Texas disappoints again

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by craze danz

Something like cheating needs to be backed up with a little thing we call evidence. Hearing Trump declare that it happened, even 5 minutes after he realized he would not win during election night, does not present anything useful by itself. Allegations. Not going to get you far in court.

Collecting and counting ballots in 50 different states and all counties within - that's a whole lot of moving parts, wouldn't you agree? Trump basically claimed DURING election night that he was instantaneously able to see all of that and see solid evidence of widespread fraud(a cult leader never need show proof to his devoted followers). Rudy Looneyani also claimed to have this super power.

Yeah, I mean. Maybe things like Pennsylvania completely ignoring election laws, Arizona boarding up the windows during the counting process, sprinklers mysteriously going off and Biden somehow making up a massive 11 point deficit in Pennsylvania in the dead of night might be cause for doubt.

But, let's ignore all of that.

Cheating did occur. When the social media and the news actively censors him, that's what you call cheating.

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Yeah, I mean. Maybe things like Pennsylvania completely ignoring election laws, Arizona boarding up the windows during the counting process, sprinklers mysteriously going off and Biden somehow making up a massive 11 point deficit in Pennsylvania in the dead of night might be cause for doubt.

But, let's ignore all of that.

Cheating did occur. When the social media and the news actively censors him, that's what you call cheating.

Hey, if that's all true and the Dems are so powerful, why didn't they just cheat in 2016 and avoid a Trump presidency altogether?

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

Hey, if that's all true and the Dems are so powerful, why didn't they just cheat in 2016 and avoid a Trump presidency altogether?

Because they thought the combination of fake news, clipped quotes and mainstream media double standards would be enough to drag Killary's ass across the line.

Little did they know, they would have to actively censor a sitting President to do it, combined with changing election laws, massive mail-in votes to actually "win."

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Because they thought the combination of fake news, clipped quotes and mainstream media double standards would be enough to drag Killary's ass across the line.

Little did they know, they would have to actively censor a sitting President to do it, combined with changing election laws, massive mail-in votes to actually "win."

Why did all the Trump-appointed Republican judges throw out every single election fraud case due to lack of evidence?

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

Why did all the Trump-appointed Republican judges throw out every single election fraud case due to lack of evidence?

The same reason "conservative" justices picked by Bush OK'd Obamacare.

Because they were shitty justices.

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

The same reason "conservative" justices picked by Bush OK'd Obamacare.

Because they were shitty justices.

What do you mean by "shitty"?

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

What do you mean by "shitty"?

Because the justice's OK'd Obamacare, even though no laws were passed. Because they threw away a case that, at the least, had multiple questions regarding integrity of elections.

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Because the justice's OK'd Obamacare, even though no laws were passed. Because they threw away a case that, at the least, had multiple questions regarding integrity of elections.

I don't know what Obamacare has to do with anything (Obamacare is law, actually). The claim was that there was evidence of fraud. None was produced, and that's why they threw it away. None has been produced since. Are you saying you know better than all these Republican judges? Do you have the evidence?

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

I don't know what Obamacare has to do with anything (Obamacare is law, actually). The claim was that there was evidence of fraud. None was produced, and that's why they threw it away. None has been produced since. Are you saying you know better than all these Republican judges? Do you have the evidence?

Obamacare isn't law. It was rammed through the Supreme Court unde the guise of a "tax."

Numerous irregularities have been brought up regarding the election. Things such as the courts changing how elections are conducted, massive mailing inconsistencies, randomly stopping counting, calling states before counts have finished counting, lack of transparency regarding the process, Biden votes exceeding the number of registered voters in a county and so on.

These are all concerns people have brought up in multiple states, yet, nobody is allowed to even question the election.

If it was the most fair election in history, if Biden really got more votes than 08 Obama did, if he was truly the most popular candidate in the history of the country, if there was absolutely no way Biden didn't cheat, why weren't cases head about this? Why are people actively being censored for even mentioning this in social media posts or making Youtube videos? I mean, the Democrats have nothing to hide, right? So why are they forcing all of the powers-that-be to shut anyone down for questioning?

So, the Democrats can spend 3 years crying about Russia having a hand in Trump winning in 16 off a bullshit dossier that they got, but the other side can't question things?

Howdy, are you ever tired of being wrong?

Every discussion we've had, you've been wrong on.

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Obamacare isn't law. It was rammed through the Supreme Court unde the guise of a "tax."

It was signed into law. Do you know what a law is? Are you okay?

Originally Posted by Aoi

Numerous irregularities have been brought up regarding the election. Things such as the courts changing how elections are conducted, massive mailing inconsistencies, randomly stopping counting, calling states before counts have finished counting, lack of transparency regarding the process, Biden votes exceeding the number of registered voters in a county and so on.

These are all concerns people have brought up in multiple states, yet, nobody is allowed to even question the election.

If it was the most fair election in history, if Biden really got more votes than 08 Obama did, if he was truly the most popular candidate in the history of the country, if there was absolutely no way Biden didn't cheat, why weren't cases head about this? Why are people actively being censored for even mentioning this in social media posts or making Youtube videos? I mean, the Democrats have nothing to hide, right? So why are they forcing all of the powers-that-be to shut anyone down for questioning?

So, the Democrats can spend 3 years crying about Russia having a hand in Trump winning in 16 off a bullshit dossier that they got, but the other side can't question things?

Howdy, are you ever tired of being wrong?

Every discussion we've had, you've been wrong on.

The difference between us in our discussions is that I provide evidence whereas you merely offer conjecture as to why there is none for your claims. I don't mean this insultingly, but I do believe you are delusional in a lot of what you believe.

Every "irregularity" has been debunked. No evidence has been provided. Debunked "concerns" do not equal evidence. If you have some real evidence you can site that I can look at, I'd love to see it.

Now I'm not a Democrat, but there is a significant difference between the losers of 2016 and 2020: Clinton conceded the next day.

I don't even know what to say about your "censorship" claims. We haven't heard the end of the alleged fraud since November. And there have been a lot of high profile people beating that drum (no one at Fox News though). Remember Mike Lindell? He claimed to have evidence of fraud. He hosted a conference to reveal it all. Remember how that went?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypill...-election-hack

There was also the Maricopa County audit in Arizona, that Republicans funded to find out the truth. They just published their findings: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ari...it-2021-09-24/

So, Aoi, what is it going to take for you to live in the real world with the rest of us? Because you are just not all here my friend.

[craze danz]

Originally Posted by Aoi

The same reason "conservative" justices picked by Bush OK'd Obamacare.

Because they were shitty justices.

And the goalposts just keep on moving!

I sure hope the Kool aid tastes good, Aoi.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

It was signed into law. Do you know what a law is? Are you okay?

My apologies, I conflated the Obamacare mandate that forced everyone to purchase insurance or pay a penalty. That part wasn't constitutional and was pushed via Supreme Court.

The difference between us in our discussions is that I provide evidence whereas you merely offer conjecture as to why there is none for your claims.

Conjectures? Yes. But things that should be investigated? Absolutely. If Biden did win and I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I have no problem in saying that Pedo Joe won the election. But that does not mean questions shouldn't be answered with scrutiny the way Dems always seem to do with Trump.

What evidence have you claimed in any of our past discussions? Your position the vaccine mandate is all over the place and doesn't line up philosophically. And when I questioned you about it, you didn't respond once.

I don't mean this insultingly, but I do believe you are delusional in a lot of what you believe.

See, when the other guy is rebutting you point by point and you routinely chicken out and strawman, you calling them delusional holds no merit.

Every "irregularity" has been debunked. No evidence has been provided. Debunked "concerns" do not equal evidence.

Oh, okay. So, when the Democrats cried "The Russians did it, the Russians did it!" about Trump in 16, The house (which was controlled by the Dems) spent north of 10 million dollars on an "investigation" and congressional hearings. That's okay to you? But when conservatives say "hey, that's not normal" regarding numerous irregularities, social media, the mainstream media, and everyone actively censors any and all talk about the election.

And you call me delusional? Let's say, for the sake of argument, I'm wrong. Why haven't there been any largescale congressional movements regarding that? Did the Republican's hire a special prosecutor like the Dems hired Mueler to look into "Russia!"? Nope.

Btw, I say conservatives because the Republicans are even worse that Democrats and do not represent anything their constituents believe.

If you have some real evidence you can site that I can look at, I'd love to see it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/electio...de-11609962846

Now I'm not a Democrat, but there is a significant difference between the losers of 2016 and 2020: Clinton conceded the next day.

Are you fucking stupid? When Trump won in 2016, half the country went crazy and there were literal protests and riots. Following up with nonstop crying about how America is racist and how Trump is racist and all that same tired Democrat bullshit. And celebrities even tried to get the electoral college to change their votes because "morals"

You say I don't live in the real world, but you can't even bring this up? Fuck. off.

I don't even know what to say about your "censorship" claims.

They censored the incredibly damning Biden tapes of him blackmailing a Ukrainian prosecutor over Bursima holdings. Posts were literally deleted about this on FB and Twitter. The mainstream media routinely ignored the numerous racist and damning Biden statements. After the election, Trump was kicked off Twitter.

You're right. You don't know what to say because you clearly don't know a thing. But that's par for the course for you.

We haven't heard the end of the alleged fraud since November. And there have been a lot of high profile people beating that drum (no one at Fox News though). Remember Mike Lindell? He claimed to have evidence of fraud. He hosted a conference to reveal it all. Remember how that went?

I don't follow Mike Lindell beyond having purchased some of his pillows. Why is he relevant again? He isn't. If you look on any social media and Youtube content, people literally cannot question the results of the election for fear of strikes and/or content removal. That's why when independent Youtubers mention Biden winning the election, they have to preface it by saying "I am not sayng "Biden lost but..." Seriously, go to any conservative Youtuber. This is the same thing with the vaccine. People literally can't say "Don't take the vaccine" or there will be hell to pay by the powers that be.

There was also the Maricopa County audit in Arizona, that Republicans funded to find out the truth. They just published their findings: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ari...it-2021-09-24/

Do I think Trump won every county that he's bitching about? Nope. Is it possible he lost some? Absolutely. I have no problem in saying Trump lost in 2020 fair and square on vote counts alone. However, to say it was a fair election with the mainstream media actively protecting Biden and creating narratives for Trump would be ignorant. When all of the institutions protect one candidate and actively judge and lie about the other, that's cheating.

So, Aoi, what is it going to take for you to live in the real world with the rest of us? Because you are just not all here my friend.

I do live in the real world. And in this real world, sometimes we have to ask questions instead of going by what everyone says. Sometimes, we should listen to the people who do speak these fringe ideas. And yes, sometimes those concerns turn out to be nothing. If I'm wrong about something or are proven wrong about something, so be it.

But you, OTOH.. Tell me, when are you going to stop being such an authoritative ass hole who wants everyone to do what you (or the people you support) wants? When are you going to stop hiding behind your "the rest of us"? When are you going to stop being such a fucking lemming who only follows the big crowds?

Originally Posted by craze danz

And the goalposts just keep on moving!

I sure hope the Kool aid tastes good, Aoi.

But I'm not wrong about the Obamcare MANDATE, which was what I was referring to. It was my mistake for not including that.

Saying someone is drinking Kool-aid because you're too dumb to come up with an argument doesn't make me look bad. It makes you look like a lemming void of any thought processes beyond what late night comics tell you. Stop it.

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Aoi

My apologies, I conflated the Obamacare mandate that forced everyone to purchase insurance or pay a penalty. That part wasn't constitutional and was pushed via Supreme Court.

Apology accepted. I'll go further and say that Obamacare, despite dealing with a glaring inadequacy in our healthcare (pre-existing conditions), was like replacing a flat tire with your steering wheel. It keeps the car rolling but into territory you don't want to be in. If you have to mandate people to pay into it for it to work, but the mandate is unconstitutional, moving the mandate to tax code is stepping around the process by which these things should go through. What we really need is a European-style multi-payer system or single-payer, but that is a can of worms I'd rather not open.

Originally Posted by Aoi

Conjectures? Yes. But things that should be investigated? Absolutely. If Biden did win and I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I have no problem in saying that Pedo Joe won the election. But that does not mean questions shouldn't be answered with scrutiny the way Dems always seem to do with Trump.

Originally Posted by Aoi

What evidence have you claimed in any of our past discussions? Your position the vaccine mandate is all over the place and doesn't line up philosophically. And when I questioned you about it, you didn't respond once.

See, when the other guy is rebutting you point by point and you routinely chicken out and strawman, you calling them delusional holds no merit.

Dude, I have provided so many links for a lot of my positions! I don't think I've made any argument that wasn't backed up by evidence. And I think we've both been going point by point, but I have tried to focus on rebutting your points and not strawmanning you. You have, on the other hand, called me a lemming, a government cuck, an authoritarian, a democrat, and I think that's just in this post alone.

Originally Posted by Aoi

Oh, okay. So, when the Democrats cried "The Russians did it, the Russians did it!" about Trump in 16, The house (which was controlled by the Dems) spent north of 10 million dollars on an "investigation" and congressional hearings. That's okay to you? But when conservatives say "hey, that's not normal" regarding numerous irregularities, social media, the mainstream media, and everyone actively censors any and all talk about the election.

The Mueller thing was a huge fucking waste of time for everyone involved because it wasn't going to show any kind of tampering with the actual process of the election (of which there was none). Did the report show a foreign nation trying to influence voters. Yes. But how many other social media advertisements were paid for with foreign donations? It's all public. Was the hacking portion criminal? Sure. Did it make our election more transparent? Undoubtedly. It showed that the DNC was snubbing the popular candidate. We should be thanking those hackers.

Two differences between 2016 and 2020. Number one, evidence. There was a breach and the emails were released to the public. That is HARD evidence of mischief, none of which has been substantiated for 2020. Number two, the Democrats did not contest the facts of the election. Going off of the evidence of the hack, they investigated but did not question the legitimacy of the government. It did also result in a bunch of indictments for crimes as Trump's associates tried to cover their asses. Giant clown circus on all sides.

But ultimately, this is unrelated to the 2020 election. It's just a "what-about [x]" instead of addressing the lack of evidence for a stolen election.

Originally Posted by Aoi

And you call me delusional? Let's say, for the sake of argument, I'm wrong. Why haven't there been any largescale congressional movements regarding that? Did the Republican's hire a special prosecutor like the Dems hired Mueler to look into "Russia!"? Nope.

How many dozens of lawsuits were filed in the days after the election contesting it?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2AF1G1

The Arizona Republican party just concluded an audit where they DID hire someone to look into their election and now Texas is doing the same. Maybe delusional is too strong a word and I apologize, but what do you call this if not a refutation to your point?

Originally Posted by Aoi

Btw, I say conservatives because the Republicans are even worse that Democrats and do not represent anything their constituents believe.

Well, we have some common ground there. It's why I'm not a Democrat.

Originally Posted by Aoi

https://www.wsj.com/articles/electio...de-11609962846

Let me give you the subheading of the article you just linked:
"President Trump’s campaign and its allies have lost dozens of court cases challenging President-elect Joe Biden’s win"

A debunked claim does not constitute evidence.

Originally Posted by Aoi

Are you fucking stupid? When Trump won in 2016, half the country went crazy and there were literal protests and riots. Following up with nonstop crying about how America is racist and how Trump is racist and all that same tired Democrat bullshit. And celebrities even tried to get the electoral college to change their votes because "morals"

You say I don't live in the real world, but you can't even bring this up? Fuck. off.

Tell me: did I say there weren't protests? Did I say there weren't riots? No, it definitely happened in both years, don't strawman me on this. Protests I'm definitely cool with. Riots, I'm not, and I'll condemn them on both sides. But the difference between the two responses was the conduct of the losing candidate.

Oh, and Clinton didn't incite a riot that broke into the Capitol, there was that too

Originally Posted by Aoi

They censored the incredibly damning Biden tapes of him blackmailing a Ukrainian prosecutor over Bursima holdings. Posts were literally deleted about this on FB and Twitter. The mainstream media routinely ignored the numerous racist and damning Biden statements. After the election, Trump was kicked off Twitter.

You're right. You don't know what to say because you clearly don't know a thing. But that's par for the course for you.

The Burisma thing is still in the news though, which is good. The corruption and influence-peddling has to stop, and this back and forth whataboutism isn't helping us get money out of politics. It's bullshit and no one should cover for Hunter Biden.

Trump was booted from twitter because he used the platform to incite a riot. That's not censorship, it's consequences.

Originally Posted by Aoi

I don't follow Mike Lindell beyond having purchased some of his pillows. Why is he relevant again? He isn't. If you look on any social media and Youtube content, people literally cannot question the results of the election for fear of strikes and/or content removal. That's why when independent Youtubers mention Biden winning the election, they have to preface it by saying "I am not sayng "Biden lost but..." Seriously, go to any conservative Youtuber. This is the same thing with the vaccine. People literally can't say "Don't take the vaccine" or there will be hell to pay by the powers that be.

First, let's establish that the federal government is not behind any of this censorship. They have filed no suits (except against protestors that broke into the Capitol).

These companies have decided to censor this content because they have deemed it dangerous misinformation and don't want it on their platforms. I generally disagree with that assessment, I think people can make up their own minds and judge the validity of information on their own (even if they don't actually do it). The judgment that it's "dangerous" kind of makes sense if you view it as dangerous to the institutions that guarantee our rights.

Originally Posted by Aoi

Do I think Trump won every county that he's bitching about? Nope. Is it possible he lost some? Absolutely. I have no problem in saying Trump lost in 2020 fair and square on vote counts alone. However, to say it was a fair election with the mainstream media actively protecting Biden and creating narratives for Trump would be ignorant. When all of the institutions protect one candidate and actively judge and lie about the other, that's cheating.

If your issue is the partisan nature of personality-driven news media, I'm right there with you. It absolutely divides us more than it should. MSNBC, Fox, CNN, I think all of their anchors are a net-negative.

But let's be careful about word choice here. "Cheating" and unfair" could imply voter fraud, and not partisan bias, which you appear to mean.

Also, Trump won in 2016. Do you think the left-wing media was more fair to Trump in 2016 and that's why he won?

Originally Posted by Aoi

I do live in the real world. And in this real world, sometimes we have to ask questions instead of going by what everyone says. Sometimes, we should listen to the people who do speak these fringe ideas. And yes, sometimes those concerns turn out to be nothing. If I'm wrong about something or are proven wrong about something, so be it.

Absolutely. I totally agree with you, up to a point. Assertions require evidence, and if none can be found, well... at what point do you stop listening to the fringe?

Let's say someone believes in unicorns. Now I can't absolutely say unicorns don't exist (you can't prove a negative, after all). And maybe I look everywhere this person says they've seen them and don't find them. Maybe I was unlucky, and maybe they're just good at hiding. There is still that tiny percent chance that I'm wrong. However, I'm not going to make any important life decisions based on that tiny chance.

Originally Posted by Aoi

But you, OTOH.. Tell me, when are you going to stop being such an authoritative ass hole who wants everyone to do what you (or the people you support) wants? When are you going to stop hiding behind your "the rest of us"? When are you going to stop being such a fucking lemming who only follows the big crowds?

How did all this straw get in my shirt again?

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by howdy_booty

Why did all the Trump-appointed Republican judges throw out every single election fraud case due to lack of evidence?

I'm wondering how the Repubs are gonna explain that the Cyber Ninjas were infiltrated with Demos who declared Biden won Arizona?

[howdy_booty]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

I'm wondering how the Repubs are gonna explain that the Cyber Ninjas were infiltrated with Demos who declared Biden won Arizona?

Hilariously, they found more Biden votes and fewer Trump votes than were reported during the 2020 election.