NOT A GOOD MORNING FOR HILLARY !!!!!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Apparently, neither does the electorate.

Well they elected Bush, W twice

[CuteOldGuy]

That only supports my contention.

[WTF]

I was hoping you'd see it that way...but you never know with you fence sitters!

[timpage]

The reality is her testimony wasn't the event that the GOP was hoping for....even that fucking creepy looking Rand Paul admitted she was right about what the true objective of the committee investigation should be....how to prevent this shit from happening in the future. At best it was a wash....all you idiots crowing about how well you thought it went are just like most typical old male republicans....Hillary came across as well-informed and she chewed the Wisconsin guy's head off. McCain came across like he always does these days....a burnt out bitter grumpy old loser.

The reality is that mistakes were made in regard to the level of security that was available to the embassy. All the rest is made-up political bullshit by a party desperate for an issue to utilize to try to create a fake scandal for political gain.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Well they elected Bush, W twice

The alternatives were Gore and Kerry: so what else can you expect?

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

I was hoping you'd see it that way...but you never know with you fence sitters!

That also shows I'm not a fence sitter. But you can keep lying about me, for some delusional reason, you get something out of it.

But a fence sitter is one who can't make up his mind, and goes back and forth between two alternatives. I don't do that. I have made up my mind. I support neither major party candidate, and haven't since McGovern.

There's no fence near where I am.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The alternatives were Gore and Kerry: so what else can you expect?

Better choice?

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

That also shows I'm not a fence sitter. But you can keep lying about me, for some delusional reason, you get something out of it.

But a fence sitter is one who can't make up his mind, and goes back and forth between two alternatives. I don't do that. I have made up my mind. I support neither major party candidate, and haven't since McGovern.

There's no fence near where I am.

There are only two parties with a chance to win. All else is fence sitting. The people voting for Ross in '92, were really voting for Clinton.

They were fence sitters too, that did not realize they were.

[CuteOldGuy]

Clearly, WPF, you do not comprehend the definition of fence-sitter, any more than you comprehend "strawman". But never mind. Stay ignorant. You calling me a fence sitter doesn't make me one, except in your reality, of course!

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by timpage

I certainly don't deny that both sides play the game. The point is that nothing of any real value will come out of these hearings. I guess Rand Paul got to pretend that he might be President some day and would get to fire somebody.

Speaking of which, I also find it just a bit hypocritical that Rand Paul is calling for all sorts of action by the State Department to prevent these types of things from happening in the future....while also proposing that the State Department budget be cut by $20 billion. Which is pretty close to half of what they get to operate.

Just because nothing of value will be uncovered from these hearings, doesn't mean something suspicious didn't happen.

[essence]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

That also shows I'm not a fence sitter. But you can keep lying about me, for some delusional reason, you get something out of it.

But a fence sitter is one who can't make up his mind, and goes back and forth between two alternatives. I don't do that. I have made up my mind. I support neither major party candidate, and haven't since McGovern.

There's no fence near where I am.

You don;t like it up you?

[Guest123018-4]

Hillary fucked up and could not manage the State Department or have people working under her that were of any help. this leads me to believe that she has very poor judgement and managerial skills but then again so doe3s Obama.
She was responsible for killing Americans and Obama executes citizens without trial.
She did however protect her boss by not directly implicating him and only referring to what she was told to do as following the processes. This leads me to believe that this administration has ready made cover-up stories to throw out whenever needed.

Like I have said before....Propaganda you can believe in.

[tttalinky]

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

My thoughts:
Her admission that she is responsible for mismanagement of the State department will all but kill her chances for a presidential run, except of course that Democrats don't care about character or integrity or the ability to do the job.

Republicans only care about it when it's a Democrat apparently. Hillary was in charge when there was a terrorist attack on a secondary diplomatic facility, not an embassy and not even really a consulate (technically it was a 'diplomatic mission') and four people died as a result. She took responsibility though the Libyan government was mainly responsible for protecting the facility and there was no advanced indication that it might be attacked, though there were other attacks on diplomats in Libya that could be seen as indicators.

George Bush was in charge when 9/11 happened and we had intelligence that something big was going to be tried even if we didn't know what it might be. George Bush took no responsibility for allowing the attack to happen and if that isn't mismanagement I don't know what is. On top of that how about Rummy's leadership during the attack on Iraq? Where were the flowers we were supposed to be greeted with? How about all the other rosy predictions by Rummy, Bush and Cheney that never took place? Millions in cash going missing? That was all on a scale thousands of times bigger than Benghazi and not a peep from the Bush/Romney apologists.

We have never heard a one of you righty's call that mismanagement, though most of the world knows it was. Instead you either blindly defend (as you accuse us of doing for Obama) or say that it is past and no one should point fingers (sweep it under the carpet). Again, you all are the biggest lot of frauds and hypocrites the world has ever seen (well maybe not, but that we've seen lately). Shit, you hate Obama and his policies even when he adopts policies the right and Republicans supported until just recently. How insane it that? You were for it before Obama became for it and not you are against it. Talk to yourselves in the mirror much?

When you get to a point where you can at least acknowledge a little reality, those of us on the left can rationally discuss the many areas we don't agree with what Obama has done and may be doing, but until that time comes we will defend that he is a much better choice than Bush, Romney, McCain or anyone on the right could ever be.

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Hillary fucked up and could not manage the State Department or have people working under her that were of any help. this leads me to believe that she has very poor judgment and managerial skills but then again so doe3s Obama.
She was responsible for killing Americans and Obama executes citizens without trial.
She did however protect her boss by not directly implicating him and only referring to what she was told to do as following the processes. This leads me to believe that this administration has ready made cover-up stories to throw out whenever needed.

Like I have said before....Propaganda you can believe in.

By your logic Bush was responsible for killing over 3000 Americans in 9/11 alone if you don't count the wars. How about his judgment and managerial skills? It will be amusing just to watch how you twist into knots to justify that.

If you want to talk about lies as far as Benghazi how about the lies on WMD that caused a war? The lies that were given to Colin Powell to propagate at the UN? The lies Condi Rice told? Just all goes back to the hypocrisy of the right.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by tttalinky

No I think this is what BigTex is envisioning with the Hillary worship