Lowering the Bar in South Louisiana

[BIG C]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

I think there is an associated risk with any lady that is touring, especially if she doesnt have enough info out about her. But I think you can build stable regulars by at least being available. Not all hobbyist have the luxury of prebooking and some are avialiable only on short notice.

There are risks and rewards in every business and profession that anyone engages in.....That's not the point here.....The point is that NOLA is seriously getting a reputation as being a bad place for ladies to tour because of all the last minute cancellations and NCNS that happen down there for a touring provider......We're not talking about providers touring the area who are unknown and don't have info out there for the fellas to make a decision about her.....And we're not talking about ladies who have come down there on the spur of the moment and then complain because they couldn't get any business.....In fact we're talking about situations that are just the opposite.....Well known and well reviewed ladies have complained that they had several guys pre-book appts. and then either cancel at the last minute, or simply NCNS and that makes for a very bad tour (not to mention the financial loss).....It's a very simple concept here: If you book a session with the lady, then show up for the session.....If the session has to be canceled, then give her as much advance notice as possible.....And the same thing goes for the providers.....If you post a tour and guys do book with you, then show up for the tour.....If you have to cancel the tour, or cancel any appt. for whatever reason, give the guy(s) you have to cancel on as much advance notice as possible.....Respect and consideration goes both ways and it really takes so little effort to show respect and consideration that it amazes me that people don't give them at a moment's notice.....

[MrGiz]

Very few, if any of us (including the girls) have lives filled with hours and hours of availability every day. We can pretty much bet that many of the girls have lives every bit as hectic as our own.... hobby guys do not corner that market.

The answers to the problems being discussed here all come down to common decency , respect , and The Golden Rule.... treat a provider's time as you wish them to treat your's! It's as simple as that!

I won't go as far as saying the story of having '25' pre-booked appointments for a 5-day visit to NOLA is bullshit.... but that is an awfully high number! And if the number is accurate.... there isn't a girl out there that will say she could ever expect the logistics of that visit to go perfectly smooth. Five appointments per day for five days..... she can be guaranteed to have conflicts within those five days! Those conflicts will fuck-up timing and cause other conflicts for her clients.... she is doing nobody any favors (including herself) by over-booking on purpose on the front end.... she's only guaranteeing frustration.

I could be wrong... but I think we dawgs sometime, grossly over-estimate many statistics and numbers on the girl's side of the hobby. They have a job to do.... one that most of them have chosen to do. If they want to be known as the best at what they do.... they need to be personally responsible.... just as we do if we want to be respected as being a Good Dawg !!

Giz

[London Rayne]

I agree with Giz on this one...25 pre-bookings may just be what they logged in as showing up and expected at least half to cancel or replace. It is exactly over booking, and many do it all the time to make up for cancellations...myself included. I don't ever book that many, but if I have a 4 hour appt. one day, I will usually have a plan B just in case. 4 hours is not like making up an hour you know.

I could not see 25 guys in a month much less a week without ending up in the ER, but I know many ladies who can and have to withstand that kind of action. I just find it funny that the thread starter has no clue that a couple of the ladies he claims to "see" are in fact twice as high volume as a few not mentioned lol. Lives and rates do tend to give that away...so do numerous reviews in the same week or day lol. As someone so arrogantly pointed out...I don't have even one on this board locally, so my being low volume is pretty much never in question.

Personally I don't know why I was mentioned at all seeing as though I rarely partake in the local market. Most of my clients are from out of town, and I don't have to compete with anyone here for business. My rate scale and whom I choose to see is not the norm for the area, so my business does not suffer. I don't need 8-10 guys every week to sustain my lifestyle because I have other income, and personally I am busy!

I agree everyone has the right to see whom they choose, but at the same time a little research and common sense could go a long way in making such an estimation. We all have our own definition of what class and intelligence are now don't we lol. I have heard $50 dollar women called classy in reviews, so to each is own.

[PIMP]

Originally Posted by London Rayne

I have heard $50 dollar women called classy in reviews, so to each is own.

cmon now rainy down be dissin on my fitty dolar hos, just kiddin u got a fine ass you can dis.

[BIG C]

Actually, I've been told by several ladies throughout the years that when they tour they have scheduled in excess of 8 guys a day, so I don't see that 25 in 5 days is unbelieveable when on tour.....I also think that she should have probably factored in for some cancellations and had a plan B (i.e., standby guys) if she jusst had to make a certain amount to have a profitable tour down there.....However, her failure to take these measures was not this issue that I was speaking about.....It was the number of last minute cancellations and NCNS that she says she got which was the issue.....I take her word for what she says happened.....If she's expecting 25 guys over a 5 day period at home and she gets a whole lot of last minute cancellations and no shows, it's not as big of an issue.....OTOH, expecting 25 guys on tour and more than half cancel, then that's a big issue (again, probably should have had a plan B for such situations because like it or not, shit does happen and people are sometimes going to have to cancel)......

My point in relaying that story wasn't whether it was feasible for her to expect that just because she got 25 people to pre-book that all 25 people would show up for their sessions on time.....Apparently if they did book sessions with her then she had things spread out over the time period so that it wouldn't be a factor.....My point was simply that if you book, then show up.....If you have to cancel, then give notice and don't be a ncns.....And for the ladies, if you post a tour, then show up.....If you have to cancel the tour, or cancel an appt., then contact the guys and let them know as it's equally as frustrating for the guys when you cancel at the last minute or you're a ncns.....A pretty simple concept that often is not practiced (and unfortunately that's not just limited to the NOLA arewa since I've heard this problem being discussed in places all over).....Perhaps if this concept was practiced much then we wouldn't have had the need for this thread to begin with.....

[gimme_that]

I guess I grossly misunderstood the ncns situation with reputable ladies locally here. Im sure potentially there are ways to combat and decrease the chances of a cancellation. It could be something so small as a partial prepayment or another means.

I always assumed to some degree touring ladies booking times were somewhat liberally setup since 90 percent of the ladies I saw were late 30 minutes to 2.5 hours late. I always figured maybe...just maybe they over booked to some degree to make quota and combat the cancellations.

So are these people fully screened, somewhat known, and verified doing this, or just random newbie callers?

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

.... I always figured maybe...just maybe they over booked to some degree to make quota and combat the cancellations.... So are these people fully screened, somewhat known, and verified doing this, or just random newbie callers?

It makes zero sense for an organized, top-shelf girl to overbook on purpose.... how would she be able to manage that without creating conflicts? Schedule conflicts and consistently being late, does not earn a good reputation! The best manage themselves much better than that. They are willing to accept less dates in order to earn a good reputation for being organized, on time, and always there. This isn't rocket science! Eventually.... better organization and time management leads to higher rates.... justifiably so, in my opinion.

The cancellations come from the entire spectrum of the Dawg Pack..... it's not just the newbies. Again.... the best girls always screen well.... just another ingredient of good organization!

Some hobbyists, from both sexes, don't care enough about a good reputation.... but yet, still have the nerve to complain.... ridiculous, but true!!

Giz

[Outdoorsman]

I really think we are getting confused, when a professional complains about the act of his or her market. I hear ladies complaining that we, the consumer, are screwing up their day. I am sorry that people are inconsiderate and disrespectful but the market is what the market place is.

I for one am getting very tired of seeing the variety, i am tired of the tardiness, sitting in the car waiting, cancellations, etc. Thus, I am going to spend my money elsewhere. And when I do cancel, it is part of business for the seller. It happens and if cancellations are high for ladies coming here, then I understand travelling elsewhere. We all have to do what is best for our situation. I will not get frustrated over what the market is, because I cannot change it, I must work within it or relocate - simple.

[MrGiz]

To a large degree.... the amount of conflict within the hobby that both girls and guys are willing to accept, depends upon the standards which each side sets for their own hobby goals in the first place! Kind of a reap what you sow kinda thing.... (again.... I said to a large degree).

Giz

[I B Hankering]

My question is how many of the NSNCs are local hobbyist and how many are tourist. After all, it isn't just providers who visit New Orleans looking for fun and entertainment. It would be wrong to attribute the misbehavior of tourists to local hobbyist.

[PIMP]

it this way every year slo after kids be lettin outta skool an every year hoes be complainin dam if u cant plan ahead fo tha slow times u done need be up in dis biz

[BIG C]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

My question is how many of the NSNCs are local hobbyist and how many are tourist. After all, it isn't just providers who visit New Orleans looking for fun and entertainment. It would be wrong to attribute the misbehavior of tourists to local hobbyist.

You know what.....That's a very valid point and one which I hadn't even considered (which is odd considering the fact that I am a tourist to NOLA, or at least I was at one point).....Having said that though, it kinda doesn't really matter because the sessions are booked for NOLA (whether the guy is local or not) so when someone pulls a NCNS, the providers are left to attribute that to NOLA and not to that hobbyists own home area.....

I really only post here and take interest here because I'd hate to see NOLA have to suffer through what we suffer through up here.....It's almost takes an Act of Congress to get some of the top shelf talent to visit here (and a few times when they have said they'd come here I'm generally not available ).....

[Nicolet]

I would LOVE to cum see you, Big C!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by London Rayne

Another thing I have noticed is that in other areas guys actually GIVE you a cancellation fee...sometimes that entire fee if they have to cancel!! Talk about courtesy!! That's not something you hear happening much in nola.

interesting!

how do they pay you the cancellation fee if they're unable to see you for unspecified reasons? paypal?

[pornodave69]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

I appreciate your honesty in regards to her treatment of new clients when booking dates as opposed to her regulars or prior clients. I'm sure this happens behind clothes doors more times than not with many ladies. But is she really seeing newbies?

Her screening process from what I heard is pretty rigorous. So if I was a new client I'd find that to be a little unnerving. But would it be kosher on the flip side if that potential hobbyist had a plan B and decided to cancel on her for the first touring smoking provider he wanted at that time. What if his provider reference offered him a better deal locally than what she offered after she verified him. Would that be cool too reciprocally, or just compound the ncns/cancellation issue? I know some ladies wont even call refs no matter how many you have on p411 for this reason alone. Sometimes its been known to occur.

I meant new/first time clients, not necessarily new to the hobby.

Originally Posted by gimme_that

I guess I grossly misunderstood the ncns situation with reputable ladies locally here. Im sure potentially there are ways to combat and decrease the chances of a cancellation. It could be something so small as a partial prepayment or another means.

I always assumed to some degree touring ladies booking times were somewhat liberally setup since 90 percent of the ladies I saw were late 30 minutes to 2.5 hours late. I always figured maybe...just maybe they over booked to some degree to make quota and combat the cancellations.

So are these people fully screened, somewhat known, and verified doing this, or just random newbie callers?

It's not jut the "reputable ladies locally." It's them, it's the agencies that bring girls in after being begged to get them here, it's the independent, well reviewed ladies from other areas - it's damned near every girl that lives or comes through here. They all deal with this crap. It's just bullshit. Why would any woman come back when they get treated like shit and don't make any money?

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

My question is how many of the NSNCs are local hobbyist and how many are tourist. After all, it isn't just providers who visit New Orleans looking for fun and entertainment. It would be wrong to attribute the misbehavior of tourists to local hobbyist.

It's not the tourists. Many of them are on this board, and may be posting in this thread. You know what? Ladies talk. And they will tell the guys that treat them well who they like and don't like, who constantly tries to negotiate, who wastes their time and who's an asshole. When you hear it from several ladies' personal experiences you know who they are and it's true.