2025 Buccos!!!

[Smarty1]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Shelton is forced to make fire with wet wood. Cherington is forced to form a championship caliber team with JV money.
Bottom Line Bob no where to be found.
I’ve heard that he’s looking for PNC Park upgrades? Is that true? If so, our city leaders better not give him a dime without team payroll increases.

I can’t entirely agree with you. Nutting is a lousy owner, but Neal Huntington and Clint Hurdle did quite a bit better with “Bottom Line Bob” and the limitations he imposes than a Herrington and Shelton are currently doing. They at least assembled a good MLB roster from multiple young prospects (Cutch, Walker, Alvarez, Cole, etc) plus a couple of decent free agent pickups, most notably Russel Martin and AJ Burnett. I see nothing resembling such a course now. The have Skenes, who is probably better than Cole, but a bunch of average to below average guys otherwise, and no significant free agent additions.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Smarty1

I can’t entirely agree with you. Nutting is a lousy owner, but Neal Huntington and Clint Hurdle did quite a bit better with “Bottom Line Bob” and the limitations he imposes than a Herrington and Shelton are currently doing. They at least assembled a good MLB roster from multiple young prospects (Cutch, Walker, Alvarez, Cole, etc) plus a couple of decent free agent pickups, most notably Russel Martin and AJ Burnett. I see nothing resembling such a course now. The have Skenes, who is probably better than Cole, but a bunch of average to below average guys otherwise, and no significant free agent additions.

I agree. Huntington built a strong core with Cutch, Marte, Palonco, Walker and Alvarez. I think he got Josh Bell too. Cole, Tailon and the other guy pitching for the Dodgers. Then added siolid vets like Russell Martin, Byrd, Mornue, Cervelli, Burnett , Happ and Liriano. It can be done on a budget.

That being said, they should have kept Chapman for 10 mill and brought in at least one legit bat. That’s on Nutting.

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by Smarty1

I can’t entirely agree with you. Nutting is a lousy owner, but Neal Huntington and Clint Hurdle did quite a bit better with “Bottom Line Bob” and the limitations he imposes than a Herrington and Shelton are currently doing. They at least assembled a good MLB roster from multiple young prospects (Cutch, Walker, Alvarez, Cole, etc) plus a couple of decent free agent pickups, most notably Russel Martin and AJ Burnett. I see nothing resembling such a course now. The have Skenes, who is probably better than Cole, but a bunch of average to below average guys otherwise, and no significant free agent additions.

Come on man. What is the common denominator? A man who is always near bottom with his payroll, doesn’t allow a real build effort around Skenes (who definitely will pass anything Cole does baring injury)…a generational talent that will be 10000% gone after his rookie deal is done.
It’s a shame. This town misses a competitive team.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Come on man. What is the common denominator? A man who is always near bottom with his payroll, doesn’t allow a real build effort around Skenes (who definitely will pass anything Cole does baring injury)…a generational talent that will be 10000% gone after his rookie deal is done.
It’s a shame. This town misses a competitive team.

Well, I do agree with you on this. I fully expected Nutting to go to 100 million this offseason to capitalize on potential. They were buyers at the deadline last year but the bullpen imploded and dashed any postseason hopes. They lost out on Chisholm which was a big lose at the deadline. That’s why I thought they would bring back Chapman and add a legitimate bat or two. They didn’t even try. I didn’t have the optimism this year that I had last year. Maybe Nutting lost faith in Cherrington as an evaluator of talent. If that’s the case, he should have fired him last year. They’ll have a worse record this year than last year.

[Charley3]

Stop the presses!!! Bam agrees with me!!
We’re probably more alike on sports than you’d think.
Now politics…not even close! Lol

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Stop the presses!!! Bam agrees with me!!
We’re probably more alike on sports than you’d think.
Now politics…not even close! Lol

I wouldn’t go that far. I defended Nutting until this year. I was a defender of Tomlin, but that ended 4yrs ago. This thread has nothing to do with politics.

[bambino]

More sloppy play. But that’s not why they lost. They’re simply not as good as the Yankees.

[bambino]

https://x.com/theponiexpress/status/...229141461?s=42

He actually said this!!!!!

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by bambino

I wouldn’t go that far. I defended Nutting until this year. I was a defender of Tomlin, but that ended 4yrs ago. This thread has nothing to do with politics.

It was a joke. Life’s short.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by flows-with-water

Paul Vogel is throwing out the first pitch. I hope he isn’t expected to stay for the entire game as he’s suffered enough in his Russian imprisonment

... I do hope the Vogel fellow has a chance to speak with
Paul Skenes... And give him some advice on how to survive
while in a "prison"...

#### Salty

[bambino]

Steigy is 100% correct. But a salary cap won’t happen in MLB. Give a listen

https://x.com/steigerworld/status/19...095369612?s=42

Can Nutting spend more on salaries? Yes. Will it make the Pirates competitive against the Yankees or Dodgers? No

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... I do hope the Vogel fellow has a chance to speak with
Paul Skenes... And give him some advice on how to survive
while in a "prison"...

#### Salty

At least Skenes knows his release date already. He’ll be gone moments after his rookie deal expires. Enjoy him while we have him. Thanks once again Bob

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Charley3

At least Skenes knows his release date already. He’ll be gone moments after his rookie deal expires. Enjoy him while we have him. Thanks once again Bob

... Too right, mate ... Although the Pirates will prolly
move Skenes in a trade next year - "for Prospects"...

So, Skenes' "pirate prison" won't be for long...

(Hey Char - you think Skenes might be interested in
the Steelers QB job??)

#### Salty

[bambino]

They got crushed again. No suprise. But this antic has made me completely anti Nutting. This is just inexcusable. Fuck him.

https://x.com/_noahhiles/status/1908...044790315?s=42

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by bambino

But this antic has made me completely anti Nutting

It's gonna be a damn dry season