This might be a big mistake...

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

"Southern gentlemen" hanging rebel flags outside their homes, but that doesn't mean their feelings aren't aligned that way. What is in one's heart is not always what is on one's sleeve.

Before I answer you Charles, would you please explain what those aligned feelings are.

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by WTF

I will second your assumption.

I'm sure y'all know the definition of "assume"...

[AveryMoore]

Originally Posted by Ansley

After several visits it seems a professional therapist would have gotten way past what a client is wearing.

My only point was that there are situations in other service industries (therapy, law) where a professional can excuse themselves from serving someone not because they are trying to be nasty to the (potential) client, but because they recognize that their own limitations would not allow them to serve that person as fully as they deserve.

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

My only point was that there are situations in other service industries (therapy, law) where a professional can excuse themselves from serving someone not because they are trying to be nasty to the (potential) client, but because they recognize that their own limitations would not allow them to serve that person as fully as they deserve.

Fair enough. Sorry I jumped to conclusions yesterday.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

My only point was that there are situations in other service industries (therapy, law) where a professional can excuse themselves from serving someone not because they are trying to be nasty to the (potential) client, but because they recognize that their own limitations would not allow them to serve that person as fully as they deserve.

And now the (il)logical assumption circle of life is complete. You assume that a rebel flag means she won't see blacks, you then won't see clients that see her assuming that they agree with your assumption of her and choose to see her regardless. Now some may not see you because you assume to much and some will. But my assumption is that most guys think with their weenie, not their moral code.

Question....even if your assumption is correct and I don't know that it is. How is it ok for you to pick and choose who to see based on assumption and not her without being speculated on? Don't get me wrong, I believe that any girl working in this industry can choose not to see anyone for any reason and not have to explain it to anyone.

[nevergaveitathought]

i remember a Christmas, when i was a kid, there were four of us kids and the presents we received were four bags of army men, not WWII army men, they were civil war army men, two bags of confederates, two bags of yankees. thats all we received.

we were/are texans...we weren't yankees for sure. my older brother and I claimed the confederate army men and that left my younger sister and little brother to be the yankees.

we played forever with those army men.

our love of the confederate army men had absolutely nothing to do with slavery, it had to do with being Texans and NOT being a yankee. we never thought about slavery, talked about slavery, considered anyone less than us, four poor kids with nothing, we just loved our part of the country and what we dreamed was our heritage.

that flag can mean many things to different people, to us it meant the south and Texas and nothing more. it wasnt anti-the United States or anti- blacks or pro slavery or anything other than maybe it was anti-yankee, which we never equated with being anti-america because we were american and loved america, only rebel americans in our way of thinking and certainly we were NOT yankee.

George Washington is referred to as the Father of our Country. Our country was formed by the agreement of independent states. Washington was from Virginia. Robert E. Lee was descended from revolutionary war heros and he grew up not too far from Mount Vernon, in Arlington, Virginia, and he married the granddaughter of Martha Washington. He agonized in his home, which now is Arlington Cemetery, over which entity to serve, the remaining states of what had been the United States, or his beloved state of Virginia. I sometimes wonder what George Washington's decision would have been had he been faced with that dilemma. The considerations at the time were more than slavery .

I understand the feeling people have developed against that flag, and I understand some people's reactions to it. In a perfect world every side would show understanding and sensitivity to how things were. The display of the confederate flag may certainly be nothing more than the love and devotion to heritage and is not anti black/pro slavery...MERELY ANTI YANKEE..lol.

[Ansley]

Great post nevergaveitathought!

[Guest030911]

WOW! Freakin Wow.

People, just step back and look at what you are arguing about and where you are arguing about it....

Is it worth the time and energy trying to change others or explain your attitudes and beliefs about a symbol which has different meanings to different people on a SHMB? Really?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by cpi3000

WOW! Freakin Wow.

People, just step back and look at what you are arguing about and where you are arguing about it....

Is it worth the time and energy trying to change others or explain your attitudes and beliefs about a symbol which has different meanings to different people on a SHMB? Really?

Well we got you to chime in!

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Ansley

Great post nevergaveitathought!

it feels somehow so good to get your praise

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by cpi3000

WOW! Freakin Wow.

People, just step back and look at what you are arguing about and where you are arguing about it....

Is it worth the time and energy trying to change others or explain your attitudes and beliefs about a symbol which has different meanings to different people on a SHMB? Really?

I love it when people waist time and energy to point out how other people are wasting time and energy.

Thanks for interrupting a fairly civil discussion.

[Sa_artman]

Well, going back to your original post Avery, it seems as though regardless of what is said you have strong feelings and an aversion to the flag. No matter what the reasons for display are, if you feel that strongly about it and it's rooted in your mind, then unless your willing to change your feelings I think your decisions should be rather straightforward based on that. You asked for people's opinions on the flag and got a pretty good cross section, and from I gather, it didn't change your perception any. I dated a woman long ago whose family raced cars, drank lots of beer, and used a confederate flag as wall decor. They were Hispanic. Go figure. I doubt they knew a lot of history or cared, but it gave them a sense of pride. I didn't judge (could be because I was getting laid, don't remember). I think you would be missing out on a lot of good company if you let that predisposed idea keep you from making contact.

[discreetgent]

Here is a great example of how presentation can overwhelm message - whatever the message may be.

Yes, I know the link is from the NY Times which some may automatically skip because of its liberal leanings, worth checking out though I think it makes a good point

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...river-city/?hp

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

In a perfect world every side would show understanding and sensitivity to how things were. The display of the confederate flag may certainly be nothing more than the love and devotion to heritage and is not anti black/pro slavery...MERELY ANTI YANKEE..lol.

So...what is it about us Yanks that has you anti? And is "anti" akin to hate, dislike, or what?

[Ansley]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

So...what is it about us Yanks that has you anti? And is "anti" akin to hate, dislike, or what?

I compare it to how northerners think us southerners aren't as smart as y'all.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the northerners for bringing that Yankee money down here and making Atlanta a great city.