Cop Thinks Her Gun Is. Tazer, Black Man Is Dead

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by preggolover89

You believe a cop that tells someone they "should be scared" and "you're about to ride the lightning son" should keep their job? That's pretty fucked up.


Nope, reason enough to fire him on that alone.

Philandro Castile was not resisting arrest.

But he did according to the juries verdict, give the cop reason to shoot. There were two Blacks on that jury. So maybe not the best choice to make your point.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/philando-castile-trial-verdict/index.html

Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty on all counts

Look, we all know, at least those of us willing to be honest about it, know that there have been un-justifiable shootings of Black men. The guy in the South Carolina shooting as he was fleeing a cop for a traffic stop. That cop was convicted and sent to jail.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/ex-south-carolina-police-officer-in-prison-for-fatally-shooting-walter-scott-appeals-20-year-sentence/

My question then is "does this number of un-justified shootings, suggest a genocide of young Black men"? Does that suggest that all police every where are out hunting young Black men? Does any unjustified shooting of a Black man require the looting and burning down the neighborhood you live in especially when the cop will probably ( these days ) be prosecuted and found guilty?

The Mayor of Chicago has the un-mitigated gall to go on TV and says,

“We live in a city that is traumatized by a long history of police violence and misconduct,” Lightfoot said. And in the very next sentence says,“So while we don’t have enough information to be the judge and jury of this particular situation, it is certainly understandable why so many of our residents are feeling that all too familiar surge of outrage and pain. It is even clearer that trust between our community and law enforcement is far from healed and remains badly broken.”

But no mention by the Mayor of the actual genocide of young Black men by other young Black men in the city of Chicago. Should a young Black man then be more afraid of the police or other young Black men? This is also the conversation we don't have in this country right now. Right now, in less than 4 months, the murder rate in Chicago exceeds last years number with 26 dead in April alone. That is a horrifying headline but the Black Mayor only has time to talk about one of very few police shootings justified and un-justified.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...years/2426764/

Chicago Sees 51 Homicides in January — Highest in 4 Years

One might think that worthy of mention but no, the police are the problem in Chicago. Bullshit!

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by GastonGlock

Looks like you don't have to resist to get shot. You get shot for obeying too:

Hannity is breaking down the tape now. His footage has some enhancements this tape doesn't have. There was a footchase. The kid had something in his hand. He was beside a fence and flicked the gun behind his body as he turned to face the officer. Officer had to make a split second decision. There's also another tape from a security camera further away. The officer is going home tonight. Gun found looks similar to what the kid threw.

The kid supposedly had gunpowder reside on his hand. 13 yo out very late at night for the last time.

As my black friend said to me often, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

[joseywales204]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Depends! Was she a bitch?

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

[reddog1951]

"Hannity is breaking down the tape now."

Volumes spoken in one sentence.

[gnadfly]

Here's something similar on another media outlet. The kid's supposedly a member of the Latin Kings.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...e-adam-toledo/

[Lucas McCain]

So he deserved to die because he was supposedly a Latin Kings by your justification? Unless he has a record for shooting at cops, that is completely irrelevant. He was a fucking kid. He probably did not know how to even point a gun. At his young age, at most he was probably just a corner boy even if he was a Latin King.

Young corner boys aren't even allowed to have weapons usually because if they have a weapon, they'll snitch on everyone once they get arrested. How do I know this? My dad's best friend was a gang detective in Los Angeles for 35 years. That dude has been dealing with the Crips, the Bloods and Latin kings before I was even born. He's retired now.

[dreamvacationdates]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Hannity is breaking down the tape now. His footage has some enhancements this tape doesn't have. There was a footchase. The kid had something in his hand. He was beside a fence and flicked the gun behind his body as he turned to face the officer. Officer had to make a split second decision. There's also another tape from a security camera further away. The officer is going home tonight. Gun found looks similar to what the kid threw.

The kid supposedly had gunpowder reside on his hand. 13 yo out very late at night for the last time.

As my black friend said to me often, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

So if you comply you die, don't comply you die, doesn't matter what a person does as long as the cop plays the split second card, anything a cop does is justifiable in your view.

How come a white guy can kill multiple people but still be taken in without a scratch but a POC who hasn't killed anyone, complying with the officer command and ends up killed, maybe the split second is if it's white don't shoot but anything else shoot first ask questions later.

even in your post you acknowledge that the kid already threw the gun to the ground and shows both his hands up facing the cop, you can even count the fingers on each of the kids hands. don't see a gun in his hands do you, but with the split second card, any and everything is justifiable even when it isn't.

[winn dixie]

Fewer thugs, fewer crime!
We need population control anyway!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

So he deserved to die because he was supposedly a Latin Kings by your justification?

You are sounding UpEast hysterical. Did anyone on here (or off) actually say that?

If you keep jabbering like that I'm going to believe you are really Geraldo Rivera!

He says dumbass shit like that all the time.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dreamvacationdates

So if you comply you die, don't comply you die, doesn't matter what a person does as long as the cop plays the split second card, anything a cop does is justifiable in your view.

Are YOU Geraldo Rivera? You sure sound like him.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

how do you mistake a gun for a tazer?

That's why I am not all that in favor of these secondary weapons. All Police really need is their service weapon, Baton and that's it. Training in both should be extensive as well as the gift of gab. Police need to know how to converse with the Public, that's one skill Cops today really lack in the most.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That's why I am not all that in favor of these secondary weapons. All Police really need is their service weapon, Baton and that's it. Training in both should be extensive as well as the gift of gab. Police need to know how to converse with the Public, that's one skill Cops today really lack in the most.

Please don't generalize about "Cops today"!

Secondly, have you ever had an intelligent, productive conversation with someone who is shit-faced drunk on booze or SEVERLY intoxicated from some other substance ..... or even a mentally defective person .... who ARE ANGRY AND HOSTILE?

Furthermore, have you ever had an intelligent, productive conversation with a person who believes they can beat the shit out of their spouse or girlfriend, because she broke the yoke in their fried egg at breakfast time, and decided they could whip your ass like they did their wife or girlfriend so you wouldn't take them to jail for aggravated assault on their wife or gf?

Resisting an arrest is a crime ... generally not connected to the offense basing the arrest.

Geraldo Rivera made an absolute ass of himself, which he often does recently, discussing "appropriate" police equipment and training to protect Black people and other minorities from being killed by the police after they started ...... resisting arrest, in which I include FLEEING.

Tennessee v. Garner 471 U.S. 1(1985)
Graham v. Connor (490 U.S. 386 (1989)
use of force cases with respect to the U.S. Constitution

The standard is now an "objective" one as opposed to the officer's subjective consideration:

The reasonableness standard is alive and well nearly four decades later. In 2007, the Court decided Scott v. Harris 550 U.S. 372 (2007), examining the use of deadly force to end a vehicle pursuit. Georgia deputy sheriff Timothy Scott employed a PIT maneuver to stop a fleeing motorist causing him to become a quadriplegic. The Supreme Court reiterated its findings in Garner, ultimately holding that the use of force employed by the deputy was reasonable:

A police officer’s attempt to terminate a dangerous high-speed car chase that threatens the lives of innocent bystanders does not violate the Fourth Amendment, even when it places the fleeing motorist at risk of serious injury or death.”

In 2014, the Court further cemented this position in Plumhoff v. Rickard 134 S. Ct. 2012 (2014). In this case, officers shot 15 rounds ending a police chase that exceeded speeds of 100 miles an hour. Here again, the Court looked to the reasonableness of the officer’s actions as a Fourth Amendment seizure, holding

In light of the circumstances…it is beyond serious dispute that Ricard’s flight posed a grave public safety risk, and…the police acted reasonably in using deadly force to end that risk.”

An individual's "thought process" is "subjective" and is not "objectively reasonable." Joe Shmuck who never had the experiences of a police officer is merely making a "subjective" observation, more recently along racial lines, as to the officer's response to the violence initiated by the arrestee. Five to 10 second video clips are willfully inadequate to reflect "objectively" what actually occurred PRIOR TO THE KILLING OR INJURY of the intended arrestee and biased and often erroneous observations of those even present have been proven to be inaccurate at best ... ala Ferguson shooting, which was investigated by the Obaminable DOJ ... and the result that showed the dead person was trying to take the officer's weapon.....but that was after the burning and killing.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Please don't generalize about "Cops today"!

Secondly, have you ever had an intelligent, productive conversation with someone who is shit-faced drunk on booze or SEVERLY intoxicated from some other substance ..... or even a mentally defective person .... who ARE ANGRY AND HOSTILE?

Furthermore, have you ever had an intelligent, productive conversation with a person who believes they can beat the shit out of their spouse or girlfriend, because she broke the yoke in their fried egg at breakfast time, and decided they could whip your ass like they did their wife or girlfriend so you wouldn't take them to jail for aggravated assault on their wife or gf?

Resisting an arrest is a crime ... generally not connected to the offense basing the arrest.

Geraldo Rivera made an absolute ass of himself, which he often does recently, discussing "appropriate" police equipment and training to protect Black people and other minorities from being killed by the police after they started ...... resisting arrest, in which I include FLEEING.

Tennessee v. Garner 471 U.S. 1(1985)
Graham v. Connor (490 U.S. 386 (1989)
use of force cases with respect to the U.S. Constitution

The standard is now an "objective" one as opposed to the officer's subjective consideration:



An individual's "thought process" is "subjective" and is not "objectively reasonable." Joe Shmuck who never had the experiences of a police officer is merely making a "subjective" observation, more recently along racial lines, as to the officer's response to the violence initiated by the arrestee. Five to 10 second video clips are willfully inadequate to reflect "objectively" what actually occurred PRIOR TO THE KILLING OR INJURY of the intended arrestee and biased and often erroneous observations of those even present have been proven to be inaccurate at best ... ala Ferguson shooting, which was investigated by the Obaminable DOJ ... and the result that showed the dead person was trying to take the officer's weapon.....but that was after the burning and killing.

I've been around Law Enforcement. What they encounter is no mystery to me. I've had my share of Firearm training and Self Defense I've had many conversations with Law Enforcement in those settings. So no I am not generalizing.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

I've been around Law Enforcement. What they encounter is no mystery to me. I've had my share of Firearm training and Self Defense I've had many conversations with Law Enforcement in those settings. So no I am not generalizing.

Yes you are!

Here's a little tip. The flaw in your claimed background is:

I've had many conversations with Law Enforcement in those settings.

You are generalizing from "conversations" with LE and first of all you don't even know whether or not they were actually present during the incident about which they were describing, and secondly there are roughly 600,000 to 700,000 active fulltime LE officers in the U.S. With how many have you had a "conversation" discussing conflicts with persons involving use of deadly force?

The likelihood that they were actually involved in any use of deadly force incidents is remote.

I am reminded of an incident years ago in the Houston area in which a driver was stopped by several HPD unites for speeding on a freeway after a relatively short chase and after the man stepped out of his vehicle he was killed by LE gun fire. The officers claimed he had a weapon, which turned out to be a beer opener I think on his key ring. But .... there were 55+ shell casings collected at the scene. Let me repeat: 55+ (I recall the 55 #). I was shocked that no innocent civilians were hit!

And my second thought is ... someone (or more) needs to go back to the range. Point:

Ask any of them how many rounds they fired. They customarily don't know. Of those 700,000 +/- officers relatively few have any first hand experience in shoot-outs with suspects and/or even been confronted with a person with a firearm. The rest weren't there!

The "culture" of LE generally as it relates specifically to those in LE who work the streets is that they indulge in self-laudatory, know-it-all discourse in which they embellish their own self-esteem and grandiose experience by bloviating about their personal experiences when in fact they weren't even there on the scene. Then there are those who were actually present and actively involved with get put on a desk doing paperwork until ALL the dust settles and are customarily shunned by the others who weren't present.

To which batch were you getting your knowledge? Those quiet ones or the braggarts?

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yes you are!

Here's a little tip. The flaw in your claimed background is:



You are generalizing from "conversations" with LE and first of all you don't even know whether or not they were actually present during the incident about which they were describing, and secondly there are roughly 600,000 to 700,000 active fulltime LE officers in the U.S. With how many have you had a "conversation" discussing conflicts with persons involving use of deadly force?

The likelihood that they were actually involved in any use of deadly force incidents is remote.

I am reminded of an incident years ago in the Houston area in which a driver was stopped by several HPD unites for speeding on a freeway after a relatively short chase and after the man stepped out of his vehicle he was killed by LE gun fire. The officers claimed he had a weapon, which turned out to be a beer opener I think on his key ring. But .... there were 55+ shell casings collected at the scene. Let me repeat: 55+ (I recall the 55 #). I was shocked that no innocent civilians were hit!

And my second thought is ... someone (or more) needs to go back to the range. Point:

Ask any of them how many rounds they fired. They customarily don't know. Of those 700,000 +/- officers relatively few have any first hand experience in shoot-outs with suspects and/or even been confronted with a person with a firearm. The rest weren't there!

The "culture" of LE generally as it relates specifically to those in LE who work the streets is that they indulge in self-laudatory, know-it-all discourse in which they embellish their own self-esteem and grandiose experience by bloviating about their personal experiences when in fact they weren't even there on the scene. Then there are those who were actually present and actively involved with get put on a desk doing paperwork until ALL the dust settles and are customarily shunned by the others who weren't present.

To which batch were you getting your knowledge? Those quiet ones or the braggarts?

You say I am generalizing, but then you state an incident where 55 rounds were fired. Am I really generalizing? I am sure you remember the incident in Atlanta last year where a subject was sleeping while in the Drive Thru at a Wendy's. The Officer that approached that car in my opinion did a pretty good job initially handling the situation. The fatal mistake these Officers made is when they informed the driver he was under arrest and attempted to place hand cuffs on him while he was standing straight up in an open space giving him the opportunity to break and run. If they would have placed over the hood of the car and searched him that may have eliminated his desire to escape.