No Indictment In New York

[Guest022016]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I didn't see anyone "mocking" you. But since it is typing on a page I could not determine the "tone" of what was said, which can make a difference. But ....

I just read a couple of articles about the black market street trade in smokes in New York, which apparently was on the rise from an increase in taxes that was "apparently" an attempt to reduce smoking .... by raising the cost. Even with the increase of "black market" sales (packs and "loosies") usage dropped.

But ... there are provisions in the law that require signage alerting to age requirements and substantial fines for failing to abide by the sales prohibitions to underage buyers as well as to selling with the tax certificates (which is a generally accepted practice for tobacco products as well as liquor, wine, and beer.)

Obviously poor people have less money to buy lots of things, including cigs. They may be impacted sooner than others ... with increased prices, but I didn't get that was the target of the law. I think it was generally directed to all those who smoke. Their increased health care costs due to continued smoking could easily justify an increase in cig taxes.

We can argue about the wisdom and effectiveness of the law, or even the focus of it, until the cows come home, but the point is ... it was in place and rather recently in place to be enforced. Kinda like those pesky stop signs! (red lights!) (speed limit signs).

Annoying as hell if you need a smoke. Fuckin' government control freaks.

I guess I fail to see the legitimacy of this law and I do strongly think it was imposed to specifically target the "lower class." I guess if I were tax payer in NYC I'd be slightly annoyed that so much time and money is spent chasing a man selling 75 cent loosies bc the article I read said he was out on bail, which means he went to jail on this ridiculous offense. Am i the only one that is bothered by the severity of this? After you purchase cigarettes don't they become personal property? Im not quite understanding how a law can be enforced dealing with the sale of your own personal property especially when the taxes have been paid on them, which is what they seem to be going crazy about. In a city, such as New York, I think it's very safe to say more important things were going on than the sale of a cigarette. Call me crazy. I guess I'm bothered a law is being implemented to dictate every aspect of our lives. I don't really feel that's the goal of a "free nation."

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I guess I fail to see the legitimacy of this law and I do strongly think it was imposed to specifically target the "lower class."

Whether the law has "legitimacy" or not is really irrelevant IMO and not something to be considered in the evaluation of the circumstances .. the level of offense may well be relevant to the level of force to be asserted ... as extremes go more force may be justified to stop a more serious offense.

But it appears the issue is whether or not the manner of restraint and the actions of the officers caused his death and whether those officers could have reasonably anticipated their actions would or might cause his death. Associated with the analysis is whether or not Garner was cooperating or resisting, and it appears he was not cooperating, but was resisting restraint by "recoiling" his hands and raising them up in an attempt to avoid being cuffed. (Please don't give me the "hands up don't shoot" crap, ok?)

If you look at his wrists and the thickness of his arms he is a BIG MAN. Ties might have to be used to restrain him and that takes more "control" of his body than cuffs, which can be "slapped" on his wrists. I'm not sure standard cuffs would have closed. If they did they would have extremely tight. ???

That stuff is not WWW (wrestling) it's real...

.....and if he is out on bond, you said? The probably cause mounts.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

Im not quite understanding how a law can be enforced dealing with the sale of your own personal property especially when the taxes have been paid on them, .....

Are you sure the NYC (or NY State) taxes were paid?

[Guest022016]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Are you sure the NYC (or NY State) taxes were paid?

I've been looking. Apparently, most "loosie" sellers will have them shipped from out of state but are legally paid for. I guess I had no clue such a law existed and its still crazy to me that cigarettes are being treated similarly to serious drug offenses. I have found numerous sources stated he died from the chokehold and his autopsy was ruled homicide. You are correct that he was resisting but it was the lesser one which did not warrant the reaction from the officer. It is unfathomable to me he is dubbed a criminal for selling cigarettes. I understand laws are needed to protect ppl from harm but still researching a good reason to impose this law other than the government wanting their money. If it were a health concern they'd just completely ban them so I will not accept that for an answer. This is why I haven't researched any political matters for a couple years cause it's just infuriating.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I've been looking. Apparently, most "loosie" sellers will have them shipped from out of state but are legally paid for. I guess I had no clue such a law existed and its still crazy to me that cigarettes are being treated similarly to serious drug offenses.

When you say "shipped" the information I found described sellers traveling to another state to purchase and then "smuggling" them back into NY to avoid the tax, which drive's up the price. We can't do that in Texas from Mexico with "contraband" .... for instance booze .... and we have "duty free" stores at the airport for international travelers. We have Indian stores for cigs, but they are not for "resale" ... cigs, cigars, booze, all get special taxes on them with stickers showing the taxes are paid. Then they are taxed retail. It's not new.

BTW: "loosies" are not treated "similarly to serious drug offenses" ... Don't know where you got that .. it's fine only. Garner's problem was (and is) he had multiple arrests, apparently. I also saw an article where he was operating next to a known seller of nontaxed cigs .. who had a booth there.

What do you want the police to do? Just let him walk away?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

If it were a health concern they'd just completely ban them so I will not accept that for an answer. This is why I haven't researched any political matters for a couple years cause it's just infuriating.

You mean if cigarettes were a "health concern" they would be banned?

With all due respect ... you don't do much "health concern" research either!

Have lovely holidays this year.

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by boardman

The law making it illegal to sell loose cigs is stupid. It's just another power and money grab by out of control politicians. They bill it as a law to prevent minors from smoking. There are already laws that are designed to do that. Enforce those. Is there something inherently wrong with me walking up to a guy on the street and giving him a quarter for a smoke? No. But because we won't enforce the laws we have we have to enact ones that go further in stepping on our freedom.


Normally what Jon Stewart does ARE bits so I don't give them much attention.
That's probably the most sincere commentary I've seen from Stewart. Granted, I don't watch him a lot.

I didnt see anything to indicate the need of force by the cops, but perhaps he didnt do what they said to do, in which case force was necessary, but news stations don't rely facts anymore. they are all about hype/sound bites. to get ratings and sell ad space.

I agree about the loose cigs, I found this tidbit about drugs to show how much the rights of the public are violated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yYJ_oV6xk

we can't smoke drug "X", but it's ok to smoke the gov. drugs and drink them as well.
I dont condone doing drugs, but I don't like rights being trampled on

Jon stewart is a good place to get news, if you dont watch it, no one cares
but his bits give good news...

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I'm not sure I FEEL a specific way. If i were a man would you ask what do I think instead?

If you were right minded, I would ask you what you think. Man or woman... That being said. How do you FEEL about the article?

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/...red-by-blacks/

Media refuses to report on white cop that was kidnapped/murdered by blacks
Imagine if four white police officers kidnapped and murdered a black male. It would be the biggest news story in America for a year.

Yet last May four black males actually kidnapped a white Waynesboro, VA police officer and murdered him. It has been a heavily censored “hush crime.” Even local media pieces censored all details about the perps. The media desperately doesn’t want the public to know. Only websites, such as this one have covered it.

However, a small daily paper out of Lowell, Massachusetts published a letter to the editor about the racial hate crime murder this weekend.

Do not underestimate the power of letters to the editor. More people read letters to the editor than the news. All conservative activists should consider sending letters to the editor to their local papers.

[JimBob1950]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

If you were right minded, I would ask you what you think. Man or woman... That being said. How do you FEEL about the article?

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/...red-by-blacks/

Media refuses to report on white cop that was kidnapped/murdered by blacks
Imagine if four white police officers kidnapped and murdered a black male. It would be the biggest news story in America for a year.

Yet last May four black males actually kidnapped a white Waynesboro, VA police officer and murdered him. It has been a heavily censored “hush crime.” Even local media pieces censored all details about the perps. The media desperately doesn’t want the public to know. Only websites, such as this one have covered it.

However, a small daily paper out of Lowell, Massachusetts published a letter to the editor about the racial hate crime murder this weekend.

Do not underestimate the power of letters to the editor. More people read letters to the editor than the news. All conservative activists should consider sending letters to the editor to their local papers.

It's an unfortunate event. I don't watch mainstream media, I don't even have cable. I will not waste time splitting hairs. Everything is in this country is controlled by the Powers that Be. There is no right and left...Obama, jackson, sharpton (all puppets)...90% of the US media sources...all controlled by the top 1-3%...that particular case is not being publicized simply bc it doesn't fit their agenda. Racism certainly exists but as far as hate crimes are concerned everyone is targeted. Is it sad that man didn't receive proper attention? Yes. But he's not the only one. I could easily go find 100 more recent tragedies that no one has ever heard of 50black cases/50 white cases. I do not like that the article says, "but i guess it is ok to kill a police officer, especially a white one." The 2 other cases that have been discussed today I could easily say, "it's ok to kill a man, especially a black one." It's so pointless to argue these things nothing will ever get accomplished by doing so except becoming blue in the face. The simple point everyone (hopefully) can agree on is it's not ok to kill anyone.

If your argument is that you're not satisfied with what is being reported in the media then I would demand to end the the monopoly on media. 6 corporations control the information you receive it's undoubtedly going to biased. It is a form of control (information control) and why everyone is so hung up on the menial details that just keep everyone spinning in circles.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by JimBob1950

It's an unfortunate event. I don't watch mainstream media, I don't even have cable. I will not waste time splitting hairs. Everything is in this country is controlled by the Powers that Be. There is no right and left...Obama, jackson, sharpton (all puppets)...90% of the US media sources...all controlled by the top 1-3%...that particular case is not being publicized simply bc it doesn't fit their agenda. Racism certainly exists but as far as hate crimes are concerned everyone is targeted. Is it sad that man didn't receive proper attention? Yes. But he's not the only one. I could easily go find 100 more recent tragedies that no one has ever heard of 50black cases/50 white cases. I do not like that the article says, "but i guess it is ok to kill a police officer, especially a white one." The 2 other cases that have been discussed today I could easily say, "it's ok to kill a man, especially a black one." It's so pointless to argue these things nothing will ever get accomplished by doing so except becoming blue in the face. The simple point everyone (hopefully) can agree on is it's not ok to kill anyone.

If your argument is that you're not satisfied with what is being reported in the media then I would demand to end the the monopoly on media. 6 corporations control the information you receive it's undoubtedly going to biased. It is a form of control (information control) and why everyone is so hung up on the menial details that just keep everyone spinning in circles.

[B,+1[/B]

JimBob nailed it. How do I feel about it? I'd like to feel about MissSara!

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I guess I fail to see the legitimacy of this law and I do strongly think it was imposed to specifically target the "lower class." I guess if I were tax payer in NYC I'd be slightly annoyed that so much time and money is spent chasing a man selling 75 cent loosies bc the article I read said he was out on bail, which means he went to jail on this ridiculous offense. Am i the only one that is bothered by the severity of this? After you purchase cigarettes don't they become personal property? Im not quite understanding how a law can be enforced dealing with the sale of your own personal property especially when the taxes have been paid on them, which is what they seem to be going crazy about. In a city, such as New York, I think it's very safe to say more important things were going on than the sale of a cigarette. Call me crazy. I guess I'm bothered a law is being implemented to dictate every aspect of our lives. I don't really feel that's the goal of a "free nation."

Last summer a pack of cigs cost 14.50 in NYC, The current price has gone down to 12.85, so if Garner was selling loosies for .75 twenty would be 15.00 and he's making a profit without paying the taxes or maybe he didn't have a peddlers license which is required to sell a product on the street corner of NYC. But this isn't what's important in this case.

Jim

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

But this isn't what's important in this case.

Jim

It wasn't a concern by the same people in the Michael Brown case. In fact the media circulated (with the help of the race baiters) that Wilson didn't know about the robbery or didn't have any descriptive information on the actor (an allegation that I originally questioned because of radio, cell, and data transmission capabilities in patrol units) and kept trying to report and sell the story that all Brown was doing was walking down the middle of the street (as his only "violation" known to Wilson).

Now the crime is a big deal....because it's so "inconsequential" and "wrong."

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigcockpussylicker

I didnt see anything to indicate the need of force by the cops, but perhaps he didnt do what they said to do, in which case force was necessary, ..... .

BINGO!!!

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

BINGO!!!

How many days each week do you play BINGO with your fellow nursing home residents?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bigtex

How many days each week do you play BINGO with your fellow nursing home residents?

I didn't know BINGO was played in nursing homes. How come you do?

You really are shallow minded. Like blank!

Still drinking this morning?