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[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

COG:

Do you not accept the study conclusion that "NO" explosives were present in the buildng's failure?

How does the NIST model differ from what happened?

Where does their model (report) say the lower floors should have collapsed first !

Where do you get your opinion that the lower floors should have collapsed first?

What do you mean by "unevenly"?

Why your citicism of the Government trying to explain what happened?

You're right, WW. Everyone knows that President Bush always told the truth, and never tried to hide anything from the American people. The 911 Commission explained everything fully, even though the Chairmen of the commission said they were frustrated by the lack of information the Bush Administration gave them. It's all true.

What total bullshit. You clowns simply accept what the media has told you, and if you question anything, you must be a "nut" or a "conspiracy theorist". Neither is the case. The way the building collapsed DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! And I want to know why. And a report from the Department of Commerce (Commerce? Really?) has little to no credibility. There are hundreds of structural engineers with the same questions.

You submit, conform, comply disciplined citizens are ridiculous. How DARE I ask a question! I must be a traitor if I want further explanation of the most significant event in my lifetime! Even though people get paid thousands of dollars to make a building collapse in it's own footprint, it is shocking that someone might wonder why THREE buildings, including the two tallest in the country, did so ACCIDENTALLY? Really? There is nothing more to the story?

Give me a fucking break. You people are amazing. But the government loves you, they can get away with anything, and you will believe their version. Good for you, you were made for a police state.

[WTF]

You are right COG, Bush was Hitler in a prior life and he tried to attack his own country so he could take it over from the inside. Bush and Osama are living in Dallas laughing at how they fooled us....

If you had an ounce of sense , you would at least see that there is no big love of government from either side by most posters in this forum. Your conclusion is beyond strange. We are government minions? Please...

[Whirlaway]

COG:

I don't accept "what the media or government" tells me.....and you shouldn't accept your sources either........

I asked you several reasonable questions...you don't want to answer, fine with me. You look like the jerk who is beleiveing what he is being fed (by some unnamed sources).

I wasn't challenging your questions; I am challening your assertions!

You asserted (or impled) that the NIST study is flawed. You won't say why you think so.....you just assert that it is. Because Bush lied presumably !

You assert that the building should have collapsed in some specialized manner, but you don't tell us why you think so or your source for such an assertion.

You assert that the Government is lying; but you never point out what the specific lie is, who is masterminding the lie, and why they would mastermind the lie.

You assert that the study models conflict with the study conclusions...but you don't provide the specific conflict.....I asked you "Where does their model (report) say the lower floors should have collapsed first ! A reasonable question to your assertion (note you are the one making the assertions).

You are not "asking questions"; you are making unfounded assertions that go against a set of facts; all of which you challenge without any outside corrobaration except your ridicoulas "questions".

Futhermore, when somebody asks reasonable questions of you; you go bonkers.

You are a blow hart sir.

[Missy Mariposa]

Originally Posted by WTF

Missy, no answer will ever satisfy you conspiracy theorist, none, nada, zero.

Who's being a conspiracy theorist? These are questions I have mostly stemming from information the government released. I just want answers to the questions.

There's nothing elaborate about them they were things that *should* have been answered by the 9/11 commission and weren't.

If the government answered these questions - with facts not "we have evidence, we'll show you later I swear" - I'd be completely satisfied.

It's not like I'm suggesting Bin Laden has been dead for 6 years and the guy in the videos is a stand in puppet blah blah - THAT'S a conspiracy theory.

What I have are reasonable questions. And I don't understand why asking pretty reasonable questions like "Why is the damage to the Pentagon smaller than the plane that hit it" or "Why can't we see that footage, but all of the other 9/11 footage was on constant loop for weeks" is a conspiracy theory. Or why was only part of the Pentagon damaged? There was only minor damage to the other rings, which should have been significantly more. Even 60 minutes called it "Miracle at the Pentagon". What's the actual reason for the items immediately next to the impact point/hole having no smoke or fire damage?

Why did we have to wait almost 10 years for ANY memorial for 9/11? If it was the worst terrorist attack on our soil, shouldn't a proper memorial (at all sites) be a little further up on the list? Even now I think only the Pentagon has a memorial, and from what I saw when I was there last year - it wasn't exactly all that great. It's benches.

BENCHES.

Asking for explanation of anomalies (and holes in a story) is not being a conspiracy theorist - it's just trying to get to the truth. I don't care if the truth is "The government did it" or "Bin Laden did it" or "Aliens did it". I just want to know what ACTUALLY happened, without the gaps, holes, and inconsistencies. Why is that so bad?

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

COG:

I don't accept "what the media" tells me.....and you shouldn't accept your sources either........

I asked you several reasonable questions...you don't want to answer, fine with me. You look like the jerk who is beleiveing what he is being fed (by some unnamed sources).

I wasn't challenging your questions; I am challening your assertions!

You asserted (or impled) that the NIST study is flawed. You won't say why you think so.....you just assert that it is.

You assert that the building should have collapsed in some specialized manner, but you don't tell us why you think so or your source for such an assertion.

You assert that the Government is lying; but you never point out what the specific lie is, who is masterminding the lie, and why they would mastermind the lie.

You assert that the study models conflict with with the study conclusions...but you don't provide the specific conflict.....I asked you "Where does their model (report) say the lower floors should have collapsed first ! A reasonable question to your assertion (note you are the one making the assertions).

You are not "asking questions" you are making unfounded assertions that go against a set of facts; all of which you challenge without any outside corrobaration except your ridicoulas "questions".

When somebody asks asks questions of you; you go bonkers.

You are a blow hart sir.

Look at their report. It even has the building falling unevenly. I looked at the criticisms of the Building 7 issue, and dismissed them, until I saw a video of its collapse. Buildings don't accidentally collapse like that. People get paid big money to get a building to collapse like that. I read the NIST (Department of Commerce, which has nothing to do with any of this) report, and it doesn't make sense. And what would happen if the Department of Commerce came out with a contradictory opinion to the 911 Commission. It's not going to happen, so they have no credibility.

My sources are my eyes and my common sense. Buildings don't fall like that accidentally. Period.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

Who's being a conspiracy theorist?

What I have are reasonable questions. And I don't understand why asking pretty reasonable questions like "Why is the damage to the Pentagon smaller than the plane that hit it" ?

Simple research will lead you to the truth. You CT do not seem to want to believe the truth....so there must be something sinister.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...myths-pentagon

Big Plane, Small Holes

Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile—part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."


Hole Truth: Flight 77's landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon's Ring C. (Photograph by Department of Defense)
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide—not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.


Read more: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - Pentagon - Popular Mechanics

[Whirlaway]

Ok; so your whole fucking conspiracy theory is based on the fact that Bulding 7 didn't fall according to the general rules of building collapse !

Great ! Nice thinking !

So you don't accept the report that no traces of explosives were found?

Do you believe explosives were used to bring Building 7 down?

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

You are right COG, Bush was Hitler in a prior life and he tried to attack his own country so he could take it over from the inside. Bush and Osama are living in Dallas laughing at how they fooled us....

If you had an ounce of sense , you would at least see that there is no big love of government from either side by most posters in this forum. Your conclusion is beyond strange. We are government minions? Please...

WTF, you are the worst one. You never make a substantive comment, and simply try to be as cute as you can be while dissing both sides of a conversation. I mean, really, spelling fuck "fuc"? What are you, a teenage girl?

You dance around everything all the while saying you're the smartest and most reasonable here. It's entertaining, but not much more. You'll be the Court Jester for the new Emperor.

[Whirlaway]

Your asserting that Building 7 collapse was a controled demoliton?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

My sources are my eyes and my common sense. Buildings don't fall like that accidentally. Period.

Good Lord, would you and Missy go get married already! .... in area 51 .

http://alien-ufo-research.com/alien_pictures/

Send us the pictures of your first born!...name it after JD if it looks like this!

[Whirlaway]

Were people paid to bring Building 7 down?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

WTF, you are the worst one. You never make a substantive comment, and simply try to be as cute as you can be while dissing both sides of a conversation. I mean, really, spelling fuck "fuc"? What are you, a teenage girl?

You dance around everything all the while saying you're the smartest and most reasonable here. It's entertaining, but not much more. You'll be the Court Jester for the new Emperor.

What substantive comment is to be made when the subject is UFO's and Elvis sightings!

]Oh and our own government blew up the WTC!


You sound like a kook and you want to jump my ass for laughing at you?

I though you were a peaceful man?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Were people paid to bring Building 7 down?

Yea...with vigins in the afterlife!... but not according to COG.

He seems to think David Copperfield brought it down with magic explosives

[CuteOldGuy]

I have no idea who blew up the buildings. I only know that buildings don't fall that way accidentally. But be happy with your strawmen, and be good citizens and never question the government. Like good little automatons.

I asked the question because I DON'T KNOW! And I would like to know how three buildings fell into their own footprint accidentally. I didn't question anything until I saw the Building 7 video. I may have been accidentally, but I haven't heard a plausible explanation.

But be happy with your strawmen, I hope you have a nice time together. I will send you a postcard from over here in Reality.

[CuteOldGuy]

You're making my case, WTF, you "fuc'r".