Are muslims unfairly Demonized????

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Stanfeld

...no longer be considered a Texan

Huh? No idea what this means...

Originally Posted by richard mcbeef

Why do liberals demand tolerance for an extremely intolerant culture.

I'm wondering if you parsed this sentence before you posted it...

P.S.-What was your previous handle?

[Stanfeld]

and a lot of the world's Texans

Huh? No idea what this means...

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Stop putting words in my mouth, idiot.

I never said that ONLY Muslims have committed atrocities. I simply pointed out that Muslims are WAY AHEAD of Christians and all others on the killing scale.

This is because Mohammed, unlike Christ, was not just a religious leader. He was also a military, political, and social leader of his tribes of Arabs. And like most authoritarian political leaders, he used religion as a tool of control and subjugation. So control, domination, and elimination of others is woven through every aspect of his "teachings".

On the other hand, Christ died the squalid death of a common criminal.

And, considering all the past squabbles we have had over the idiocy of creationism, I cannot believe that it is me that is standing up for Christians this time instead of you. What happened? Are you converting to Islam?

I'm pretty much an atheist, so I don't have any skin in the game. But I definitely know who worries me more: Muslims. Not Jews, Christians, or Buddhists.

My apologies for the bad language- but can you tell me why muslims worry you more? Or are you referring just to radicals?

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by boardman

WE, You seemed to be relatively well versed in the Quran, Hadiths and the Holy Bible.

Tell me what Judeo-Christian principle equates with takkiya.

Boardman-you are proven my point- Takkiya is more so a Shia belief where you are allowed to "lie" in order to save you or someone from death or harm. It's not an Islamic principle.

Groups like ISIS and Al-queada or Boko Haram can't justify their actions by the Quran- they usually follow the beliefs or the words of the Hadiths. Many things that these terrorist groups perform are forbidden by the Quran.


The Quran if you actually read the book forbids many things that current radicals support: ur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.


The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”


What has happened over the years is radicals have exploited Islam and they do the exact opposite of what is written in the Quran and they(Terrorist) think they are the better muslims.

Keep in mind guys there are soldiers of muslim faith who fight in our military.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by Stanfeld

Huh? No idea what this means...

You missed the joke...ask any native Texan...no matter where they are, or how long they're there, they're always a Texan...

[JD Barleycorn]

So WE, besides sounding like a Muslim apologist, insists that the actions of a few muslims are not indicative of all Muslims. Why doesn't he think that same way about Republicans. Racism? Bigotry? Stupidity? Hypocrisy? All of the above?

[Stanfeld]

Excuse me, I did know what you meant - it was a joke...ask any native Texan...no matter where they are, or how long they're there, they're always a Texan...

fyc

Thanks for exp8tiating...

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

....The Mexican Drug Cartels in Mexico are just as violent as ISIS and Boko Haram and they(Drug Cartels) have been beheading and brutally killing innocent people way before Boko Haram and ISIS formed- so is it fair to label all Mexicans as brutal killers. In the long run the drug cartels have a bigger impact in the USA than either ISIS or Boko Haram.

This thread is full of false analogies. Comparing the actions of drug cartels to a religious group that often doubles as a government has to top it.

[JD Barleycorn]

In response to the OP....I think that Muslims are fairly demonized just as the German people were during World War II when they allowed a minority party to drag the nation into a war.

[MaxiMilyen]

All religions have agendas, misinterpret scriptures, advocate separation due to belief. When will it ever be good enough not to force our wills upon one another? Never. Cause we allow parents, politicians, teachers, to impose their will. It's what we learned and what we know. Advocating peace and acceptance is not conducive to having power and money, ask any military leader, politician, etc... As long as we allow X to buck up for maniacal ego driven reasons, and Y believes his balls are bigger, there's gonna be all kinda stuff wrong with the world. Hunger, Racism, Oppression, etc.....

As evidenced by this thread, change ain't gonna happen in our life times. LOL And it's our own durn fault, because rather than taking stances against those imposing their will and prowess, we just argue about these things in our various communities, go home and impose our will on our children. So, no change in individuals, means no change in the whole.....

If we are unable to identify the enemy within a group, the whole group will be suspect and treated as such....does history not prove this? Has the concept changed whether we understand it's wrong or not? No, because fear drives these things.....sigh.

But Hey...take my .02 for what it's worth.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

All religions have agendas, misinterpret scriptures, advocate separation due to belief. When will it ever be good enough not to force our wills upon one another? Never. Cause we allow parents, politicians, teachers, to impose their will. It's what we learned and what we know. Advocating peace and acceptance is not conducive to having power and money, ask any military leader, politician, etc... As long as we allow X to buck up for maniacal ego driven reasons, and Y believes his balls are bigger, there's gonna be all kinda stuff wrong with the world. Hunger, Racism, Oppression, etc.....

As evidenced by this thread, change ain't gonna happen in our life times. LOL And it's our own durn fault, because rather than taking stances against those imposing their will and prowess, we just argue about these things in our various communities, go home and impose our will on our children. So, no change in individuals, means no change in the whole.....

If we are unable to identify the enemy within a group, the whole group will be suspect and treated as such....does history not prove this? Has the concept changed whether we understand it's wrong or not? No, because fear drives these things.....sigh.

But Hey...take my .02 for what it's worth.

Children need forceful guidance. Children need to be socialized and learn right from wrong. It is the duty of the parent to teach their children right from wrong.

There's a thread in the National Sandbox entitled "Most Depressing Movies". One of the movies discussed was one called Grave of the Fireflies. It's the story of a young, twelve year old Japanese boy, Seita, and his four year old sister, Setsuko.

Seita shirks his responsibilities and rebels against his domineering aunt. Seita and his sister leave his aunt's home ostensibly to live with another relative, but, instead, they find refuge in an abandoned shelter where they make a home and starve. The sister dies because the boy cannot take care of her. Then the boy dies, because he cannot take care of himself. Hence, they were sacrificed to Seita's own, immature vanity, because Seita refused to submit to the will of his elders who were wiser.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Children need forceful guidance. Children need to be socialized and learn right from wrong. It is the duty of the parent to teach their children right from wrong.

There's a thread in the National Sandbox entitled "Most Depressing Movies". One of the movies discussed was one called Grave of the Fireflies. It's the story of a young, twelve year old Japanese boy, Seita, and his four year old sister, Setsuko.

Seita shirks his responsibilities and rebels against his domineering aunt. Seita and his sister leave his aunt's home ostensibly to live with another relative, but, instead, they find refuge in an abandoned shelter where they make a home and starve. The sister dies because the boy cannot take care of her. Then the boy dies, because he cannot take care of himself. Hence, they were sacrificed to Seita's own, immature vanity, because Seita refused to submit to the will of his elders who were wiser.

Let's agree to disagree, children need to be allowed to live their will. They should be mentored and guided, and allowed to see and experience for themselves, not what we perceive or experience, but what they perceive feels right for themselves. Why would you force a kid to go to church or learn things in schools exactly as everyone else and on everyone else's timeline. We are individuals, our wills belong to us, not anyone else. Would ya say that those raised as Muslims being taught to hate all religions but their own, in a violent household inciting death of infidels was the only way, breeds a loving person who knows better? IMO.... No, because what they knew was wrong was squashed by the parent's will.

Edit: would it make sense to say a rebellious child, not being allowed to live his will, because he felt the will he was being told to live felt wrong, might end up in a predicament? Allowing us to be who we are meant to be, is kinda important....ijs

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by MaxiMilyen

Let's agree to disagree, children need to be allowed to live their will. They should be mentored and guided, and allowed to see and experience for themselves, not what we perceive or experience, but what they perceive feels right for themselves. Why would you force a kid to go to church or learn things in schools exactly as everyone else and on everyone else's timeline. We are individuals, our wills belong to us, not anyone else. Would ya say that those raised as Muslims being taught to hate all religions but their own, in a violent household inciting death of infidels was the only way, breeds a loving person who knows better? IMO.... No, because what they knew was wrong was squashed by the parent's will.

Children siring children who become children who kill other children is the product of allowing children "to live their will."

Chicago this past weekend:

A 16-year-old boy was shot in the left buttocks and a 17-year-old girl was shot in the right leg, Alfaro said. The third person, a 20-year-old man, was shot in the lower back.

A 17-year-old boy was killed in a Gage Park neighborhood shooting on the South Side Friday evening.

A 17-year-old boy was shot in a Sunday afternoon drive-by attack in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood on the Southwest Side.

A 15-year-old boy was shot Sunday evening in the Austin neighborhood on the West Side.

18-year-old Bernard Pippen lying on the ground with a gunshot wound to the neck

[boardman]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Boardman-you are proven my point- Takkiya is more so a Shia belief where you are allowed to "lie" in order to save you or someone from death or harm. It's not an Islamic principle.

Groups like ISIS and Al-queada or Boko Haram can't justify their actions by the Quran- they usually follow the beliefs or the words of the Hadiths. Many things that these terrorist groups perform are forbidden by the Quran.


The Quran if you actually read the book forbids many things that current radicals support: ur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.


The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”


What has happened over the years is radicals have exploited Islam and they do the exact opposite of what is written in the Quran and they(Terrorist) think they are the better muslims.

Keep in mind guys there are soldiers of muslim faith who fight in our military.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...83227/taqiyyah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm

The references above disprove your statements. The wiki article is well referenced. The last link is from an apparent Islamic website The religion of peace. It sounds to me like lying about Islam to further the cause of Islam is allowed and maybe even encouraged.

Christianity does not have a similar doctrine. Just the opposite in fact. Christians are taught that the second most important commandment is to love their neighbor as they do themselves. Jesus doesn't say to love only your Christian brothers. That would seem to be in direct conflict with the doctrine of Takkiya.

It is a fact that we tend to most fear that which we understand the least. Can you understand how it is that Christians have a hard time understanding Islam when the links that I posted above and many more as well as the recent acts of Muslims in the name if Islam seem to disprove what Muslims say about being peaceful especially in light of the fact that they have doctrine saying it's ok to lie about it?

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Children siring children who become children who kill other children is the product of allowing children "to live their will."

Chicago this past weekend:

I can see you didn't get my point. Yours is valid to you. Thanks for the education.