What kind of man pimps a woman?

[Longermonger]

Originally Posted by ScubaBad

Maybe 1 out of a million pimped girls have "Her place" that is anything like this "reversal" of yours.

Those are solid numbers based solely on your opinion.

If you think about it, are there even a million hookers in the United States? How many of them are "pimped girls"? You just made a pie in the sky number. 4 out of 5 dentists think you're wrong.

[luvinkdgrlz]

Some of you talk about "everyone has a choice" and "why do ladies allow it"... try making a choice to leave when you have a gun pointed at your head (I know a provider that went through this with a former pimp).

The reasons why ladies stay with pimps are often no different than the reasons why ladies stay in abusive relationships in general:
http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/...ns-women-stay/

On the surface it seems it should be easy to get out of these situations... I certainly thought so until I met and talked to ladies inside and outside the hobby that have been through abusive relationships. It's not easy.

[Guest090920]

No one said it was easy. Actually, considering what some of us have learned in this sub-culture over the years, it is anything but easy.

[ss4699]

Originally Posted by SexyKaylen

+ 1
I would love to know this too.lol

But getting those answers will be difficult....

Originally Posted by luvinkdgrlz

Some of you talk about "everyone has a choice" and "why do ladies allow it"... try making a choice to leave when you have a gun pointed at your head (I know a provider that went through this with a former pimp).

The reasons why ladies stay with pimps are often no different than the reasons why ladies stay in abusive relationships in general:
http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/...ns-women-stay/

On the surface it seems it should be easy to get out of these situations... I certainly thought so until I met and talked to ladies inside and outside the hobby that have been through abusive relationships. It's not easy.

I am sure that is valid and cause and effect are similar it would seem...

Originally Posted by scorpio31

No one said it was easy. Actually, considering what some of us have learned in this sub-culture over the years, it is anything but easy.

And I think most would agree, once in, hard out.....
To get real valid answers a national poll is probably the only way...

[Urban Dahlia]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

When you can't understand something, like why a woman would allow herself to be pimped, it often helps to reverse the situation and put yourself in her place.

So here goes:

Let's say that you're a male prostitute, and you bang chicks for money. To make this work, women are going to have to be as attracted to your old ass as much as you are to those sexy TGTBT spinners on Backpage. We'll also have to change your client base to legal-to-30 and under 150 lbs just so your dick can function. Now that reality is tweaked let's continue.

Okay. You've got a lady pimp. She takes care of you and protects you. She fucks you whenever she wants and you're happy to get fucked by her because she's hot. Not only that, but she wants you to fuck all her girlfriends. Scratch that. She makes you fuck all of her girlfriends. Sometimes they even gang bang you. She even goes so far as to place ads and make you fuck random chicks that come to your hotel room.

For banging hot chicks all day and all night you get thousands of dollars of untaxed cash. $$$

Your she-pimp takes a chunk of that, but you don't give a shit because you love your job. Sometimes she even smacks you around. Who cares? Not you! You just laugh it off and have some chick suck your dick and ride you cowgirl. You set your own hours and drink and smoke what you like when you like.

Now some do-gooder comes along and offers to "save" you from this lifestyle so you can work 29 hours a week at Walmart. You tell them to fuck off, right?

This "structured lifestyle" would be any man's Paradise, and any (most) woman's Hell (LOL).

The differences between men and women never cease to make me giggle and smile lol.

I don't believe the problem is trying to "save" girls from the Hobby, but that they are not being "Empowered" to make "their Own" Choices.

It is truly amazing what a woman can Accomplish/Change in her life when others show/teach her how to grasp a few concepts of Empowerment:
(1) Her Worth/Value/Equality
(2) Her Power/Strength/Abilities
(3) Self-Love/Respect/Confidence

Give those Gifts to a woman, and she can either Choose two things:

(1) Decide to stay in the hobby running her own business independently because she Wants to NOT because she needs/has to do this job.

OR

(2) Decide to get out of the hobby all together to become someone/something else that makes her feel good, if working in the hobby no longer makes her happy.

Either choice, in my opinion, is a Success story as long as they go from being helpless to self-sufficient.

More often than not in this hobby, at some point down the road she will come to a fork in the road. There she will choose to get out because she will realize that she wants something more out of her life. When that moment happens is completely personal and unique for each woman. It could happen one year into the hobby, or twenty years later. When it's right, it's right. Only she can make that decision.

To try to "save" a woman from the hobby without Empowering her is more than likely going to be completely disastrous as she will most likely return to the hobby.

To try to "save" a woman in the hobby from drug/alcohol abuse, a dangerous pimp/husband/boyfriend, long term negative effects of childhood sexual abuse (etc...) is something that will flourish for a Lifetime.

This is what I tell everyone...
Create A Life Worth Living
Everything else just seems to fall into its prospective place when you focus on doing that.

[DestinyInKC]

Originally Posted by Urban Dahlia

This "structured lifestyle" would be any man's Paradise, and any (most) woman's Hell (LOL).

The differences between men and women never cease to make me giggle and smile lol.

I don't believe the problem is trying to "save" girls from the Hobby, but that they are not being "Empowered" to make "their Own" Choices.

It is truly amazing what a woman can Accomplish/Change in her life when others show/teach her how to grasp a few concepts of Empowerment:
(1) Her Worth/Value/Equality
(2) Her Power/Strength/Abilities
(3) Self-Love/Respect/Confidence

Give those Gifts to a woman, and she can either Choose two things:

(1) Decide to stay in the hobby running her own business independently because she Wants to NOT because she needs/has to do this job.

OR

(2) Decide to get out of the hobby all together to become someone/something else that makes her feel good, if working in the hobby no longer makes her happy.

Either choice, in my opinion, is a Success story as long as they go from being helpless to self-sufficient.

More often than not in this hobby, at some point down the road she will come to a fork in the road. There she will choose to get out because she will realize that she wants something more out of her life. When that moment happens is completely personal and unique for each woman. It could happen one year into the hobby, or twenty years later. When it's right, it's right. Only she can make that decision.

To try to "save" a woman from the hobby without Empowering her is more than likely going to be completely disastrous as she will most likely return to the hobby.

To try to "save" a woman in the hobby from drug/alcohol abuse, a dangerous pimp/husband/boyfriend, long term negative effects of childhood sexual abuse (etc...) is something that will flourish for a Lifetime.

This is what I tell everyone...
Create A Life Worth Living

Well said!
+1000

[luvinkdgrlz]

Originally Posted by Urban Dahlia

To try to "save" a woman from the hobby without Empowering her is more than likely going to be completely disastrous as she will most likely return to the hobby.

+1000. I learned that the hard way.

[JackJohnson]

A lot of these posts talk about abuse, violence, empowerment, women's role in society as objects of sexualization (which some exploit, that's why we have the world's older profession...)

But what seems to be lacking is a focus on the real thing that ties all of this together, and the folks on this website.

MONEY.

Women who don't have opportunities otherwise offer themselves for a profit. Escorts may enjoy what they do, but you do it for money. Men offer money for services, we have menus where you can pay more for other services, etc. Pimping is about economic exploitation as much as it is about power over women. It's not unlike child labor sweatshops in the United States and other countries, or immigrant labor that is sometimes held as slaves.

Yes, it happens here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pickle_Company

We can challenge manhood, label abusers, etc, but in the end... there is little difference between the John Pickle Company and pimps. Many companies exploit workers... and escorts can't unionize (well they do in some countries).

There are no official government services like in Switzerland, where they build pull-in parking lots for street escorts to service men in cars.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...boxes/2700877/

Woman make decisions for many reasons, and those who exploit vulnerable folks, do so to make money off of them, in many different occupations. Trafficking of women from other countries, or women lured into trafficking in this country are a global problem. The pimps have organizations in many places... its a criminal organization.

I'm not detracting from anyone's point. I am just trying to frame the discussion in terms of a non-unique form of economic exploitation that happens in sweatshops, in corporations, in sex trafficking rings, in many different places, and in many different forms. To separate out "pimps and hos" sort of makes the problem look like more of a local phenomenon, when in reality, the world's oldest profession follows the worlds oldest motivation...

I WANT MONEY!!!

The reasons women do this are many, but the thing that ties them all together is money. Maybe they have no other opportunities, like athletes in the inner cities, or rural areas maybe their body is a ticket out. Allows them to travel and enjoy a life they wouldn't otherwise live... *shrug* What I do know is that its about money.

Legalization may be an answer, but the John Pickle's will still be waiting in the wings, and the bus depot will still be a place for men to find naïve women to exploit. It's the dirty side of this business that we all participate in, but want to sometimes pretend that we are not a part of. It's impossible to avoid. But we can all at least acknowledge it and do the best we can.

In the end, I think we are... or at least I'm hopeful! Ever hopeful.



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[Guest013121]

Originally Posted by luvinkdgrlz

Some of you talk about "everyone has a choice" and "why do ladies allow it"... try making a choice to leave when you have a gun pointed at your head (I know a provider that went through this with a former pimp).

The reasons why ladies stay with pimps are often no different than the reasons why ladies stay in abusive relationships in general:
http://www.domesticabuseproject.com/...ns-women-stay/

On the surface it seems it should be easy to get out of these situations... I certainly thought so until I met and talked to ladies inside and outside the hobby that have been through abusive relationships. It's not easy.

As Scorpio said, nobody said it was an easy choice but easy choices often aren't the ones that put us in bad situations. On a personal note, 7 years ago I was approached by a guy who believed himself to be a pimp. He physically threatened me demanding my money. I chose to fight back instead of giving him my money. I made the choice to fight back and prove I wouldn't submit to anyone. So I don't feel sorry for people when I hear them say its not easy to get out of that situation. Its about having the strength and willpower to make the right choice. Yes, the easier choice would've been to give him my money and walk away without getting beat. But I would've felt weak and probably submissive for the rest of my life. So did I pay for my choice? Fuck yea. But do I regret it?? Fuck no. I have been on both sides of the fence, which is why I'm very observant and so independent. Same goes for domestic violence victims. I don't have a soft heart for women that stay in that situation. So, I completely disagree with you luvin. I would rather fight back and take a bullet than show weakness and stay in an abusive relationship. I'm not scared to die with pride, I'm scared to die unhappy and weak.

[blk07lac]

Personally I think a lot of the fuss about pimps is usually a man who has to p2p doesn't like the idea of providing for another man. So the ladies say they areN't managed to get more business. It's kind of like the NBA policies. Some of those ladies just post that to appear more appealing to the majority of the market. Let's just say that the said lady was married that money is still going to another man. I feel sorry for the ladies who work to feed their habits. If you have a husband or pimp that beats you there are programs and white knights that will help you! Would I see a battered lady, No. Would I see a lady who I knew was doing some strong drugs and didn't really know what she was doing during my visit nope.

[ss4699]

I want to thank all of those who chose to share. Many well though of posts and some insight I have gained as well. Have not been around much lately and may be gone again soon, but the group is a sharing and caring group! If people would be as insightful in the other world, I think things might change in our "other world" and in the surface world as well.

[bigcockpussylicker]

Originally Posted by Gemma34

As Scorpio said, nobody said it was an easy choice but easy choices often aren't the ones that put us in bad situations. On a personal note, 7 years ago I was approached by a guy who believed himself to be a pimp. He physically threatened me demanding my money. I chose to fight back instead of giving him my money. I made the choice to fight back and prove I wouldn't submit to anyone. So I don't feel sorry for people when I hear them say its not easy to get out of that situation. Its about having the strength and willpower to make the right choice. Yes, the easier choice would've been to give him my money and walk away without getting beat. But I would've felt weak and probably submissive for the rest of my life. So did I pay for my choice? Fuck yea. But do I regret it?? Fuck no. I have been on both sides of the fence, which is why I'm very observant and so independent. Same goes for domestic violence victims. I don't have a soft heart for women that stay in that situation. So, I completely disagree with you luvin. I would rather fight back and take a bullet than show weakness and stay in an abusive relationship. I'm not scared to die with pride, I'm scared to die unhappy and weak.

how do you feel about people addicted to smoking?
Was it there fault for ever starting?
What about drugs/junkies?

BTW, I think it shows a lot about you that you didnt submit to someone who wanted to be your pimp.. sounds scary to me, as he was likely bigger and much much uglier

[CaptainKaos]

Originally Posted by blk07lac

Personally I think a lot of the fuss about pimps is usually a man who has to p2p doesn't like the idea of providing for another man.

I don't think that's it at all. I think most people associate pimps as being a bad element and a source of danger for providers and clients. When I've read reviews or comments about spotting management, it's usually that the managers acted or looked like the type of people who wouldn't think twice about robbing you.

Personally, what I don't like is when I see a provider supporting an entourage of losers (men or women, pimps or friends). It's got nothing to do with me through my purchase supporting them. It's more like I just don't like losers who can't get it together.

[luvinkdgrlz]

Originally Posted by CaptainKaos

I don't think that's it at all. I think most people associate pimps as being a bad element and a source of danger for providers and clients. When I've read reviews or comments about spotting management, it's usually that the managers acted or looked like the type of people who wouldn't think twice about robbing you.

Personally, what I don't like is when I see a provider supporting an entourage of losers (men or women, pimps or friends). It's got nothing to do with me through my purchase supporting them. It's more like I just don't like losers who can't get it together.

+1

[ScubaBad]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Those are solid numbers based solely on your opinion.

If you think about it, are there even a million hookers in the United States? How many of them are "pimped girls"? You just made a pie in the sky number. 4 out of 5 dentists think you're wrong.

Keen observation there LM. Of course it was a "pie in the sky" number and was meant to be just as stupid as your seemingly ignorant post trivializing this issue.