Prostitution notwithstanding, is the word whore - in any way - a pejorative or is it not?

[universalenergy]

[QUOTE=LilMynx69;1054760343]My skin is thicker than that, and while I know that you say things in a moment of passion...I've tried to suggest before that your arguments are better when you don't make them personal.

I think even you can admit that it's quite laughable that I am going hold onto any belief without critical examination. Hell, I can't decide what's for lunch without critical examination.

So, of course, I'm going to take offense when you suggest my thought or beliefs that I've spent DECADES developing are, in anyway associated with how men act on ECCIE.

BUT, I know that was not your intent. But, I did want to bring it to your attention. Thank ÿou for the prompt apology; it's accepted and appreciated.

Carry on!

xoxo,
LMx[

Again you are the voice of legal knowledge and reason.
Have a Happy New Year.

[Guest062114-5]

Thx, UE. I hope your holidays are merry and bright!

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I really normally don’t do this, but no it does not have a certain je ne sais quoi. Let alone the sophisticated French kinda way that you are implying.

Thanks... you were right about one thing, the calendar whore's English is better than my French.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by DickEmDown

So now you're a Psychologist along with being a whore....or should I say "used to be whore"


Here's a hint OH...you shouldn't believe EVERYTHING you read and see on the Interwebs...often times people may be fucking with you just to fuck with you


Am I, or am I not....only I know

How utterly disappointing. Crawfishing. Wow, this couldn't be full of more fail. You do / did it. Own it big guy.

[ESwho'snext?]

I understand how many feel differently about this word so maybe this will help to clear things up for you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whore?s=t

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by ESwho'snext?

I understand how many feel differently about this word so maybe this will help to clear things up for you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/whore?s=t

Except dictionary.com isn't exactly a recognized primary source. It's usually pretty good, but really just the Wikipedia of definitions.

If I'm writing an article on prostitution, I'm not going to cite dictionary.com any more than I'd seriously quote Urban Dictionary.

Someone already posted the Merriam Webster definition, I didn't pull the hard copy, but I'll assume they match. I'll stick with that definition.

xoxo,
LMx

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Old-T

Olivia, I want to take something you said and amplify it.

I do think the difference between whore and prostitute is significant in how it is perceived. "Prostitute" I believe connotes sex for money. "Whore" is often used in a broader sense: sex for something of value. Sleeping with the boss for a promotion, the "other woman" who knows there is no wedding ring but lots of gifts and trips. Those would not accurately be prostitutes, but many people would see them as whores.

Absolutely they would be seen as such, and thereby making the point that both of us have made that whore has a hard edge and broader social meaning than prostitute which is the actual term for someone who accepts money for sex.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

My skin is thicker than that, and while I know that you say things in a moment of passion...I've tried to suggest before that your arguments are better when you don't make them personal.

And like you, I think that my argument is sound. I do not believe I’ve made this personal. Trust me. These threads in the Houston Coed and on the national forums aren’t personal. I’ve not taken them as such nor have I made them such towards anyone else. When I make something personal, it’s evident even to ants – on other continents.

Though I do believe – not you – it has been made quote personal towards me and women in general. What you are seeing me is me defending myself and more importantly the core of the argument. If I don’t the entire argument will be lost to the static and personal attacks upon me and women, including whores, in general.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

I think even you can admit that it's quite laughable that I am going hold onto any belief without critical examination. Hell, I can't decide what's for lunch without critical examination.

I don’t think anywhere have I indicated that I think you aren’t a critical thinker and a not only a good business woman but a fabulous promoter of yourself and your image. I also think I’ve made it clear I think you are a leader amongst the ECCIE community.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

So, of course, I'm going to take offense when you suggest my thought or beliefs that I've spent DECADES developing are, in anyway associated with how men act on ECCIE.

As have I. I never said anyone’s ideas are based on the behavior of men on ECCIE. I said the impact on women’s lives particularly and with regard to social conditioning and social shunning because of sexual behaviors of women is directly influenced by how women compete for male attention, social position and resources for themselves and their offspring. It has changed to some degree since the Women’s Movement and the Sexual Revolution, but we’ve got a long, long way to go.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

BUT, I know that was not your intent. But, I did want to bring it to your attention. Thank ÿou for the prompt apology; it's accepted and appreciated.

It absolutely was not my intent.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

While I'm happy to agree that the word WHORE is many times used to "keep loose women in their place" or attempt to warn young women of the evils of promiscuity, I would love to change that.

As do I, but we have to start with females. Trust me, men will go kicking and fucking screaming. Look at sex education, birth control and the dreaded A word. Historically, the only way women made it into the work place to jobs other than maids and secretaries was because of WWII, and then later once they were displaced by returning veterans, was by the sheer force and soon thereafter women were afforded a modicum of protection by the Employment Act. Personally I think even LBJ’s Herculean efforts would have been in vein in getting the Employment, Civil Rights and the Voter’s Rights Acts passed were it not for the intense social upheaval of the late 60’s. We’re lucky we aren’t still fighting those toe hold battles for all three basic civil liberties since we are in an uphill struggle to make at all three an actual reality still.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Give me a new word that fits and I'll use it....

Use the word/s they use to describe male promiscuity then. Cad, rake…..I can’t think of any more, and let’s face it, none of them have the same impact do they.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

If you don't think there's anything wrong with selling sex, then why SHOULD the word WHORE have a pejorative meaning?

Winner, winner, Hooker dinner.

Let me add, that in the real world, if a hooker gets offended by the word whore, on a whore board, she should look into another profession. Like licking my ass clean with her tongue for ten dollars an hour. How many whores you know will take that job?

This is like a bunch of white folk arguing that black folk should be offended when they call each other the 'n' word.

God Damn , this is like in the first chapter of Hooking 101. "There is no crying in Hookerville about being called a whore!"

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Except dictionary.com isn't exactly a recognized primary source. It's usually pretty good, but really just the Wikipedia of definitions.

If I'm writing an article on prostitution, I'm not going to cite dictionary.com any more than I'd seriously quote Urban Dictionary.

Someone already posted the Merriam Webster definition, I didn't pull the hard copy, but I'll assume they match. I'll stick with that definition.

xoxo,
LMx

Done.. and done. Notice that none of the naysayers who replied after bothered doing this... because they already know the formal definition, and what it would do to their argument. btw, I did Model UN in high school all 4 years... and we went to the national semifinals. Do you know how hard it is to get on the team that goes to Nationals as a freshman? This is me going easy on ya.

the thing that makes the word whore offensive in society is because of the act that whores do.. sex for money. We sleep with other people's boyfriends, husbands, dads, uncles, grandfathers, and sons.. for money. With no scruples other than them being able to pay, them not being the police, or bat shit crazy. Even the latter two are up for grabs sometimes. Go figure.

That is why the word is offensive; straight laced women, wives, girlfriend, and their families loathe us. Preachers preach against us but secretly love us (that's a story for later). It's not the word, it's like the word "shyster" for lawyer... what lawyer likes to be called that? Almost the same; it has a negative connotation and they whore and sell themselves for that money too. Most don't care if you are guilty or innocent, right or wrong, their job is to keep you out of shit.

Would you or that other whore be less offended if I referred to her as "Suck dick for cash prostitute"?.. it would be more factual.. and I can make that happen.


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1whore noun \ˈhȯr, ˈhu̇r\

Definition of WHORE

1
: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2
: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3
: a venal or unscrupulous person
See whore defined for English-language learners »
See whore defined for kids »
Examples of WHORE

<a historic district of the seaport that was once notorious for the whores who gathered there>
<a society in which men commonly regard women as either Madonnas or whores>
For writers, to blurb or not to blurb can be a tricky matter. … Blurb too often, or include too many blurbs on your book, and you might get called a blurb whore. —Rachel Donadio, New York Times Book Review, 17 Aug. 2008
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Origin of WHORE

Middle English hore, from Old English hōre; akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer, Latin carus dear — more at charity
First Known Use: before 12th century
Related to WHORE

Synonyms
bawd, call girl, cocotte, courtesan, drab, harlot, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, prostitute
Related Words
madam, madame; white slave; bimbo [slang], chippie (also chippy), doxy (also doxie), floozy (or floozie), tramp; bitch, hussy, jade, minx; coquette, flirt, libertine, siren, tempter, temptress, vamp, wench

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

lets go to synonyms

• prostitute

1
: to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2
: to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase <prostitute one's talents>
— pros·ti·tu·tor noun
Examples of PROSTITUTE

a writer who prostituted his talents by writing commercials
<a serious writer prostituting himself by writing pulp novels for money>
Origin of PROSTITUTE

Latin prostitutus, past participle of prostituere, from pro- before + statuere to station — more at pro-, statute
First Known Use: 1530
Related to PROSTITUTE

Synonyms
abase, bastardize, canker, cheapen, corrupt, debauch, degrade, demean, demoralize, deprave, deteriorate, lessen, pervert, poison, profane, debase, subvert, vitiate, warp
Antonyms
elevate, ennoble, uplift
Related Words
befoul, begrime, contaminate, defile, dilute, dirty, pollute, taint, thin, water down, weaken; descend; disgrace, dishonor, humble, humiliate, shame, take down; blemish, damage, deface, destroy, flaw, harm, hurt, impair, mar, ruin, spoil, stain, tarnish, wreck; depreciate, downgrade

• 2. courtesan

cour·te·san noun \ˈkȯr-tə-zən, -ˌzan also ˈkər-, -ˌzän; especially British ˌkȯr-tə-ˈzan\
: a woman who has sex with rich or important men in exchange for money : a prostitute who has sex with wealthy and powerful men

Full Definition of COURTESAN

: a prostitute with a courtly, wealthy, or upper-class clientele
See courtesan defined for English-language learners »
Examples of COURTESAN

<the protagonist of the novel is a composite of several real-life courtesans who plied their trade among the decadent aristocracy>
Origin of COURTESAN

Middle French courtisane, from northern Italian dialect form of Italian cortigiana woman courtier, feminine of cortigiano courtier, from corte court, from Latin cohort-, cohors
First Known Use: 1533
Related to COURTESAN

Synonyms
bawd, call girl, cocotte, prostitute, drab, harlot, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, whore
Related Words
madam, madame; white slave; bimbo [slang], chippie (also chippy), doxy (also doxie), floozy (or floozie), tramp; bitch, hussy, jade, minx; coquette, flirt, libertine, siren, tempter, temptress, vamp, wench

• 3. call girl

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call girl noun
: a prostitute who arranges to meet with men who call her on the telephone

Full Definition of CALL GIRL

: a prostitute with whom an appointment may be made by telephone
See call girl defined for English-language learners »
Examples of CALL GIRL

<before the actress made it big, she worked for a time as a call girl>
First Known Use of CALL GIRL

circa 1940
Related to CALL GIRL

Synonyms
bawd, prostitute, cocotte, courtesan, drab, harlot, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker,strumpet, tart, whore

• 4. harlot

har·lot noun \ˈhär-lət\

Definition of HARLOT

: prostitute
See harlot defined for English-language learners »
See harlot defined for kids »
Examples of HARLOT

<the touristy port town little resembled the haven for thieves, cutthroats, and harlots it had once been>
Origin of HARLOT

Middle English, rogue, buffoon, female prostitute, from Anglo-French herlot beggar, vagabond
First Known Use: 15th century
Related to HARLOT

Synonyms
bawd, call girl, cocotte, courtesan, drab, prostitute, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, whore
Related Words
madam, madame; white slave; bimbo [slang], chippie (also chippy), doxy (also doxie), floozy (or floozie), tramp; bitch, hussy, jade, minx; coquette, flirt, libertine, siren, tempter, temptress, vamp, wench


what you think is acceptable only applies to you, and means jack shit to anyone else, except those that choose to care.

[Guest062114-5]

Again, the multiquotes are a nightmare on my iPhone...Olivia, I'm not going to dwell on it. I'm not arguing, I'm merely stating (on this one point) why I'm right.

You said:

I don’t think anywhere have I indicated that I think you aren’t a critical thinker and a not only a good business woman but a fabulous promoter of yourself and your image. I also think I’ve made it clear I think you are a leader amongst the ECCIE community.

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Do you KNOW what the recognized meaning of "drinking the KoolAid" is?

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

Not the best source, but easily accessible, if you have a good primary source, I'll defer to it.

Maybe you didn't really understand the CONNOTATION of the phrase and just how offensive it could be in some circles...which is sort of funny in light of this thread.

But I said, it's all good. I don't think you intended it an insult, but rather you said it without thinking and without knowing that it I would take it as an insult. Accidents happen to all of us.

Carry on...

[Guest062114-5]

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

lets go to synonyms

• prostitute

1
: to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money
2
: to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase <prostitute one's talents>
— pros·ti·tu·tor noun
Examples of PROSTITUTE

a writer who prostituted his talents by writing commercials
<a serious writer prostituting himself by writing pulp novels for money>
Origin of PROSTITUTE

Latin prostitutus, past participle of prostituere, from pro- before + statuere to station — more at pro-, statute
First Known Use: 1530
Related to PROSTITUTE

Synonyms
abase, bastardize, canker, cheapen, corrupt, debauch, degrade, demean, demoralize, deprave, deteriorate, lessen, pervert, poison, profane, debase, subvert, vitiate, warp
Antonyms
elevate, ennoble, uplift
Related Words
befoul, begrime, contaminate, defile, dilute, dirty, pollute, taint, thin, water down, weaken; descend; disgrace, dishonor, humble, humiliate, shame, take down; blemish, damage, deface, destroy, flaw, harm, hurt, impair, mar, ruin, spoil, stain, tarnish, wreck; depreciate, downgrade

• 2. courtesan

cour·te·san noun \ˈkȯr-tə-zən, -ˌzan also ˈkər-, -ˌzän; especially British ˌkȯr-tə-ˈzan\
: a woman who has sex with rich or important men in exchange for money : a prostitute who has sex with wealthy and powerful men

Full Definition of COURTESAN

: a prostitute with a courtly, wealthy, or upper-class clientele
See courtesan defined for English-language learners »
Examples of COURTESAN

<the protagonist of the novel is a composite of several real-life courtesans who plied their trade among the decadent aristocracy>
Origin of COURTESAN

Middle French courtisane, from northern Italian dialect form of Italian cortigiana woman courtier, feminine of cortigiano courtier, from corte court, from Latin cohort-, cohors
First Known Use: 1533
Related to COURTESAN

Synonyms
bawd, call girl, cocotte, prostitute, drab, harlot, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, whore
Related Words
madam, madame; white slave; bimbo [slang], chippie (also chippy), doxy (also doxie), floozy (or floozie), tramp; bitch, hussy, jade, minx; coquette, flirt, libertine, siren, tempter, temptress, vamp, wench

• 3. call girl

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call girl noun
: a prostitute who arranges to meet with men who call her on the telephone

Full Definition of CALL GIRL

: a prostitute with whom an appointment may be made by telephone
See call girl defined for English-language learners »
Examples of CALL GIRL

<before the actress made it big, she worked for a time as a call girl>
First Known Use of CALL GIRL

circa 1940
Related to CALL GIRL

Synonyms
bawd, prostitute, cocotte, courtesan, drab, harlot, hooker, hustler, sex worker, streetwalker,strumpet, tart, whore

Thank you for doing the work for me, LD. This is my point. Technically, I fit into the categories of whore and courtesan. Though, COURTESAN is misused here more than WHORE so I don't think I'd be inclined to use that. Not here at least.

I don't however fit into prostitute or call girl.

Stay tuned for my COURTESAN thread! That's when I'll become the most hated poster on the board...so I will save that until I'm ready to leave.

xoxo,
LMx

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Again, the multiquotes are a nightmare on my iPhone...Olivia, I'm not going to dwell on it. I'm not arguing, I'm merely stating (on this one point) why I'm right.

You said:

I don’t think anywhere have I indicated that I think you aren’t a critical thinker and a not only a good business woman but a fabulous promoter of yourself and your image. I also think I’ve made it clear I think you are a leader amongst the ECCIE community.

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Do you KNOW what the recognized meaning of "drinking the KoolAid" is?

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination. It could also refer to knowingly going along with a doomed or dangerous idea because of peer pressure. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

Not the best source, but easily accessible, if you have a good primary source, I'll defer to it.

Maybe you didn't really understand the CONNOTATION of the phrase and just how offensive it could be in some circles...which is sort of funny in light of this thread.

But I said, it's all good. I don't think you intended it an insult, but rather you said it without thinking and without knowing that it I would take it as an insult. Accidents happen to all of us.

Carry on...

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

[SIZE=3]Then pick a different word. Why whore? There are like a million words to describe prostitutes that aren't inflammatory and meant to inflict the maximum pain: hooker, prostitute, slut, streetwalker, courtesan, provider, escort, pro, call girl, party girl, harlot (I like that one),

shhhh, Ol Ho's admitted personal favorite synonym that she prefers to whore is HARLOT, which Marriam Webster puts it's archaic definitions as:

Middle English, rogue, buffoon, female prostitute, from Anglo-French herlot beggar, vagabond

isn't it ironic, don't ya think?



another irony:

note that the definition and synonyms for prostitute does not include whore, but does include this W word: warp.

we all make justifications for what we want to do to make it 'feel' right.

Unfortunately reality and your 'feelings' are not always aligned.

Freud kept it real.

In psychology and logic, rationalization (also known as making excuses) is a defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are logically justified and explained in a rational or logical manner in order to avoid any true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable – or even admirable and superior – by plausible means.

that's one of the reasons why I say this whore is delusional.

[Eccie Addict]

Why ya gotta go and leave..... Plenty people start threads others don't like and are still welcomed here


Edit: Dammit LD I was trying to post under LM so I didn't have to quote :-/

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

LOL luv you EA