No Indictment In New York

[Guest022016]

Originally Posted by boardman

The law making it illegal to sell loose cigs is stupid. It's just another power and money grab by out of control politicians. They bill it as a law to prevent minors from smoking. There are already laws that are designed to do that. Enforce those. Is there something inherently wrong with me walking up to a guy on the street and giving him a quarter for a smoke? No. But because we won't enforce the laws we have we have to enact ones that go further in stepping on our freedom.ot.

I would say this law has nothing to do with minors but geared more towards targeting the homeless and low income people bc typically those are the ones you find bumming smokes.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I would say this law has nothing to do with minors but geared more towards targeting the homeless and low income people bc typically those are the ones you find bumming smokes.

or .. teenagers!

How do you think they get their booze?

I understood the "loose" smokes were being sold.

I does a law that prohibits the sale of "loose" smokes "benefit" the homeless and poor?

[CuteOldGuy]

ToyotaLover, you realize you are only magnifying your ignorance. Just some friendly advice, STFU!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

ToyotaLover, you realize you are only magnifying your ignorance. Just some friendly advice, STFU!

Coming from you that's a compliment. You still drinking? Geeeezzzzz.

[gnadfly]

Getting away from the racial aspect of this, how much "care" does the police have to exercise (or not exercise) in arresting a person before they or the law enforcement agency can be held liable for malfeasance? My apologies for not using the right legal terms.

It used to be reported several times a year that the police with a warrant would bust down a door usually for some drug charge kill the homeowner and find out that they were at the wrong address or the homeowner wasn't associated with drugs. What was the recourse in those incidences?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I have avoided politics for a couple years now bc it literally makes me ill to think of our failing system, however, I have regained some interest mainly cause my brain needs stimulation and my vagina needs a break

I really want to go off on a tangent about so many things but I keep deleting. I don't think eccie is ready for me to unleash my huge brain.

The only thing I can add to this I dont believe anyone has mentioned the choke hold was banned from being used as a maneuver in NY in 1993. The entire situation was recorded but supreme court ruled there wasn't enough evidence. I am very concerned w the overuse of deadly force lately and even more concerned that people are agreeing that it's ok. I guess I don't understand why we even have a judicial system at this point bc matters are taken care of by the police officers long before that process even starts and death should just be the standard sentence for all. This man died over selling a loose cigarette. That does not equal death or to be put in a maneuver which has been banned 20 yrs ago due to the high death rate when applying it.

The first image is of the infamous "choke hold" that was banned. Notice how it is significantly different from the take down/control hold, in the second image, Officer Pantaleo originally applied; that picture also speaks volumes about Pantaleo's 'intent': 'control' and not 'homicide'.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

or .. teenagers!

How do you think they get their booze?

I understood the "loose" smokes were being sold.

I does a law that prohibits the sale of "loose" smokes "benefit" the homeless and poor?

"How do you think they get their booze?"

Police: Students Ran High School Prostitution Ring
VENICE, Fla. — Nov 25, 2014, 5:55 PM ET

Police said 21 year old man said he paid ... $40 and a bottle of alcohol for sex.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/p...-ring-27160122

[Guest022016]

You are more the welcome to mock me w your simple and attempted trick question...I guess I don't know if that was your intention.. Dont underestimate my intelligence be cause a) im a woman b) im a provider. I came here for a challenge and sadly you did not provide one this time but thanks for including me

To answer your question it's NOT benefiting them. Ultimately, it's targeting them and allows the police to legally harass them over absolute ridiculousness perpetuating the war on classism. They are constantly fueling the hate through any and all differences to distract us from the real issues.. Divide and conquer.

The govt creates an issue (recession 2008), people are effected by the issue, and are then punished and viewed as the the issue (increased rate in homelessness) More laws imposed..I, for one, am a rule breaker...I would not deal well with living the injustices everyday. Im more than positive I'd get an attitude too for being hassled and targeted.

http://nationalhomeless.org/WordPres...homeless-laws/






And in reference to the picture...you could be correct on hold technique I truly have no clue. however, Garner repeated, "I can't breathe." I guess if my intent was simply to 'control' and I heard someone say, "I cant breathe," I'd imagine I give the man air by releasing pressure I was applying to ensure his safety.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

You are more the welcome to mock me w your simple and attempted trick question...I guess I don't know if that was your intention.. Dont underestimate my intelligence be cause a) im a woman b) im a provider. I came here for a challenge and sadly you did not provide one this time but thanks for including me

To answer your question it's NOT benefiting them. Ultimately, it's targeting them and allows the police to legally harass them over absolute ridiculousness perpetuating the war on classism. They are constantly fueling the hate through any and all differences to distract us from the real issues.. Divide and conquer.

The govt creates an issue, people are effected by the issue, and are then punished and viewed as the the issue. More laws imposed..I for one am a rule breaker...I would not deal well with living the injustices everyday. Im more than positive I'd get an attitude too for being hassled and targeted.

http://nationalhomeless.org/WordPres...homeless-laws/






And in reference to the picture...you could be correct on hold technique I truly have no clue. however, Garner repeated, "I can't breathe." I guess if my intent was simply to 'control' and I heard someone say, "I cant breathe," I'd imagine I give the man air by releasing pressure I was applying to ensure his safety.

How do you FEEL about this non-news worthy story? ... Sara

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/...red-by-blacks/







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[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

"How do you think they get their booze?"

Find an adult who will buy it for them in exchange for money or booze, get an older family member, or go the nearby "friendly" store with an easily detectable counterfeit ID.....or siblings ID.

They do smokes the same way.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Find an adult who will buy it for them in exchange for money or booze, get an older family member, or go the nearby "friendly" store with an easily detectable counterfeit ID.....or siblings ID.

They do smokes the same way.

That's the same way we did it when we were kids........long ago in a galaxy far away.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

You are more the welcome to mock me...

I didn't see anyone "mocking" you. But since it is typing on a page I could not determine the "tone" of what was said, which can make a difference. But ....

I just read a couple of articles about the black market street trade in smokes in New York, which apparently was on the rise from an increase in taxes that was "apparently" an attempt to reduce smoking .... by raising the cost. Even with the increase of "black market" sales (packs and "loosies") usage dropped.

But ... there are provisions in the law that require signage alerting to age requirements and substantial fines for failing to abide by the sales prohibitions to underage buyers as well as to selling with the tax certificates (which is a generally accepted practice for tobacco products as well as liquor, wine, and beer.)

Obviously poor people have less money to buy lots of things, including cigs. They may be impacted sooner than others ... with increased prices, but I didn't get that was the target of the law. I think it was generally directed to all those who smoke. Their increased health care costs due to continued smoking could easily justify an increase in cig taxes.

We can argue about the wisdom and effectiveness of the law, or even the focus of it, until the cows come home, but the point is ... it was in place and rather recently in place to be enforced. Kinda like those pesky stop signs! (red lights!) (speed limit signs).

Annoying as hell if you need a smoke. Fuckin' government control freaks.

[Guest022016]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

How do you FEEL about this non-news worthy story? ... Sara

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/...red-by-blacks/.

I'm not sure I FEEL a specific way. If i were a man would you ask what do I think instead?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I'm not sure I FEEL a specific way. If i were a man would you ask what do I think instead?

No.

If you were a man he would be asking you whether you enjoyed sucking cock.

And then it would start getting more rude and uglier.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

That's the same way we did it when we were kids........long ago in a galaxy far away.

Yes, sir. And it was customarily a Black man when I was a kid.

The "technique" was passed on from one generation to the next to today.

But in those days, the fear of police was they would tell your parents!!!!!

"Choke holds"? .... that would have been humane.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Getting away from the racial aspect of this, how much "care" does the police have to exercise (or not exercise) in arresting a person before they or the law enforcement agency can be held liable for malfeasance? My apologies for not using the right legal terms.

#1

It used to be reported several times a year that the police with a warrant would bust down a door usually for some drug charge kill the homeowner and find out that they were at the wrong address or the homeowner wasn't associated with drugs. What was the recourse in those incidences?

#2

#1: That is a "use of force" issue ... and sufficient force to restrain the arrestee until such time as the arrestee is secured with hand cuffs, and in some instances shackles if they have a propensity to kick. BTW: The "force continuum" goes from mere presence of the officer to deadly force. The "constitutional" standard for liability is addressed in the SCOTUS case of Tennessee vs. Garner (no relation I think). SCOTUS standards are not "the bar" but can be more restrictive by state law or statute and even departmental policy.

#2: What you described in your scenario without more is murder IMO. The cases with which I am familiar (except one in which there was a dispute) there occurred some activity visible to LE on entry that justified a response of deadly force (which is not "killing" someone), because "deadly force" does not mean "killing" someone. The remedy is a civil action based on constitutional violations based on "unreasonable" actions .. such as "unreasonable search and seizure (Tennessee vs. Garner was a "seizure" case in which the court concluded that shooting someone was a "seizure"). The "search warrant" IMO doesn't offer much protection in the execution of it as it relates to "unreasonable" activities that result in injury or death. It may justify the presence of the officers to enter, but not to go "killing" people. FYI: most states (and Feds have) a crime of resisting "search," which can be aggravated (enhanced) by the use of a deadly weapon by the citizen whose residence is entered for the search..... and of course aggravated assault on a peace officer and/or attempted capital murder of a peace officer....to murder of a peace officer (capital offense).

Search to me, like arrest, should be cooperative (not "agreeable" or "consentual") and fight about the validity of the warrant or warrantless search in court .. .not in the street, because most of the time the citizen is going to lose that one and someone is going to the hospital .. if not the morgue.