Big win for the American people

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Voters roundly rejected this abomination.

The results will be felt in November.

That is unless the Turd Reich shuts down the media beforehand.

Who believes the media anymore?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The objections by Democrats, and some Republicans, were based on FACTS that existed

3. The bill repeals the individual mandate although Trump promised to support a package that supposedly would stabilize the Obamacare marketplace, which bought the vote of Senator Collins.

Whose "FACTS"?

#3: Is awaiting House approval, because it wasn't in their bill.

At the moment the "mandate" isn't being enforced anyway.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Whose "FACTS"?

#3: Is awaiting House approval, because it wasn't in their bill.

At the moment the "mandate" isn't being enforced anyway.

At the moment, the mandate is still law and being enforced. No matter what Trumps EO says. Or you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/h...e-mandate.html

https://www.firstquotehealth.com/hea...ate-in-effect/

[Muy Largo]

When the U.S Senate voted on the bill many of the sitting Senators had only several hours to review it. Yes, that's a "process" problem. There was a reason the majority party did not want the minority party to scrutinize the bill before voting on it. Or was that a procedural oversight? An accident of logistics? I have not examined the measure, that is true. I am relying on the analysis of others. There are provisions in the bill that relate to oil in the Arctic refuge, for example, or allowances for churches to partake in politics without losing their tax exempt status -- so much for the separation of church and state. Those sorts of provisions bother me. My taxes will go down for 6 or 8 years. Nice. The deficit will go up. Bad. I'm a deficit junkie. I dislike waste and porkbarrel. (In the public or private sector.) Those -porkbarrel- comprise a substantial feature of the so-called "swamp". That's one reason I say the swamp is now deepening, not being drained. I support assistance for children and families in need - a touchy subject, yes. In the interest of preventing a deficit increase, I am in favor of not reducing my taxes. I will forego that benefit in the longer term interests of our nation. This is how I recently lobbied, as well.

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by BigLouie

And the American people are not getting breaks. The richest 1% and the largest corporations are

You're right....42% of the people don't pay any taxes anyway. They're not getting a tax reduction.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

It's a "win" when the final is signed by Trump, if it's close to the Senate version as far as the income tax part. There's some "riders" that were tacked on to get votes, but that is SOP ... even though wrong IMO.

I honestly feel attaching riders to ANY bill is (or should be) illegal.. IF THE BILL can't pass on its own, it shouldn't be allowed to get APPENDED TO a "must pass" other bill, as a rider..

Originally Posted by LexusLover

1. Cut the grants and supplements for "Obamacare"!

And get HOT N HEAVY on welfare/SSDI/EBT fraud!!!!!!!
IMO if we reign that in, we can cut spending on those programs by at least 20%.. if not 35-40%.

Originally Posted by lustylad

Amazing! And those GWU students aren't entirely stupid either. It underscores exactly what I've been saying - our politics are so broken now that people are utterly incapable of approaching economic issues with any degree of objectivity. They will either support or oppose the same proposal based on whoever's name is on it.

I've long felt that.. People will support or oppose something JUST CAUSE OF who nominated/recommends or supports it.. NOT cause of what's in it.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

1. Corporations and the wealthy will benefit most from the tax reform bill proposed by the Senate. The middle class will get little in comparison.

Speed, when 70% of the taxes paid COMES from those upperclass folk, any cut we give, WILL always benefit them the most..

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Voters roundly rejected this abomination.

The results will be felt in November.

That is unless the Turd Reich shuts down the media beforehand.

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SPAMOIDS™
WARNING - HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS - WARNING
-- CDC INSPECTOR #00666 --

you need to work on containing your turd. its spilling out all over.

[dilbert firestorm]

2 big wins for the american people.

the tax cut passed!!!! does this mean the aca mandate is gone????

the supreme court ruled in Trumps favor on the full travel ban!!!!

lib snowflakes are having a major meltdown!!!!!!

MAGA!!!!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Whose "FACTS"?

#3: Is awaiting House approval, because it wasn't in their bill.

At the moment the "mandate" isn't being enforced anyway.

The CBO for one. Do you disagree? From everything released on the tax reform plan do you not think it gives more benefits to corporations and the rich than middle-income people? Do you disagree with those that state that the tax reform plan will add at least $1 trillion to the deficit over 10 years? Or maybe you believe those who say the probable increase in the deficit will be made up by increased spending. Good luck with that.

Yes the removal of the individual mandate is not currently in the House bill. The House does not have to let the increase in the deficit impact their tax reform plan. The Senate is required to factor in the impact of the tax plan on the deficit, so they included the removal of the individual mandate which would save money. If the individual mandate is being ignored, how will formally removing it save money? Estimates are that it will save $300 billion over 10 years.

" In the Congressional Budget Office's analysis of the Senate tax bill, the cuts would add $1.414 trillion to the deficit by 2027. That estimate does not include the amount that would be offset by the economic growth spurred by tax cuts. "

"Every time I eye the GOP's tax plan, I'm reminded of Ebenezer Scrooge's wish to "decrease the surplus population" of the working class and poor.


Scrooge's sentiment is re-animated in myriad ways that punish retired, working folks and the poor in recent GOP attempts to reward the ultra-affluent and corporations in their version of "tax reform."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwas.../#407af1886c1e

"Our main takeaway: The Trump plan and the 2003 Bush cuts were harder on the middle class than anything else in our sample, with both giving outsize benefit to those earning more than $100,000 a year in the first year after implementation."

"https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/04/is-the-gop-tax-plan-an-unprecedented-windfall-for-the-wealthy-we-look-at-50-years-of-data-to-find-out/?utm_term=.b00b5974a566"

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by garhkal

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Speed, when 70% of the taxes paid COMES from those upperclass folk, any cut we give, WILL always benefit them the most..

I don't disagree with that statement at all. Just don't tell the middle class of this country, which makes up the majority, that there will be "tremendous, tremendous, tax cuts and tax relief." From what I can tell, I will benefit more than most in the middle class and, while nice, it is hardly a game-changer in my life.

"Trump, who spoke to reporters as he departed the White House for New York, said the overhaul of the tax code constituted the “largest tax cuts in the history of our country.”



“They’re going to get tremendous, tremendous tax cuts and tax relief and that’s what this country needs,” he said."

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

lib snowflakes are having a major meltdown!!!!!!

MAGA!!!!

And just see how many are protesting outside the Scotus now, in suport of that gay couple in their push to smack upside the head, bakers who wish to refuse them service..

[TheDaliLama]

“Tax rates are merely legal minimums. You are free to send as much as you’d like.”

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by garhkal

And just see how many are protesting outside the Scotus now, in suport of that gay couple in their push to smack upside the head, bakers who wish to refuse them service..

If a gay person refused to bake a cake for a Muslim wedding...whose side would the liberal take?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

There are provisions in the bill that relate to oil in the Arctic refuge, for example, or allowances for churches to partake in politics without losing their tax exempt status -- so much for the separation of church and state. Those sorts of provisions bother me.

Ok, now you're finally getting specific. Those two provisions are ancillary ones. I don't particularly like them either, but I don't judge or reject the entire bill because of them.

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

I dislike waste and porkbarrel. (In the public or private sector.) Those -porkbarrel- comprise a substantial feature of the so-called "swamp"...

"Pork barrel" refers to the spending side. A tax bill deals with the revenue side. If you hate pork, then you should be lobbying against appropriations bills, not tax bills.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Ok, now you're finally getting specific. Those two provisions are ancillary ones. I don't particularly like them either, but I don't judge or reject the entire bill because of them.




"Pork barrel" refers to the spending side. A tax bill deals with the revenue side. If you hate pork, then you should be lobbying against appropriations bills, not tax bills.

The only lobbying he does is when he sweeps a hotels lobby’s floor.