Election fraud? What election fraud?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

In case you haven’t noticed, Dominion and Smartmatic are trying to sue anyone who ties them to election fraud. So Speedy, give me an update on these suits. Has one gone to court? And Speedy, these machines were connected to the internet. Pulitzer hacked into them live at his testimony in the Georgia senate hearings. Guess who else was in the machines at the time. Chinese entities. I watched it live.

Check out his education credentials. He’s no dummy:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_M._Byrne

Pulitzer hacking into Georgia’s Dominion machines

https://rumble.com/vcet7x-jovan-puli...e-in-chin.html

Hey Speedy, haven’t we’ve been told that voting machines aren’t connected to the internet? Check with Snopes

You are correct that Dominion and Smartmatic have brought suits against several individuals who claimed their machines changed votes, without any proof. Several of those individuals making those claims have changed their statements. See Sidney Powell.
The other cases will take time to reach the courts.

Proof is required. As of today there is no evidence that a single vote was changed by Dominion Systems. You can throw out all these conspiracy theories you like but at some point in time there has to be proof to support the claims.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are correct that Dominion and Smartmatic have brought suits against several individuals who claimed their machines changed votes, without any proof. Several of those individuals making those claims have changed their statements. See Sidney Powell.
The other cases will take time to reach the courts.

Proof is required. As of today there is no evidence that a single vote was changed by Dominion Systems. You can throw out all these conspiracy theories you like but at some point in time there has to be proof to support the claims.

You really need to open your horizons Speedy. Snopes isn’t doing it for you. But Powell isn’t backing down from Dominion one bit.

https://justthenews.com/government/c...n=social_icons

As for Dominion, you really need to look. I’ll point you to Antrim Co Mi for starters. But think outside your box. Look to other sources than what you normally do. I’ll leave it at that. I’ve already posted evidence against Dominion.

Here’s a piece from a source you probably trust:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1112436

The Dominion machines can be easily manipulated. They were designed to be manipulated.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

You really need to open your horizons Speedy. Snopes isn’t doing it for you. But Powell isn’t backing down from Dominion one bit.

https://justthenews.com/government/c...n=social_icons

As for Dominion, you really need to look. I’ll point you to Antrim Co Mi for starters. But think outside your box. Look to other sources than what you normally do. I’ll leave it at that. I’ve already posted evidence against Dominion.

Here’s a piece from a source you probably trust:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1112436

The Dominion machines can be easily manipulated. They were designed to be manipulated.

Regarding Sidney Powell and Dominion Systems:

Washington — Lawyers for conservative attorney Sidney Powell told a federal court on Monday that "no reasonable person" would conclude her unfounded claims of voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election were statements of fact as she fights a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

In a filing with the federal district court in the District of Columbia, Powell argued Dominion's case against her should be dismissed, as "it was clear to reasonable persons" her statements were her own opinions and legal theories. Members of the public, she said, were free to reach their own conclusions about whether Dominion rigged the election against former President Donald Trump, as Powell repeatedly claimed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sidney-...t-voter-fraud/

And to repeat -- there is no evidence that a single vote was changed in the Dominion Systems or Smartmatic voting machines. Not one. You can post whatever you want about how they COULD BE manipulated but that is NOT proof that they were manipulated.

https://www.dominionvoting.com/elect...cord-straight/

I can give you several reasons why Trump lost in Michigan and Pennsylvania. The odds of him winning those states were well below 50-50 in my opinion.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Regarding Sidney Powell and Dominion Systems:

Washington — Lawyers for conservative attorney Sidney Powell told a federal court on Monday that "no reasonable person" would conclude her unfounded claims of voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election were statements of fact as she fights a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems.

In a filing with the federal district court in the District of Columbia, Powell argued Dominion's case against her should be dismissed, as "it was clear to reasonable persons" her statements were her own opinions and legal theories. Members of the public, she said, were free to reach their own conclusions about whether Dominion rigged the election against former President Donald Trump, as Powell repeatedly claimed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sidney-...t-voter-fraud/

And to repeat -- there is no evidence that a single vote was changed in the Dominion Systems or Smartmatic voting machines. Not one. You can post whatever you want about how they COULD BE manipulated but that is NOT proof that they were manipulated.

https://www.dominionvoting.com/elect...cord-straight/

I can give you several reasons why Trump lost in Michigan and Pennsylvania. The odds of him winning those states were well below 50-50 in my opinion.

There were thousands of votes switched in this small county:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ics-report.pdf

Your “opinion” doesn’t mean squat.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ned-corrected/

There’s tons of evidence, witnesses and cyber experts that have already testified in state senate hearings around the country. I watched Jovan Pulitzer hack into Georgia’s vaunted Dominion machines DURING his testimony. You can dismiss these facts. It’s all going to come out. If true, would you still deny it? Would it bother you that there was mass voting fraud in the United States? Or are you ok with it as long as your candidate wins?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

There were thousands of votes switched in this small county:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...ics-report.pdf

Your “opinion” doesn’t mean squat.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ned-corrected/

There’s tons of evidence, witnesses and cyber experts that have already testified in state senate hearings around the country. I watched Jovan Pulitzer hack into Georgia’s vaunted Dominion machines DURING his testimony. You can dismiss these facts. It’s all going to come out. If true, would you still deny it? Would it bother you that there was mass voting fraud in the United States? Or are you ok with it as long as your candidate wins?

The one fact that I understand is that you and many others will go to your death beds still believing Trump won the 2020 election.

Jonathan Brater, Michigan's Director of Elections declared, under oath, that Ramsland's claims about changing vote totals ignore the actual characteristics of the voting system and the claims ascribe to the machines minor 2020 errors which have been amply proven to be human errors, which were caught and corrected.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson on December 14, 2020 took active steps to ensure public release of the ASOG report, which was filed in a lawsuit over a local election and calls into question Michigan's certified results in the 2020 presidential election. The two Michigan officials said they want it public so that people can see it is "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election." Included in their statement is an implicit threat to have Ramsland's report stricken from the court record as unproven and inexpert:


https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...for-fraud.html

The day that you or anyone else can substantiate mass voting fraud in the 2020 election I will look over the claims and, if true, agree with it. So far you've got squat that would stand up in a court of law.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The one fact that I understand is that you and many others will go to your death beds still believing Trump won the 2020 election.

Jonathan Brater, Michigan's Director of Elections declared, under oath, that Ramsland's claims about changing vote totals ignore the actual characteristics of the voting system and the claims ascribe to the machines minor 2020 errors which have been amply proven to be human errors, which were caught and corrected.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson on December 14, 2020 took active steps to ensure public release of the ASOG report, which was filed in a lawsuit over a local election and calls into question Michigan's certified results in the 2020 presidential election. The two Michigan officials said they want it public so that people can see it is "another in a long stream of misguided, vague and dubious assertions designed to erode public confidence in the November presidential election." Included in their statement is an implicit threat to have Ramsland's report stricken from the court record as unproven and inexpert:


https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2...for-fraud.html

The day that you or anyone else can substantiate mass voting fraud in the 2020 election I will look over the claims and, if true, agree with it. So far you've got squat that would stand up in a court of law.

Not true, the courts rejected the cases on standing, not evidence. If this election was so pure, why won’t elections officials, Governors and judges release the real ballots and have the machines forensically examined? What are they hiding? It’s common sense, they’re hiding something.

[Tiny]

This is what I don't understand. All the Dominion machines in Georgia generated paper ballots. And I understand most but not all voting machines in the USA do. Presumably a voter can look at the ballot generated by the voting machine he used and see if fraud occurred. It would seem like if there were fraud occurring in the way the machines marked the ballots, enough people would raise holy hell so we'd know about it.

The paper ballots are then fed through an optical scanner which tabulates the votes.

So at that point there's really no difference with marking your ballot with a pen or pencil, except for the optical scanner.

So, you could argue that the programming in the optical scanner is jiggered around to allow for fraud. But when there's an accusation of election fraud or the results are close, in many instances there's a hand recount of the ballots that went through the optical scanner. They did this in Georgia and it resulted in minimal change in the tally.

Admittedly I think there are some machines that don't generate a paper trail. I think these are disappearing though. Georgia replaced all of their old machines, that didn't create a paper trail, before the 2020 election, thanks to the good judgement of its Republican Secretary of State, who Trump has bashed mercilessly.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Tiny

This is what I don't understand. All the Dominion machines in Georgia generated paper ballots. And I understand most but not all voting machines in the USA do. Presumably a voter can look at the ballot generated by the voting machine he used and see if fraud occurred. It would seem like if there were fraud occurring in the way the machines marked the ballots, enough people would raise holy hell so we'd know about it.

The paper ballots are then fed through an optical scanner which tabulates the votes.

So at that point there's really no difference with marking your ballot with a pen or pencil, except for the optical scanner.

So, you could argue that the programming in the optical scanner is jiggered around to allow for fraud. But when there's an accusation of election fraud or the results are close, in many instances there's a hand recount of the ballots that went through the optical scanner. They did this in Georgia and it resulted in minimal change in the tally.

Admittedly I think there are some machines that don't generate a paper trail. I think these are disappearing though. Georgia replaced all of their old machines, that didn't create a paper trail, before the 2020 election, thanks to the good judgement of its Republican Secretary of State, who Trump has bashed mercilessly.

Dominion machines don’t “generate” ballots. They scan them. The machines can be manipulated to adjust the outcomes. It’s in their owners Manuel. How do you explain fractions of vote being tabulated? It happened. Adjust algorithms. 1.25 for Biden, .75 for Trump. Or, as happened in Antrim County Michigan, 6000 votes can be switched from Trump to Biden. That happened.

[bambino]

Trump quietly signed this EO in 2018


https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/...ry?id=57770888

Dontcha think he knew what was coming in 2020? He said it would be rigged. I wonder why Biden hasn’t reversed this EO yet??????????

[bambino]

More:

https://conservativebrief.com/judge-...tm_medium=RP78

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

More:

https://conservativebrief.com/judge-...tm_medium=RP78

You have yet to prove that there was significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. All the legal challenges to the election were dismissed by the courts because PROOF is required. Could Dominion Systems have altered the vote count? Possible. Proof that Dominion Systems altered the vote count -- none. A perfect example of a court decision on the 2020 election, this one on the Antrim County charges. From yesterday:

A judge characterized subpoenas filed by a plaintiff’s attorney in an Antrim County lawsuit as a “fishing expedition,” as he ruled clerks in four Michigan counties do not need to provide election data as part of discovery in the case.

“The plaintiff must have more than mere conjecture, more than speculation, to support its request to discover information from these other counties,” said 13th Circuit Court Chief Judge Kevin Elsenheimer, during a four-hour motion hearing Monday.


https://www.record-eagle.com/news/ju...13197f9fa.html



https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2AF1G1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ud/3869239001/

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...on-lawsuits-l/

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You have yet to prove that there was significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. All the legal challenges to the election were dismissed by the courts because PROOF is required. Could Dominion Systems have altered the vote count? Possible. Proof that Dominion Systems altered the vote count -- none. A perfect example of a court decision on the 2020 election, this one on the Antrim County charges. From yesterday:

A judge characterized subpoenas filed by a plaintiff’s attorney in an Antrim County lawsuit as a “fishing expedition,” as he ruled clerks in four Michigan counties do not need to provide election data as part of discovery in the case.

“The plaintiff must have more than mere conjecture, more than speculation, to support its request to discover information from these other counties,” said 13th Circuit Court Chief Judge Kevin Elsenheimer, during a four-hour motion hearing Monday.


https://www.record-eagle.com/news/ju...13197f9fa.html



https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2AF1G1

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ud/3869239001/

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...on-lawsuits-l/

Just be patient Speedy. It’s coming. Will you wake up then? I have my doubts.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by bambino

Trump quietly signed this EO in 2018


https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/...ry?id=57770888

Dontcha think he knew what was coming in 2020? He said it would be rigged. I wonder why Biden hasn’t reversed this EO yet??????????

[bambino]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ching-arizona/

Stay tuned Speedy.

[bambino]

We should know the results of the Maricopa Co audit results in 10 days:



Fraud vitiates everything and why Maricopa County may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

In a few days, auditors at Maricopa County will be reviewing - under great scrutiny - the 2020 general election ballots and tabulation results in said county. If there is discovery of hard evidence proving widespread fraud in that county, then the victim of the fraud will be allowed to introduce a lawsuit to present evidence not previously allowed in court with the intent of annuling the previous decision.
In the case of which fraud is proven with hard evidence in Maricopa County, other counties around the country may follow suit with similar audits and lawsuits with the intent of annulling any previous decision.
It may only require a handful of such lawsuits before the republic finds itself in a constitutional crisis.
It is unclear what remedy will be available for a general election vitiated by fraud, but with the state of the current Supreme Court, I dont recommend holding your breath.

Lets examine United States v. Throckmorton, 98 U.S. 61 (1878).

Supreme Court:
“There is no question of the general doctrine that fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents, and even judgments.”

Explanation:
Fraud voids contracts, documents and judgements.

Supreme Court:
“There is also no question that many rights originally founded in fraud become—by lapse of time, by the difficulty of proving the fraud, and by the protection which the law throws around rights once established by formal judicial proceedings in tribunals established by law, according to the methods of the law—no longer open to inquiry in the usual and ordinary methods.”

Explanation:
“Rights” obtained through fraud are very difficult to overturn through normal measures.

Supreme Court:
“If the court has been mistaken in the law, there is a remedy by writ of error. If the jury has been mistaken in the facts, the remedy is by motion for new trial. If there has been evidence discovered since the trial, a motion for a new trial will give appropriate relief. But all these are parts of the same proceeding, relief, is given in the same suit, and the party is not vexed by another suit for the same matter. So in a suit in chancery, on proper showing a rehearing is granted. If the injury complained of is an erroneous decision, an appeal to a higher court gives opportunity to correct the error. If new evidence is discovered after the decree has become final, a bill of review on that ground may be filed within the rules prescribed by law on that subject. Here, again, these proceedings are all part of the same suit, and the rule framed for the repose of society is not violated.”

Explanation:
There are systems in place to correct errors in courts, juries, and trials.

Supreme Court:
“But there is an admitted exception to this general rule in cases where, by reason of something done by the successful party to a suit, there was in fact no adversary trial or decision of the issue in the case. Where the unsuccessful party has been prevented from exhibiting fully his case, by fraud or deception practised on him by his opponent, as by keeping him away from court, a false promise of a compromise; or where the defendant never had knowledge of the suit, being kept in ignorance by the acts of the plaintiff; or where an attorney fraudulently or without authority assumes to represent a party and connives at his defeat; or where the attorney regularly employed corruptly sells out his client's interest to the other side,—these, and similar cases which show that there has never been a real contest in the trial or hearing of the case, are reasons for which a new suit may be sustained to set aside and annul the former judgment or decree, and open the case for a new and a fair hearing.”

Explanation:
However, there is an exception for the situation of which the winner utilized fraud or deception to prevent the loser from fully presenting his case in court. In such situations a new lawsuit may be introduced to annul the previous judgment or decree.