An American jailed in Russia for years, coming home.

[HDGristle]

Ksenia Khavana and Stephen Hubbard are still in Russian hands, Waco. Travis Leake, Gordon Black, Robert Woodland, David Barnes, Robert Gilman, Eugene Spector. Don't forget about them.

The Belarus deal was separate but could have been tied in if we worked with our allies like with the Ankara deal. Think we have at least 50 cards of our own to play, not including others in the custody of our allies.

Notice how I'm not pretending to know that you want or insinuating that you want folks in gulags. Simply pointing out you're not thinking broadly enough.

And again you're focused on Trump v Biden when I already said I don't care and that it was a bad deal regardless of which admin made it.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Ksenia Khavana and Stephen Hubbard are still in Russian hands, Waco. Travis Leake, Gordon Black, Robert Woodland, David Barnes, Robert Gilman, Eugene Spector. Don't forget about them.

The Belarus deal was separate but could have been tied in if we worked with our allies like with the Ankara deal. Think we have at least 50 cards of our own to play, not including others in the custody of our allies.

Notice how I'm not pretending to know that you want or insinuating that you want folks in gulags. Simply pointing out you're not thinking broadly enough.

And again you're focused on Trump v Biden when I already said I don't care and that it was a bad deal regardless of which admin made it.

three weeks ago how many of those names did you know before googling it? yeah me neither

you didn't even know wtf Alexander Vinnik or Marc Fogel were three weeks ago.


yeah me neither


you might be shocked but TWK thinks Fogel was a stupid dumbfuck for going to Russia in the first place, especially with "contraband" in his possession like that cunt Griner


should the US have left them both in Russia? for 14 years each?


there's a difference between the best deal possible and the best deal available

[HDGristle]

We knew who Vinnik was. His extradition made news, and his name popped up a lot as part of Biden's Ankara negotiations as a proposed part of that package.

Just because you didn't read doesn't mean I didn't.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

We knew who Vinnik was. His extradition made news, and his name popped up a lot as part of Biden's Ankara negotiations as a proposed part of that package.

Just because you didn't read doesn't mean I didn't.

these negotiations? not one word about Vinnik or any exchange with Russia

https://apnews.com/article/mideast-s...3f1dc9fb24c7f8


Biden administration makes final diplomatic push for stability across a turbulent Mideast


show a link .. recently .. where this was discussed

[HDGristle]

Broaden your search.

July and Aug 2024 had plenty of Vinnik refs.

Go back further to Griner deal in 2022 when Whelan was also being considered. As part of the proposed 2 for 1 for Whelan, who's name do you see?

Alexander Vinnik

#BWAHAHAHAHA

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Broaden your search.

July and Aug 2024 had plenty of Vinnik refs.

Go back further to Griner deal in 2022 when Whelan was also being considered. As part of the proposed 2 for 1 for Whelan, who's name do you see?

Alexander Vinnik

#BWAHAHAHAHA

get fresher breadcrumbs .. not one single reference to Vinnik

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor...soner_exchange


you can do better. i have faith in you

face it ... Biden gave up the Merchant of Death for a titless mancunt

Trump got a teacher back for a hacker.


and you think that's a bad deal?

[HDGristle]

Don't need fresher crumbs, Waco. His named has been linked to these types of discussions since he was extradited to the U.S. from Greece. Those facts are easily found, except by you apparently.

Minimizing Vinnik does the Kremlin's job for them and encourages grabbing folks like Fogel to trade for bad hombres.

Bad deal is bad. You don't have to convince me that Griner for Bout was bad. Fogel for Vinnik is also bad.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Don't need fresher crumbs, Waco. His named has been linked to these types of discussions since he was extradited to the U.S. from Greece. Those facts are easily found, except by you apparently.

Minimizing Vinnik does the Kremlin's job for them and encourages grabbing folks like Fogel to trade for bad hombres.

Bad deal is bad. You don't have to convince me that Griner for Bout was bad. Fogel for Vinnik is also bad.

i am minimizing Vinnik because he's just another hacker. the world is full of hackers. he just happens to be a Russian hacker. not surprised and neither should you he was implicated in the Mt. GOX hack which at the time put a serious blackeye on the crypto market. as did Sammy Bank Fraud more recently.


by your logic all deals are bad therefore no deals should be made. now be sure you are sitting down because TWK generally agrees that bad deals shouldn't be made especially for dumbass American tourists like Fogel and to a lessor extent Griner (she was there to play pro Russia league basketball) who didn't even bother apparently to research Russian law on "contraband" then got themselves into trouble over it.


if these people go to Russia and get 10 years in a gulag for what would barely be a misdemeanor in the US why should we make a trade to get them back?


Russia targets US and other citizens to get these deals and today without any cold war spy trades to make perhaps the US should tell these people "go to Russia at your own risk" and let them rot in a gulag.

[HDGristle]

You minimize because you don't actually care about the Americans held in Russia and just want to troll libs. He wasn't just another hacker. He was SBF, with a team of hackers laundering money for the FSB and all manners of organized crime.

It's ok, Waco. This is a judgment free zone. I get it. You ignore the larger deal comment and pretend we didn't have other cards to play or options at our disposal.

Another American was just arrested in Russia. So Fogel's seat in the gulag has been replaced already. Guess we'll see if Trumpybear goes with another bad deal like Fogel's.