Is the Upstate NY Economy Adversely Effecting Provider's?

[Doove]

They also think China is a superb place to open a business.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Doove

They also think China is a superb place to open a business.

they who????????

[RochBob]

Actually the "Knee Jerk" reaction to opening or relocating a Manufacturing operation to China has been tapering off over the last Decade. I worked at one company that originally planned to move an operation they had in Massachusetts to their new plant in China in 2007 (the reason they had a new plant was because the Chinesse Government wanted the land the old plant was on for something else and told them to move or they would move them, try that here). This was planned before Energy prices went up. The President of the company had the Finance guys rerun the numbers after the prices went up and lo and behold. It cost the company as much to have the operation in China as it did in Massachusetts. So they left it where it was. With rising wages for workers, a lack of skilled workers due to the current high demand and increased transportation costs. China is not the cheap high profit place it once was. Fortunately for us this is causing jobs to be kept or generated here instead of there. Especially in states like Michigan & Ohio that are bending over backward to get any Employer they can into the state. New York should be taking a lesson from them. But they are not.

[Autumn Bolan]

Originally Posted by cowboy8055

The 10 worst states all happen to be blue states. Most of the 10 best are red states.

Hmmm... You don't say?!

[Autumn Bolan]

Originally Posted by Doove

They also think China is a superb place to open a business.

Cape May Wicker, eventually opened their own manufacturing plant there. I also have a friend from high school, who opened his company in Vietnam. You should see his factory pics! He looks like he's been superimposed as a giant into the pics, lol!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by RochBob

The President of the company had the Finance guys rerun the numbers after the prices went up and lo and behold. It cost the company as much to have the operation in China as it did in Massachusetts. So they left it where it was.

So what you're saying is, even China has standards that Red States don't care about.

[RochBob]

I think it was more a matter of a Company doing a through "Cost Analysis" of what the change in production venue was going to cost them compared to leaving the operation where it already was.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

Link showing New York State rating.

http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst...-business-2013

In 2011:

Top 10 states on that list had an average annual salary of $44,560

Bottom 10 states on that list had an average annual salary of $53,399.

Only 1 state in the bottom 10 fell below the average salary of the top 10 states on your list - by only $500. Hawaii, at $44,085.

So while i might want to be a CEO in a red state, i'd rather be a working man (or woman) in a blue state.

[jackfengshui]

This is a poll of CEO's, whose idea of an "attractive" state is one that allows their companies to get away with:

• Paying little or no taxes
• Paying the lowest possible wages and benefits (except to themselves)
• Using public money to improve their infrastructure
• Not being liable for any harm they cause to the environment

[offshoredrilling]

Using public money to improve their infrastructure

mmm like NY

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

mmm like NY

Make up your mind - do you want us to be an attractive state for business, or not?

[Frankie Fine]

Originally Posted by JohnnyCap

Re a few Frankie comments: if a few Canadians say border towns have more PT use, they're the sort that think Americans cause all problem.

I don't think that, maybe it is casino towns/cities..have more issues..ah well..am sure some places have more issues then others for all different reasons.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by Doove

Make up your mind - do you want us to be an attractive state for business, or not?

just say no to corporate welfare as its a waste of money

[boyscoutnomore]

so it turns out that the fertilizer plant in West, Texas had no one looking over their shoulder to make sure there wasn't enough stuff to set off a tactical nuke level explosion AND HAS ONLY $1 MILLION in insurance liability coverage. so the insurance co. will kick in the policy, the company will file for bankruptcy and the fittest will survive, just as God intended ! and, heaven forbid, zoning laws that kept people from building homes, nursing homes, etc near the plant.
I can't wait to get out of NY (thanks, Andrew) but there is another side and a balance to be found.
Maybe if a ceo visiting their plant in china or vietnam or bangladesh contracts H7N9 or Sars or the gonorrohea superbug they will consider their options. lmao

[Doove]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

just say no to corporate welfare as its a waste of money

I agree. But corporate welfare attracts business.

It's called a conundrum.