Panetta to lift ban on women in combat

[satexasguy]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

On topic: any woman that can meet the physical and mental requirements should be accepted in combat units, and I’ve known several who were quite capable of performing in such a role: but most were not. Unfortunately, at some point someone will begin to equate the low ratio of genuinely qualified women with a systemic bias against women and then finagle with and render invalid legitimate admission standards. In the end, that will damage and impair the over all effectiveness of such units. (BTW, people often forget a substantial number of young men do not qualify and are rejected at the recruiting office.)

It is already starting. I heard on the radio today (NPR) that some generals are saying the physical standards need to be reviewed and determine if such hard requirements are really necessary.

I said it before and I stand by this - as long as women have to meet the SAME physical requirements for a combat position as a man does, then I am all for it.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Doing nothing had demonstrably failed!

Wait, so you believe that there are no actions in the spectrum between doing nothing on one end and declaring war upon another sovereign nation on the other end?

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by Laz

I agree with this for the most part. However, for the number of people that fall into the extreme category that there are, there has to be a significant amount of support in the general population. Because of that I am pretty disgusted with the group as a whole.

No doubt some in any group do support its extremists, but again all of that can be easily applied to other religious/ethnic/etc. groups as well.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

Wait, so you believe that there are no actions in the spectrum between doing nothing on one end and declaring war upon another sovereign nation on the other end?

So you agree. Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator, et al, did nothing about bin Laden's reign of terror.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

So you agree. Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator, et al, did nothing about bin Laden's reign of terror.

My previous post was saying that there is a wide spectrum of actions that can be taken between doing nothing and declaring war on another country.

We don't know most of the actions that were taken by the CIA and other agencies behind the scenes. I would presume that for every terrorist attack that succeeded, there were many more that were prevented. Bin Laden had been operating for years far longer than only President Clinton's terms of office. If you're going to blame Presidents, all the ones back along the chain would all be responsible under your reasoning.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

My previous post was saying that there is a wide spectrum of actions that can be taken between doing nothing and declaring war on another country.

We don't know most of the actions that were taken by the CIA and other agencies behind the scenes. I would presume that for every terrorist attack that succeeded, there were many more that were prevented. Bin Laden had been operating for years far longer than only President Clinton's terms of office. If you're going to blame Presidents, all the ones back along the chain would all be responsible under your reasoning.

Please feel free to cite an incident wherein bin Laden took overt, violent action against the U.S. before Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator’s administration.

[bully]

I served in the Marine Corps infantry in Iraq and I'm trying to imagine what it would've been like if we had women in our platoon. A huge part of the military is the bond you form training together, eating together, sleeping side by side, making fun of each others dicks in the shower, talking about all the girls you've banged, sparring in martial arts and basically just going through terrible shit together. This, comradery, is most important in direct combat units because eventually you'll be facing the threat of death together. The bonds you form in training make you fight harder for the guy beside you. Women will have separate showers, barracks, areas for going to the bathroom in the field and a whole bunch of "off limit" rules that will essentially label them as outsiders to the rest of the unit. This might effect the cohesion of the unit. Guys will be fighting over girls creating further unraveling of the team. Sexual harassment incidences will also be a problem. If at any point a woman can't perform a physical task she'll be harshly berated to an extreme by guys just waiting on the chance. And this is just training I'm referring to! Combat operations will bring a new set of problems that would be impossible to alter for a woman's presence. Remote outposts and patrol bases don't have facilities and you can't just walk away a short distance to clean yourself or go to the bathroom because you'll get shot or possibly captured. There are no separate barracks or any barracks for that matter when you're running week long operations away from your base. Many of times we had to piss in plastic bottles inside our humvees because the sniper threat was too high in fallujah and what better of a target than a marine standing still taking a piss. I haven't even gotten to the point where bullets start flying and people start dying...but I'm tired of typing. I have great respect for women and welcome their amazing contribution to our military and our nation but my humble opinion is the infantry isn't the right fit for them.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

So you agree. Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator, et al, did nothing about bin Laden's reign of terror.

If you will agree that neither of the Bush's did either!

But Obama did!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

If you will agree that neither of the Bush's did either!

But Obama did!

Wrong, BigKoTex! And you just put yourself in the “dunce-seat” once again. Odumbo didn’t accomplish anything without the basic ground work accomplished during Bush 43’s administration, BigKoTex. And knock yourself out trying to find and recount any hostile act by bin Laden against the U.S. during Bush 41’s administration: Bush 41 had no reason to look for him, you incredible dunce. At least Bush 43 seriously went after the terrorist SOB – unlike Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator who let bin Laden slide while he was busy breaking Federal regulations stalking impressionable young employees.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Odumbo didn’t accomplish anything without the basic ground work accomplished during Bush 43’s administration.

Yeah right, you just keep listening to Rush!

[CuteOldGuy]

[Sarcasm on] Yes, and now Al Qaeda is leaderless and powerless. They won't bother us anymore! They learned their lesson, for sure! [Sarcasm off]

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Yeah right, you just keep listening to Rush!

Facts are facts, BigKoTex. Denying them only underscores your willful ignorance. The young lady in the CIA that eventually tracked bin Laden down started her work thirteen years ago -- Odumbo's only been in office for four! Do the math, you Dimwit Yahoo.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Facts are facts, BigKoTex. Denying them only underscores your willful ignorance. The young lady in the CIA that eventually tracked bin Laden down started her work thirteen years ago -- Odumbo's only been in office for four! Do the math, you Dimwit Yahoo.

Shhhhhhh, don't tell anybody but mid way through Obama's first term in office, OBL officially began sleeping with the fishes.

Way to go Mr. President! Heh, CC

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by bully

I served in the Marine Corps infantry in Iraq and I'm trying to imagine what it would've been like if we had women in our platoon. A huge part of the military is the bond you form training together, eating together, sleeping side by side, making fun of each others dicks in the shower, talking about all the girls you've banged, sparring in martial arts and basically just going through terrible shit together. This, comradery, is most important in direct combat units because eventually you'll be facing the threat of death together. The bonds you form in training make you fight harder for the guy beside you. Women will have separate showers, barracks, areas for going to the bathroom in the field and a whole bunch of "off limit" rules that will essentially label them as outsiders to the rest of the unit. This might effect the cohesion of the unit. Guys will be fighting over girls creating further unraveling of the team. Sexual harassment incidences will also be a problem. If at any point a woman can't perform a physical task she'll be harshly berated to an extreme by guys just waiting on the chance. And this is just training I'm referring to! Combat operations will bring a new set of problems that would be impossible to alter for a woman's presence. Remote outposts and patrol bases don't have facilities and you can't just walk away a short distance to clean yourself or go to the bathroom because you'll get shot or possibly captured. There are no separate barracks or any barracks for that matter when you're running week long operations away from your base. Many of times we had to piss in plastic bottles inside our humvees because the sniper threat was too high in fallujah and what better of a target than a marine standing still taking a piss. I haven't even gotten to the point where bullets start flying and people start dying...but I'm tired of typing. I have great respect for women and welcome their amazing contribution to our military and our nation but my humble opinion is the infantry isn't the right fit for them.

The decision to let women serve in combat roles comes right after the end of don't ask don't tell. Do you think that out of the closet gays will be a problem for cohesion and morale?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Shhhhhhh, don't tell anybody but mid way through Obama's first term in office, OBL officially began sleeping with the fishes.

Way to go Mr. President!

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