Zimmerman

[dallasfan]

Yes. That's why we research. If the boyfriend or pimp killed me then i was stupid enough to take the wrong appointment and dumb enough not to be able to get out of it without violence. There is a danger there...always. I think most of us understand that.

I have never started a fight with anyone ever. I have been in a fight but only in a last resort when nothing else worked verbally. I have never attacked or ambushed anyone. If i did that and someone shot me, then i was an idiot. There was no verbal confrontation. TM just jumped him and pound and grounded him according to all evidence we were privy to.

Martin attacked the guy...that is a crime.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

So DallasFan if a man lie yourself who has 5 reviews- if you go see a girl who is escorting and let's say her "pimp" or enraged boyfriend walks in on your session and kills you- is that Darwin at work because society may say well DallasFan was committing a crime and doing something illegal and immoral so he got what he deserved- isn't that the same logical- only thing different was TM wasn't committing a crime which makes a big difference.
DallasFan as a teenager are you saying you never had a fist fight with someone before- or even as a adult? If so- it would be perfectly fine in your mind that if the person is losing and getting his ass beat than he can just shoot you?

[dallasfan]

All evidence that we were privy to indicated that martin ambushed zimmerman.
Had he grabbed zimmerman's gun and shot him then he would have committed murder. What someone says means nothing...evidence indicates everything.

Had zimmerman attacked martin and martin grabbed his gun and shot him then it would be self defense.

Take the color of skin out the equation and you will see the truth.

Originally Posted by slingblade

Dallasfan, You did not really answer my question. If Martin had killed Zimmerman and said Zimmerman attacked him would he have committed a crime? Another question, If what you say is true how did Martin know Zimmerman was gonna be out that night and plot to "get" him?

[dallasfan]

Well aren't you generalizing. I don't vote along party lines but have voted democrat the last several election because they were the best choice. I voted for clinton both times and obama both times and thought bush was the worst president we have ever had.

Good black kids (not punks like martin) get killed everyday by black gang members and drug dealers and it doesn't even make the news. That is the real problem. If you want to make a change, make a change there.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Anyone notice that the ones who are applauding the decision and saying TM got what he deserved(their words paraphrased) tend to be Republicans?????


I find it laughable on certain right wing blogs that are saying the jurors have spoken and all those who are angered shut shut up and respect the law.

Hmmmmm, I wish those right wing zealots would say the same thing about Obamacare- didn't the Supreme Court state it was constitutional and upheld Obamacare, but people still taling about it and wanting to repeal it? Hmmmm, and what about both elections 2008 and 2012- didn't American voters speak and decided who they wanted in office yet people still bitching about the results?

[pyramider]

How many of you Perry Masons and Matlock wannabees watched every second of the trial? I would guess not one of you. That would be the only way anyone could have any insight as to what was presented by both sides. Only then can you decide if the jury was correct or wrong.

[dallasfan]

That about sums it up best.

Originally Posted by bojulay

When two stupid people meet and one has a gun,
odds are it will end badly.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by dallasfan

Well aren't you generalizing. I don't vote along party lines but have voted democrat the last several election because they were the best choice. I voted for clinton both times and obama both times and thought bush was the worst president we have ever had.

Good black kids (not punks like martin) get killed everyday by black gang members and drug dealers and it doesn't even make the news. That is the real problem. If you want to make a change, make a change there.

Dallasfan what are you? Don't you pay for sex? Is that legal or illegal? I am not sure if you married or not- but what criminal record or prison term did TM serve in case I missed the point? So if TM is a punk and you are a white male that pays for sex which is an illegal crime and immoral in almost ever society- heck in the middle east they stone people for what you and I or do. The issue is not whether Black or Black crime is unreported or whatever- a crime is a crime- wrong is wrong. Are you saying GZ is an angel or a perfect model citizen?
Black on black crime is still ignorant as fuck problem in the black community- just like suicide is a major issue in the white community- neither one has anything to do with the case.

[dallasfan]

There is a difference when something harms others and when it only harms oneself. You are trying to connect something that doesn't connect.

Ask youself this, if zimmerman were black...would anyone care?

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Dallasfan what are you? Don't you pay for sex? Is that legal or illegal? I am not sure if you married or not- but what criminal record or prison term did TM serve in case I missed the point? So if TM is a punk and you are a white male that pays for sex which is an illegal crime and immoral in almost ever society- heck in the middle east they stone people for what you and I or do. The issue is not whether Black or Black crime is unreported or whatever- a crime is a crime- wrong is wrong. Are you saying GZ is an angel or a perfect model citizen?
Black on black crime is still ignorant as fuck problem in the black community- just like suicide is a major issue in the white community- neither one has anything to do with the case.

[Boogeyman]

Great discussion, we can all speculate, but only 2 people know what really happened that night and 1 isn't able to give his side of the story. If you want to blame someone don't blame republicans, democrats blah blah blah,, blame the prosecution, they failed to present enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution agreed on the 5 jurors,along with the defense, and the prosecution didn't get it done. bottom line.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by dallasfan

There is a difference when something harms others and when it only harms oneself. You are trying to connect something that doesn't connect.

Ask youself this, if zimmerman were black...would anyone care?

Probably not and that should let you know this country has a long way to go- or if TM was white and GM was black this would be in the media. If TM was white more than likely different verdict.
DallasFan honestly do you truly believe GZ is the one yelling for "help"? Again please answer the question- what is the likelihood of someone with a gun- which is the ultimate equalizer yelling for "help" with someone who is unarmed. If I am in a one on one fight and I have a gun in my pocket- you thin I am going to start yelling for "help" when I can in 2 second reach in my pocket and shoot the person?
Now if I am fighting one on one with the guy and whether I am losing or winning, but all of the sudden the guy pulls out a gun who is more than likely going to start yelling for "help"?

[dallasfan]

I think the verdict would have been the same had martin been white and zimmerman black based on what we know and the evidence.

I do think zimmerman was the one yelling for help based on the evidence. The guy was pretty beat up and everything match up with the witness testimonies. I think he pulled the gun as a last resort. Yelled for help first and got no reaction. If someone pulled a gun on you...you are not yelling for help. If someone is sitting on top of you beating the crap out of you...you yell for help.

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Probably not and that should let you know this country has a long way to go- or if TM was white and GM was black this would be in the media. If TM was white more than likely different verdict.
DallasFan honestly do you truly believe GZ is the one yelling for "help"? Again please answer the question- what is the likelihood of someone with a gun- which is the ultimate equalizer yelling for "help" with someone who is unarmed. If I am in a one on one fight and I have a gun in my pocket- you thin I am going to start yelling for "help" when I can in 2 second reach in my pocket and shoot the person?
Now if I am fighting one on one with the guy and whether I am losing or winning, but all of the sudden the guy pulls out a gun who is more than likely going to start yelling for "help"?

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

And what decision did this barely 17-year-old minor make? A decision to defend himself against an armed stalker with no credentials or official capacity? Why do people not recognize that TM might have also assumed that he was fighting for his life against some creepy ARMED man who was hunting him?

I blame the prosecutors and the laws, not the jury.

When I was a barely 17 year old minor, I knew damn good and well not to go creeping around in the dark with clothes that could conceal my identity or my hands, and I would never threaten the authority of an older man asking what I was doing in the neighborhood. I certainly wouldn't hide in the dark, sneak up on him, and try to beat the shit out of him. I would have expected to get my ass shot.

When I was sixteen and seventeen, it seemed like the cops gave me lots of tickets, and when my friends and I were out late loitering, someone would call the cops, and the cops would give us shit and makes us leave. Unfortunately, since I am white and the cops were white back then, I guess I couldn't use racism. When I shot out street lights and did other petty vandalism type shit, I expected severe consequences, not a community that blamed other people for my wrongdoing, thus implicitly encouraging dysfunctional behavior in the future, and a deservedly grim future at that.

I accuse the black community of bringing this upon themselves. If the black community would admit Trayvon Martin was substantially responsible for his own demise, and work to correct their statistically significant lead in the commission of violent crimes, maybe someday we could have the racial paradise MLK wanted. Until the black community accepts their own massively dysfunctional behavior and tacit encouragement of its continuation by its young people egged on by the race hustlers such as Al Sharpton who call people like me a hatemonger for telling the truth as I see it, it will continue in its massive poverty, high alcoholism, drug use, high unemployment, broken families, high incarceration rates and miserable lives.
You can do better, but you have to quit blaming others for your own failures. Did LeBron James give up after his miserable start to the last NBA championship series, or did he learn from his mistakes, accept responsibility, and become a better leader?

[Jewish Lawyer]

WellEndowed1911 said, "Dallasfan what are you? Don't you pay for sex? Is that legal or illegal? I am not sure if you married or not- but what criminal record or prison term did TM serve in case I missed the point? So if TM is a punk and you are a white male that pays for sex which is an illegal crime and immoral in almost ever society- heck in the middle east they stone people for what you and I or do. The issue is not whether Black or Black crime is unreported or whatever- a crime is a crime- wrong is wrong. Are you saying GZ is an angel or a perfect model citizen?
Black on black crime is still ignorant as fuck problem in the black community- just like suicide is a major issue in the white community- neither one has anything to do with the case."

Petty prostitution offenses are misdemeanors that aren't even against the law in every jurisdiction here in the USA, and certainly not in the more enlightened and freer countries of the world, whereas murder is a felony everywhere.. It is similar to off sides versus a crackback block. They don't offset, the bigger penalty is assessed, reflecting its considerably greater importance.
Additionally, it the roles were reversed and some punk white kid got his ass shot, I'll bet many whites would admit it had it coming to him.
A black kid in Dallas in the late 80's or early 90's once shot and killed 1 or 2 white kids stealing his ride at night. He had his car alarm set up to send a message to his beeper, and he got off!! Shot them with a fucking assault rifle. We didn't riot, we shrugged it off.

[tejano2246]

There's only two people who know what exactly happened. Like bojulay said, 2 stupid people, one with a gun, bad ending. Fact of the matter was zimmerman shouldn't have followed Martin and Martin shouldn't of confronted zimmerman...

Both are guilty. Martin lost his life and zimmerman has ruined his.

[LazurusLong]

Originally Posted by Lust4xxxLife

And what decision did this barely 17-year-old minor make? A decision to defend himself against an armed stalker with no credentials or official capacity? Why do people not recognize that TM might have also assumed that he was fighting for his life against some creepy ARMED man who was hunting him?

I blame the prosecutors and the laws, not the jury.

1. IF Martin was afraid, why didn't he call 9-1-1?
2. IF his cell phone girlfriend thought he was in danger, why didn't she call the police and send help?
3. From the moment in time when Zimmerman was on the 9-1-1 call and they asked for his home address and he started to give it but stated that he wasn't comfortable saying it out load because he did not know where this suspicious person was at and didn't want to take a chance on him hearing his address (NOT exactly the response of someone that the liberals like yourself claim was out hunting for someone to kill) but where was Trayvon and why didn't Trayvon simply go the fuck home at that point? There was a documented 4 minutes of time between the end of that call and the gun shot so where the fuck was Trayvon and why wasn't he calling 9-1-1 OR getting his ass home?

The bullshit LIES that are not supported by any facts at all are that somehow Zimmerman initiated this fight is utter bullshit. It goes against logic to think that Zimmerman, who was on his way to meet the police, would not have simply dialed 9-1-1 again IF he had spotted the suspicious person again.

And the lies that ignore that Zimmerman was on his way to the complex's mailboxes when the fight happened simply show ignorance of the calls and timeline.

Zimmerman did not know the age of the person who was acting suspicious nor did he know why Martin was avoiding the sidewalks but instead was walking up in yards closer to homes that he should have.

Wellendowed. Really? Who was yelling for help? The ONLY person who witnessed the actual fight saw the person on top wailing away in an MMA style. Sorry but Trayvon fight videos show him fighting and his entire mispent youth was about doing drugs and fighting and the only reason Trayvon was not sitting in jail when this happened was the school had chosen to reduce criminal stats for young black males by NOY arresting and charging them but instead using school policies like kicking his thig ass out of school again!

I actually blame the school and system for not waking this kid up that actions such as fighting and burglary have consequences and with him being caught with a LOT of jewelry stolen in home robberies close to the high school and the school police NOT turning him over to the cops, they were giving him a pass to keep fucking up.


The prosecution and judge REFUSED to allow texts from Trayvon where he talked about things such as if he (Trayvon) could hit someone in the nose, it would lead to him winning a fight.

Hmm, Zimmerman was punched in the nose, suffering what appeared to be a busted nose....

The prosecutionand judge refused to allow the defense to present photos of this "kid) taken within weeks of the shooting where he is showing off his in shape body and bragging about getting ready for more fights.

The prosecution and judge refused to allow ANY video of Trayvon fighting. Even though there were several fight posted on his YouTube page that were deleted and only one appears to have been captured and loaded to other sites now.

ANYONE who thinks Zimmerman was the aggressor in this event is ignoring so many facts presented at trial as to make them nothing but ignorant tools of the left seeking to gin up racism where there was NONE at this tragic event.

[PleaseSmile4Me]

Not sure if I can keep it up for my second date with *angelic* after reading this thread. I motion to "Stay calm and hobby on"