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Old 07-19-2021, 10:51 PM   #46
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Actually he filed the suit in South Florida. He lives there. He can win.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/tru...ts-11626025357
it took some doing to get past the 500 error caused by the WSJ paywall. well I got it.

bambi, please post the article in the future if its a wsj paywall. note everyone has access to it.


Trump Can Win His Case Against Tech Giants

The companies censor on the government’s behalf. There’s ample precedent for calling it state action.

By Vivek Ramaswamy
July 11, 2021 1:42 pm ET

The media has panned Donald Trump’s First Amendment lawsuits against Facebook, Twitter and YouTube: “sure to fail,” “as stupid as you’d think,” “ridiculous.” Mr. Trump’s complaint omits important precedents, facts and claims for relief, but there’s a strong case to be made that social-media censorship violates the Constitution. If his lawyers do better in court than in their initial filing, Mr. Trump can win.

It’s true that the First Amendment ordinarily applies to the government rather than private companies. But the central claim in Mr. Trump’s class-action lawsuit—that the defendants should be treated as state actors and are bound by the First Amendment when they engage in selective political censorship—has precedent to back it up. Their censorship constitutes state action because the government granted them immunity from legal liability, threatened to punish them if they allow disfavored speech, and colluded with them in choosing targets for censorship.

The Supreme Court held in Norwood v. Harrison (1973) that the government “may not induce, encourage, or promote private persons to accomplish what it is constitutionally forbidden to accomplish.” As Jed Rubenfeld and I argued in these pages in January, that’s what Congress did by passing Section 230(c)(2) of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which permits tech companies to censor constitutionally protected speech and immunizes them from state liability if they do so.

The high court has repeatedly held that federal immunity pre-empting state law can transform a private party’s conduct into state action subject to constitutional scrutiny. In Railway Employees’ Department v. Hanson (1956), the justices found state action in union-employer agreements because Congress had passed a statute immunizing such agreements from liability under state law. In Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives Association (1989), the court again found state action in a private company’s conduct because federal laws immunized companies from liability if they tested employees for drugs.

Prominent congressional Democrats have also issued severe, explicit and repeated threats to retaliate against social-media giants if they fail to remove “hate speech” and “misinformation” that the government can’t directly censor under the Constitution. These threats have worked.

In an October 2020 hearing, as Mr. Trump’s lawsuits note, Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut told CEOs Jack Dorsey of Twitter and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook: “The president has used this microphone to spread vicious falsehoods and apparent attempt to overturn the will of the voters.” In the same hearing, he threatened “a breakup of the tech giants” and “Section 230 reform,” including “possible repeal.” Mr. Zuckerberg has called such regulations an “existential threat” to Facebook. In January both sites banned Mr. Trump.

The Supreme Court held in Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963) that the First Amendment was violated when a private bookstore stopped selling works after officials deemed them “objectionable” and threatened prosecution. In Carlin Communications v. Mountain States Telephone & Telegraph Co. (1987), the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that a telephone company was acting as a state agent when it acceded to government threats to stop carrying offensive content on paid dial-in lines.

Even if Messrs. Zuckerberg and Dorsey didn’t fear these government threats, the Second Circuit held in Hammerhead Enterprises v. Brezenoff (1983) that if government officials’ comments “can be reasonably interpreted as intimating that some form of punishment or adverse regulatory action will follow the failure to accede to the official’s request,” that’s enough to constitute state action. The Ninth Circuit has held that it doesn’t matter if the threats were the “real motivating force” behind the private party’s conduct.

A growing body of evidence suggests that social media companies have voluntarily worked with Democratic officials to censor content the latter disfavor. In Brentwood Academy v. Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association (2001), the high court held that state action exists if the private party’s conduct results from “significant encouragement, either overt or covert,” or if the private party is a “willful participant in joint activity with the State or its agents.”

According to allegations in other pending lawsuits, Twitter formed “trusted partner” relationships with state officials to remove content identified by the officials as election misinformation—when in reality the content was simply critical of state policies.

In September 2020 Mr. Zuckerberg acknowledged that Facebook “works with” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to remove Covid-related content. The company’s official policy states that it is “advised” by public-health authorities about what Covid content should be blocked. For months, while officials including Anthony Fauci proclaimed that the Wuhan lab-leak theory was “debunked” and a “conspiracy theory,” Facebook blocked any mention of that theory as “misinformation.”

But after Dr. Fauci and the administration retreated from this position, Facebook almost immediately lifted its ban. Recently published email exchanges between Mr. Zuckerberg and Dr. Fauci reveal no evidence of direct instruction from the government on this point but make a case for Facebook’s willful participation in a joint activity with the government.

Mr. Trump’s lawsuits don’t go as far as they could have in establishing a pattern of willful participation, but their discovery phase will almost surely reveal additional examples. Social-media companies are privately owned, but when they collude with officials to block disfavored content, they are serving as the government’s censorship bureau and must answer to the First Amendment.

Mr. Trump has another path to legal victory even if he loses on the state-action claim. State legislatures, most recently in Florida, have begun to impose nondiscrimination and common-carrier requirements on Big Tech platforms. Opponents say these laws violate the companies’ First Amendment rights. But if so, how could similar nondiscrimination laws have been imposed for decades on telephone companies? Opponents also say these laws are pre-empted by Section 230. But as Justice Clarence Thomas observed in his concurrence in Biden v. Knight First Amendment Institute, Section 230 is arguably unconstitutional if interpreted to pre-empt state laws against viewpoint discrimination. Mr. Trump failed to assert this claim under Florida law, though he could amend his complaint before trial to do so.

Mr. Trump’s critics are mistaken to think the claims he raises are completely novel. But the case is unprecedented in another way—the staggering scale of Big Tech’s power to restrict speech. No company in U.S. history has so comprehensively silenced elected officials or prevented them from communicating with citizens. Worse, they did so at the behest of, and in careful coordination with, government leaders in the ascendant opposition party as it gained power.

In 1924 Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover warned against the concentration of corporate power in the radio industry: “We cannot allow any single person or group to place themselves in a position where they can censor the material which shall be broadcasted to the public.” Almost a century later, the danger he foretold has been realized. Mr. Trump’s case provides an opportunity to address it.

Mr. Ramaswamy is author of “Woke Inc.: Inside Corporate America’s Social Justice Scam.”
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Old 07-19-2021, 11:10 PM   #47
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how many did the far left radicals kill because they wouldn't consider anything that Trump touted? that turned out to be correct? HCQ? UV light? oh no! not those readily available treatments! let's go all in with an experimental treatment that we'll make exempt from any legal consequences. what could go wrong???

Uganda, is currently in a second lockdown due to rising COVID-19 cases. It has over 87,000 cases with 2,129 deaths and counting.


Nobody dies in made-up Uganda memes posted by Trumptards
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Old 07-20-2021, 05:16 AM   #48
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At this point since the vast majority of people catching covid and getting ill from it are the truly stupid, I’m willing to just give up on trying to convince them otherwise. We should stop providing treatment to them as well.

Fox’s idiot Brian Kilmeade says it’s not the govt’s job to protect people from harming themselves and by extension others. Though what he said is STUPID, we should just let the ignorant and foolish die off and hope they stop reproducing.
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If Trump was still in office the same people who want to play Stasi with a syringe at your front door would be railing against the vaccine. The “news” would be an endless parade or inconsolable parents, leftists who got even more retarded and some guy with a 3rd leg growing out of his forehead, calling for Trump to be executed.

We know this because they told us so (see veep debate and a million other examples). They’ve now changed their tune to ‘take the jab, or else’ in a thinly veiled attempt at co-opting President Trump’s achievements.
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Still waiting on Trump to tell his Trumpy Idiot followers to take his achievement vaccine. Instead, we have right wing media telling people not to get vaccinated. Of course that idiotic plan backfired since the people getting sick now are the Trumpy base. They will stay stupid to the end.
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Old 07-20-2021, 08:09 AM   #52
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Still waiting on Trump to tell his Trumpy Idiot followers to take his achievement vaccine. Instead, we have right wing media telling people not to get vaccinated. Of course that idiotic plan backfired since the people getting sick now are the Trumpy base. They will stay stupid to the end.
If you're going to go around and portray yourself as intelligent you might want to refrain yourself from making utterly stupid statements.
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At this point since the vast majority of people catching covid and getting ill from it are the truly stupid, I’m willing to just give up on trying to convince them otherwise. We should stop providing treatment to them as well.

Fox’s idiot Brian Kilmeade says it’s not the govt’s job to protect people from harming themselves and by extension others. Though what he said is STUPID, we should just let the ignorant and foolish die off and hope they stop reproducing.

Thank god it is not your call - 1b1 - To whom medical care is delivered in america. It would be a Cuban system of horrible care - just as DPST fascist Commie demagogues such as bernie and AOC demand. Entailing one level for nomenkaltura - and other much lower quality levels to the minions. similar to what is seen in Venezuela - no care or medicine for Nobody not named Maduro.
And - will there be qualifications based on who is a 'victim" - and who is 'not" - with different levels of care for those in favored status of teh ruling elite???
Of course You would enact such discriminatory levels of medical care. Its' alredy decided by the nomenklatura.



anyOne believing the false promises of the fascist DPST party regarding its intention to take over and destroy quality of care in America - needs to understand the Fascsit DPST hannah jones and her history revisionism - One cannot trust fascist DPST's - because ideology Trumps Uber Alles in the minds of the 'liberal woke sharpton segregationists" - because anyone opposed is by your definition - an 'Idiot" whom should be barred from reproduction.

Recognize the national Socialist party in your writings - and the resultant Holocaust ( denied by the LSM and controlling party) I doubt it. !
The fsacist DPST party Squad - your leaders - have made their anti-Semitic racism - and desire for another holocaust - Very clear. They cheer for the destruction of Israel - and the Jewish Peoples.

Good self-expose 1b1!

Thank you .
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DF - thank you reproducing the WSJ article - good reading!
Fascist DPST's are indeed on teh warpath against both the first and Second Amendments!
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According to the Brits, 60% of the people in the hospital are fully vaccinated.
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Still waiting on Trump to tell his Trumpy Idiot followers to take his achievement vaccine. Instead, we have right wing media telling people not to get vaccinated. Of course that idiotic plan backfired since the people getting sick now are the Trumpy base. They will stay stupid to the end.
That’s called letting people make their own decisions. Leftists really hate that pesky freedom thingy.
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Gee letting people make there own medical choices Hmm ,, Proof of how ineffective the vaccine is coming out slowly , and the serious side effects for a flu with a 99.06% chance of no bad outcome.
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Fox’s idiot Brian Kilmeade says it’s not the govt’s job to protect people from harming themselves and by extension others. Though what he said is STUPID
This right here tells us everything we need to know about BLM. Blacks simply exchanged the plantation chains for Democrat ones. If you depend on the government to look after, you should just shut up and do as you're told.
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This right here tells us everything we need to know about BLM. Blacks simply exchanged the plantation chains for Democrat ones. If you depend on the government to look after, you should just shut up and do as you're told.

Is that not the Faustian bargain fascist DPST minions make?
When their stalinist totalitarian Orwellian government orders them to do so - they have no choice but to comply - to maintain their meager government minion existence.

So sad that the minions of liberalism are so desperately afraid of freedom, that they trade freedom for teh security of a government prison.
and so their nomenklatura can lead a life of luxury - just as OBLM founder and embezzler extraordinaire - Patrice Khan-cullors.



back to the topic - teh ridiculous assertion that unvaccinated caused teh stock market to drop.
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This right here tells us everything we need to know about BLM. Blacks simply exchanged the plantation chains for Democrat ones. If you depend on the government to look after, you should just shut up and do as you're told.
And this stupidity tells me all I need to know about you. Dumb as bricks.
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