to live on in his legacies, big and small. Who wouldn't?

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

I can't spead for Blad, but to me "making it as a SB" means not totally screwing up because you're money hungry, not available, not exclusive, breach his trust., steal, lie, etc. A situation can be long or short and be successful if it just runs its natural course.

A SB becoming independent and moving on would not me, in my opinion, her not making it. Rather that would be about as successful as one could hope for.

I've read that women entering these types of situations, who are thinking smart, will have a plan and a goal and a time limit. I am trying to follow those rules and I had a 3 year plan, however, I accomplished my goals in two years and now I'm stuck in this holding pattern. I don't want to be ungrateful, but I'm ready to move one...I just don't want to hurt anyone. I know at this point he's getting much more benefit than I am...so I struggle with feeling a bit trapped and bitter. And then feel horrible guilty.

I'm a bit lost and I do appreciate y'all (especially Blad and Charlotte) taking the time to engage and offer such good insight.

Bladtinzu, I don't want to make this anything but a true compliment, but your answers here have shown me another side to you that I really like and appreciate. I'm glad I didn't jump to a stap judgment.

xoxo,
LMx

You know, I feel like an exit plan is one of the most important things a girl can have in this sort of industry, but you rarely hear of a solid one, or see any information on how to go about it.

This is obviously not to say that screening, personal boundaries, etc etc blah blah blah are not also important, but a sense of what you're doing and where you're going can make such a huge difference.

Everyone says "know when to get out", but unlike say, screening or advertising, there's very little information on how to build one of these plans, or execute them. A large part is probably the many variables, I suppose.

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

You know, I feel like an exit plan is one of the most important things a girl can have in this sort of industry, but you rarely hear of a solid one, or see any information on how to go about it.

This is obviously not to say that screening, personal boundaries, etc etc blah blah blah are not also important, but a sense of what you're doing and where you're going can make such a huge difference.

Everyone says "know when to get out", but unlike say, screening or advertising, there's very little information on how to build one of these plans, or execute them. A large part is probably the many variables, I suppose.

The exit plan. The elusive exit plan. It's similar to being at a casino :-). You basically know when to walk away but many times you stay too long.

I had a list of goals when I began this journey...things that I wanted to acquire or achieve, things that would make it worth putting my life on hold for five years. Things that I thought would essentially provide me with security for the rest of my life and let me walk away, meet a nice guy, get married, whatever. I just crossed the last thing off my list but I feel obligated to stay fur the five years I originally set aside...I hope it doesn't backfire. I'm trying to add to my list to make it worthwhile, but I'm mentally ready to move on now...but am sort if trapped out of a sense of obligation.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

That smell is actually Charlotte at the black jack table.

So much heart, so few winnings

It will get better hopefully...

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

But, hell, I would like to think most of us would be so generous if we had the means. I see the joy on his face when he does stuff like this. It's cliche but he can't take it with him. He wants to live on in his legacies, big and small. Who wouldn't?

Hell no!!! I enjoy spending money on myself and my two daughters. Them because it seriously pisses off the first ex wife since she fell in love and had her life time alimony cut out.. Me because I have a fetish for vehicles and watches (and not some second rate rolex piece of crap either).

So investing in something without something being in it for me is a no go. Even for a paltry 10k I expect an ROI..

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

It will get better hopefully...





Hell no!!! I enjoy spending money on myself and my two daughters. Them because it seriously pisses off the first ex wife since she fell in love and had her life time alimony cut out.. Me because I have a fetish for vehicles and watches (and not some second rate rolex piece of crap either).

So investing in something without something being in it for me is a no go. Even for a paltry 10k I expect an ROI..

Men wearing really nice watches...one of my favorite things...

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Men wearing really nice watches...one of my favorite things...

I am a total horologist but not a maker just a total aficionado.

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

However, you are not the end all be all authority on SBing... LMAO. Darling, no matter how long you've been a client, you will never know what it's like to be a provider... No, because if I had children, I would never be so stupid as to get them involved with some dude who pays me for action.

These three comments pretty much sum up what the D&T forum has morphed into. I am not the authority on sugar babies (Where did I say I was?), I can't understand what it is like to be a provider (I guess I can't know if my dog is hungry bc I am not a dog).

The last comment though is the real beaut. There is the arrogance (I am not a mother but I know what I would do if I were). So you know what you would be like as a parent but I can't know what it is like to be an escort. Uh, why?

Then there is the contempt for your clients (I would never trust my future children with one of you losers).

But most importantly, it shows a complete lack of what a good SB-SD relationship should be based on... trust. A real SB should trust her kids with me as much if not more than any other man and I should trust her with my children, and I often do.

That last comment shows that you will always be an escort, Charlotte. You are objectifying your male clients. Maybe you can clarify why your male clients would be toxic to your future children, and it not come across as insulting to said clients. I am still shaking my head at that one.

[woodyboyd]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Though I could have done without the insults, I do appreciate your input. You actually gave me exactly the type of information and opinions I was looking for when I posted the topic originally.

I know it is easy to say that my post didn't mean to be offensive. Suffice it to say that it wasn't meant towards you. I have just heard all the nonsense on this forum before about male SDs "preying on women", women giving it up for so little, how the HDHs are so worth it and underpaid for what they do.

What the women here really need to do is accept that the SD SB model is a real alternative for men to meet their sexual needs. When I first posted the glory days of the HDH are over, my point was for women here to entertain a new business model to compete with the coming wave. Few did.

What I like about the SD SB model over the HDH one is: no hourly rates, real intimacy, real passion, and a more open attitude with regards to bareback sex. Downside is that I have had SBs with unrealistic financial obligations and there is no guarantee of sex with first or even subsequent dates.

I just wish some HDHs would have ridden to the challenge of the new model instead of spewing out insults. I was reacting to those past insults LM more than anything you posted.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

These three comments pretty much sum up what the D&T forum has morphed into. I am not the authority on sugar babies (Where did I say I was?), I can't understand what it is like to be a provider (I guess I can't know if my dog is hungry bc I am not a dog).

The last comment though is the real beaut. There is the arrogance (I am not a mother but I know what I would do if I were). So you know what you would be like as a parent but I can't know what it is like to be an escort. Uh, why?

Then there is the contempt for your clients (I would never trust my future children with one of you losers).

But most importantly, it shows a complete lack of what a good SB-SD relationship should be based on... trust. A real SB should trust her kids with me as much if not more than any other man and I should trust her with my children, and I often do.

That last comment shows that you will always be an escort, Charlotte. You are objectifying your male clients. Maybe you can clarify why your male clients would be toxic to your future children, and it not come across as insulting to said clients. I am still shaking my head at that one.

I never said or implied that anyone was a loser or toxic, that's how you chose to take it. I simply said I would never, and yes I can confidently say NEVER, drag my children into a situation that could get them taken away.

He asked if I had any clients I would introduce my children to. As an escort, my answer was no. Do you have any idea the kind of legal shit storm a mother could get into for doing that? For having a child around illegal activities, especially those of a sexual nature, ie escorting? No one even stops to think about what could happen if an ex, or a family member, or heaven forbid law enforcement found out about a kid being in that situation. Charlotte's just an asshole who doesn't "get it". No, I get it plenty. And that's why I can confidently say one way or the other. It would be bad enough for me to get arrested in a random hotel room, but to add having my children around someone in this world to the point that they "beg" to see them? It'd be done before I even got to say "I'm so sorry I'll never do it again".

And the repercussions of dragging men, especially men who are only paying for sex, in and out of a child's life? Please. That doesn't make me arrogant or show that I have contempt, just that I'm smart enough not to get involved in situations that aren't going to be good for anyone. A man who is in a P4P relationship with me, no matter how much you want to try and romanticize it and act like I'm an asshole for seeing the reality of it, is not going to stick around, and is not someone who needs to be brought into a child's life. The whole point of an escort/client relationship is to maintain the no strings attached boundaries, and see a variety of people. Why would I expose my children to a situation where the whole point is for it not to last beyond X amount of time?

And do I even need to go into what can happen if the relationship ever soured? Ugh... how anyone could not shudder at the thought of bringing a child into that on purpose is a mystery to me.

You guys can try to insult me, and try to tell me I "don't get it", but the truth of the matter is that I am not a SB right now. Don't ask me questions about being an escort, and then try to act like I'm supposed to answer like I'm something else. I don't need to be a mother to know the law and how it pertains to my situation, or how to conduct myself to avoid bigger ramifications than necessary. Regardless of how you want to pretend is the right or wrong way to do things.

Now, as far as a "real SB" trusting a SD just as much with her kids if not more than any other man? Eh... If you say so. To me, a SD is unlikely to become a real father figure. If he's not in it for the long haul, he doesn't need to meet my kids. End of story, to me. Other people have different comfort zones, and that's fine. I just can't see anyone SD'ing me around for the 10 or so years it would take for me to be comfortable with that.

In the case of "You can know what you would be like as a parent, but I can't know what it's like to be an escort", you're comparing apples and oranges. Knowing that I wouldn't introduce children to clients is because of the law. It has nothing to do with actually being a mother or not. Bottom line, the kids should take precedence over whatever relationships I have going on, and I should do my best to protect them.

People that claim to know my business because they've been a client for a long time are only doing that because they think they have an idea, after hearing the watered down and sweetened up version over the years. You're getting a fantasy, even if it's not a very good one at the time. You will never know what's actually going through our heads, how we feel and what we go through in our daily lives, or the whole truth, and that goes for sugar babies too to an extent, no matter how much trust and respect is there. Men, especially seem to have a hard time understanding this. A woman could possibly identify with what we go through, but a man just cannot, no matter how much he hears about it. That's not a dig, there's just a lot that goes on in a girls head, a lot of outside factors, and this is a very complicated industry sometimes.