The Senate tax bill eliminates the ACA individual mandate.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Effectively there is no "mandate" currently. Remember Trump's EO.

Why? HE doesn’t. If he can’t eat it, fuck it, or Tweet about it, it doesn’t stay in that mass of shit under his combover.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Effectively there is no "mandate" currently. Remember Trump's EO.

Trumps EO eliminated the subsidies to the insurance companies.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/1...rance.amp.html

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wonder if a bunch of old geezer whose premiums go up say, "Hey , thanks Donald!"

There is a ying and a yang.

People forget that Ronald Reagan signed into law the first Universal Health Care Law here in this country....it has had many unintended problems

That's all Liberals are good for is Ying Yang. This country is in need of something much more than that.



Jim

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

That's all Liberals are good for is Ying Yang. This country is in need of something much more than that.



Jim

Like what, you fucking RETARD?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Like what, you fucking RETARD?

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[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bambino

Trumps EO eliminated the subsidies to the insurance companies.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/1...rance.amp.html

That's different.
He signed an EO that agencies (IRS) were not to enforce the mandate.

Entitled:

Executive Order Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal
Signed January 20, 2017 (Day One after being sworn.)

Sec. 2. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies (agencies) with authorities and responsibilities under the Act shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.

The following week I checked with a CPA and an accountant who did tax work to see if anything had "come down" about an amended form or supplemental form and/or instructions on how to implement the order when filing. When I checked back none had been published.

We may face a similar situation with the current "cuts" depending on what gets implemented in 2018. IMO the tax cuts need to be effective in 2018. Because "we" were constantly being told with the ACA that the negative "changes" were being put off until AFTER the next election for obvious reasons. These changes need to be implemented BEFORE the next election, so voters can see the reality in their pay checks before they have to vote.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

That's different.
He signed an EO that agencies (IRS) were not to enforce the mandate.

Entitled:


The following week I checked with a CPA and an accountant who did tax work to see if anything had "come down" about an amended form or supplemental form and/or instructions on how to implement the order when filing. When I checked back none had been published.

We may face a similar situation with the current "cuts" depending on what gets implemented in 2018. IMO the tax cuts need to be effective in 2018. Because "we" were constantly being told with the ACA that the negative "changes" were being put off until AFTER the next election for obvious reasons. These changes need to be implemented BEFORE the next election, so voters can see the reality in their pay checks before they have to vote.

A President’s EO can’t override Federal law. The individual mandate is federal law. Thanks to Judge Roberts who deemed it a tax. Only Congress can change it. It appears that they will.

[Yssup Rider]

And then...

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by bambino

A President’s EO can’t override Federal law. The individual mandate is federal law. Thanks to Judge Roberts who deemed it a tax. Only Congress can change it. It appears that they will.

He didn't override "Federal Law"!

He just told his agencies to "waive" enforcement of it ....

... just like he can suspend the deportation of illegal aliens.

The IRS makes "adjustments" ALL THE TIME!!!!

He issued an EO on "enforcement" of the immigration laws!

Upheld by the Courts!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

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CONGRATULATIONS, LLIARMAN!

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Like what, you fucking RETARD?

Like suppressing the Democratic party into furthering this country into oblivion. Now take a seat and stay out of the way.

Jim

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

That's what StandInShit does! (Pay the high premiums/deductibles!)

So he can't figure out why those other people don't do as he does!

Gruber is still laughing at him.

Maybe he feels everyone should be forced to buy it, NO FINE, just forced to buy in..

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by bambino

My HC insurance has gone thru the roof since the ACA. A few years ago I was paying $980 monthly premium and a $2500 deductible for a family of 4. I just received my ACA plan for next year. $1400 monthly premium and a $5000 desductable for two people.

The cost of your health insurance went up because risk pools on the government exchanges are not balanced. The high risk people are buying, the low risk people are not buying. The ratio of low risk to high risk policyholders is less than 35%, when that happens the premium price will increase.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by StandinStraight

The purpose of the mandate was to force more people into the insurance pool, this keeps premium costs down because the more people you have in the pool the further the risk is spread out, that’s how all insurances work. That’s why if you drive a car you have to have insurance regardless of your driving abilities or wants.
Without the mandate you end up with more sick people in the pool and higher premiums for all of us. Plus some of those that choose not to have insurance will still get sick when they go to the emergency rooms they get treatment that we will have to pay for.
The mandate was a good thing that helped to insure more people and keep costs down!
The only reason it is being taken away is to give more of a tax break to the wealthy!

The only reason Anyone would applaud its demise is ignorance, prejudice, or greed.

+1

Basically a good post. The purpose of the mandate was to get more low risk people into the risk pool. Adding more people who are already sick would not bring the premium price down. The high risk policyholder does not need to be encouraged. The high risk policy holder or someone who is already sick will buy the insurance because they know that the health insurance will be cheaper than paying out of pocket. You are right being "self insured" only works if you don't get really sick. Unfortunately there are many who post on here who just don't understand that.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by garhkal

Maybe he feels everyone should be forced to buy it, NO FINE, just forced to buy in..

Maybe he knows better! They can't be forced to buy it, any more than you can be FORCED to buy liability insurance to drive a car.