Help me to understand this!!!!

[Wile E Coyote]

No one can tell a provider what to charge, and if you do not care, then why post your opinion about what a guy should and pay to or tip other providers? I know you do care because you are ALWAYS one of the first providers if not only one, that chimes in her opinion about this subject.

I can afford any donation price out there, but what idiot pays it because they can afford it?

Other than upcharging for a particular service, if a provider tells you or you believe she is offering a better service at higher regular donation, then ask what she did for services when she had lower donation prices as opposed to what she wants now and compare the answers.

After you get the answers back, you will know why the OP asked the question in the title of this thread.

[Grace Preston]

Ooh-- hang on a sec....

Now-- I can offer a little bit of insight up to a certain price point when it comes to pricing differentials when ladies raise their rates.

Lets say SusieQ gets into the business and starts off charging $250. She doesn't have much of a wardrobe. New to the business. May not know much about TCB, how to run a business, how to dress. Social graces, etc.

Over time-- she works on how to properly run her business. Gets herself a solid wardrobe. Takes better care of her diet... her fitness. Improves her incall location. Improves her overall look and appearance. Improves her marketing, her pictures-- spends more on advertising. To me-- that's certainly worth the increase in rates...

Its not simply about the level of BCD service. There is only so much improvement overall that can be had in that area. Sure-- things can improve.. but only so much. And honestly-- with WEC's focus being solely on this area-- it also explains why he feels as he does about what he spends (and no, that isn't a dig on you- as I've said many times, every man hobbies for different reasons).

Many of the gentlemen who spend at the higher level are spending for the experience. They want the luxury experience-- the higher end incall. The impeccably dressed woman with high end clothing, lingerie, well manicured and groomed. Some of those same gents are the same ones who would drive to Nevada to drop 5 figures on an evening with Air Force Amy-- who is well into her late 50's-- just to be able to say they've done it. For some-- its just to be able to say they've had the experience. Its not about whether or not they could have had just as good a time for far less-- its about having THAT particular experience with THAT particular lady. Its what makes that particular guy tick.

[HotShot2]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Ooh-- hang on a sec....

For some-- its just to be able to say they've had the experience. Its not about whether or not they could have had just as good a time for far less-- its about having THAT particular experience with THAT particular lady. Its what makes that particular guy tick.

As someone newer to the scene, I'd argue the willingness to pay MORE is this ^^^.

The experience of the unknown lady or someone with a different background is exciting and to me justifies a bit more of an outlay. At least for a newbie.

I've maxed out at $500/hr for L3 and that was really nice to try something new and exotic. But my most frequent visits (so far) are to a L1 provider here in DFW @ $200/hr.

[oldbutstillgoing]

So wise Grace, as always.
If all you want is a hole to put it in, or someone to follow a script, then yes, why pay more? I have no problem with that. The problem is, those guys have a hard time, if at all, conceiving of why would guys want anything else. There have been times with Traylor Park Cassy was fine for the job. But as I have gotten older, the experience has become far more important. If I have to pay more so I can have what I want from whom I want it from, So be it. It's my money to spend.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Ooh-- hang on a sec....

Now-- I can offer a little bit of insight up to a certain price point when it comes to pricing differentials when ladies raise their rates.

Lets say SusieQ gets into the business and starts off charging $250. She doesn't have much of a wardrobe. New to the business. May not know much about TCB, how to run a business, how to dress. Social graces, etc.

Over time-- she works on how to properly run her business. Gets herself a solid wardrobe. Takes better care of her diet... her fitness. Improves her incall location. Improves her overall look and appearance. Improves her marketing, her pictures-- spends more on advertising. To me-- that's certainly worth the increase in rates...

Its not simply about the level of BCD service. There is only so much improvement overall that can be had in that area. Sure-- things can improve.. but only so much. And honestly-- with WEC's focus being solely on this area-- it also explains why he feels as he does about what he spends (and no, that isn't a dig on you- as I've said many times, every man hobbies for different reasons).

Many of the gentlemen who spend at the higher level are spending for the experience. They want the luxury experience-- the higher end incall. The impeccably dressed woman with high end clothing, lingerie, well manicured and groomed. Some of those same gents are the same ones who would drive to Nevada to drop 5 figures on an evening with Air Force Amy-- who is well into her late 50's-- just to be able to say they've done it. For some-- its just to be able to say they've had the experience. Its not about whether or not they could have had just as good a time for far less-- its about having THAT particular experience with THAT particular lady. Its what makes that particular guy tick.

So, it is not the BCD service per say, because the service is the same when the donation was half the price. And since it is not service that makes the experience better for donation prices to be higher, then it has to be that the hobbyist has to pay more so she can afford a better, higher priced incall that has has an elevator and more than a couple of stories, better make-up, well because the more expensive brands tend to give better coverage, and more expensive lingerie that hits the floor not 5 minutes into the session all make it a better experience for the hobbyist. Yet, I will bet that many of the providers do not upgrade their hotel rooms or get the more expensive lingerie and they are still charging those higher donation prices.


Higher prices rarely equal better service, all it does is give more regret to the hobbyist when the provider gives the same BCD service if not worse when you factor in the widely accepted YMMV card, when she charged half the rate for the same service/time frame.

While it is true that when you are talking about a famous porn star or the like, sure, guys will pay higher donation prices due to the name recognition and all for the bragging rights to say he has been with a real porn star, if that is his thing and fantasy. However, what we are talking about in this thread is providers who just start out in the business, ones who has been in it for a bit and last but certainly not least, fat, out of shape providers wanting $400-500+ for an hour.

[Grace Preston]

Oh I'm sure there are some improvements BCD-- experience does often improve technique-- but there is so much more that goes into an experience than just a checklist of activities. At least, for most people....

[GayleMeyers]

Originally Posted by slowmover

$15 in 1969 is $130 in todays dollars. Just saying.

Which means that $100 in 1969 is $866 in today's dollars, so
$400 an hour IS A BARGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[oldbutstillgoing]

Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

So, it is not the BCD service per say, because the service is the same when the donation was half the price for me. And since it is not service that makes the experience better for donation prices to be higher, then it has to be that I have to to pay more so she can afford a better, higher priced incall that has has an elevator and more than a couple of stories, better make-up, well because the more expensive brands tend to give better coverage, and more expensive lingerie that hits the floor not 5 minutes into the session all make it a better experience for the hobbyist but not me. Yet, I will bet that many of the providers do not upgrade their hotel rooms or get the more expensive lingerie and they are still charging those higher donation prices to me.


Higher prices rarely equal better service for me, all it does is give more regret to the me when the provider gives the same BCD service if not worse when you factor in the widely accepted YMMV card that I always seem to get, when she charged half the rate for the same service/time frame.

While it is true that when you are talking about a famous porn star or the like, sure, guys will pay higher donation prices due to the name recognition and all for the bragging rights to say he has been with a real porn star, if that is his thing and fantasy. However, what we are talking about in this thread is providers who just start out in the business, ones who has been in it for a bit and last but certainly not least, fat, out of shape providers wanting $400-500+ for an hour that I am too cheap to pay

Fixed some typos for you

[slowmover]

Originally Posted by GayleMeyers

Which means that $100 in 1969 is $866 in today's dollars, so
$400 an hour IS A BARGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

If I see 866/hr posted I know who to blame!

[suiram77]

Originally Posted by GayleMeyers

Which means that $100 in 1969 is $866 in today's dollars, so
$400 an hour IS A BARGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Facts, a big BARGAIN!!

[LustyBustyGina38FF]

Guess I can't chime in or have opinion about this subject LOL LOL LOL
Says the man who has opinion on just about every subject on this site and only this site LOL

[jp26lilac]

Yeah this post is pretty dumb,
Look providers do not have to justify their service fee to anyone. If you or anyone do not like their price or services included in the fee than just pass and move onto next.

Regarding hobbyists paying high amount, once again they do not have to justify how they spend their money to anyone. It is their money who cares unless it is someone you know.

[mtabsw]

A little off-topic, but I'd like my fellow hobbyists to consider the following:

You have to go to Walmart, and take the FIRST woman you see, regardless of weight, age, physical appearance etc and go make her believe for an hour that she is the MOST wonderful lover and prettiest girl you've ever seen.

AND you must give her at least one earth-moving orgasm.

Now come back and tell us how much money you'd need to do that 3-6 times a day.

[jonas1_2]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

Now come back and tell us how much money you'd need to do that 3-6 times a day.

Let's expound on this a bit. Because the more attractive you are, the more likely you're going to get a Yes from those women, and the more money you can charge for the same service. If you charge $600 per hour for 1 client, you've made the same amount of money as someone else who charged $100 per hour for 6 clients, but with a lot less time and effort invested.

So, suppose there's enough demand for you that whether you charge $100 or $600 for your service, you're still going to have at least one client see you that day. What idiot would charge that one client $100 when they could charge him $600?

If a provider is charging too much and not getting any business, they will figure that out pretty quickly themselves. If a provider's rates stay consistent, that probably means she's okay with her work:money ratio.

[Wile E Coyote]

Originally Posted by jp26lilac

Yeah this post is pretty dumb,
Look providers do not have to justify their service fee to anyone. If you or anyone do not like their price or services included in the fee than just pass and move onto next.

Regarding hobbyists paying high amount, once again they do not have to justify how they spend their money to anyone. It is their money who cares unless it is someone you know.

So essentially what you are saying is, it is not anyone's business why providers charge the hefty price tag nor is it anyone's business why guys would pay a high amount for basically an unknown.

Questioning why others do things is called trying to have an adult conversation, but as we all know, those do not exist on this board as there are always going to be those who insult others for having an opinion, twist words and outright lie to belittle others.

Grow up people.