TSA's Grip on Internal Travel is Tightening

[Yssup Rider]

the SKY IS FALLING! Without probable cause.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

They are not going to be limiting themselves to planes anymore. That is the point. They will be investigating at buses, trains and highways. Your car could be stopped and searched at random with no probable cause.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

no

youre one of a narrow minority that constantly whines about legislation that hasnt been passed yet and more than likely never will.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Your car could be stopped and searched at random with no probable cause.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

No. The United States Supreme Court has for decades.

At this point, after following the various links to links to links, it appears that TSA wants to do a "cost" analysis on the expense and fesibility of implementing a program that apparently focuses on TRUCKING ... (since they do trains and buses now) there was a Tennessee operation that was conducted by the State of Tennessee that is referenced in the materials and that operation focused on trucks and buses, which were brought into a normal inspection station. No private passenger vehicles.

Just as an aside, and a current topic, would a check point in the vicinty of the grade school in Connecticutt have saved the lives of 20 children and staff members?

Those folks didn't get much "probable cause" or "proof beyond a reaonable doubt?!

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by CJ7

if i get on a plane or not, Im for searching every sob that gets on any plane for everyones saftey ..

supposedly several people here would rather sacrifice 200 other peoples lives because they arent concerned for their own saftey ... fine, ride a bicycle at night down the middle of a highway without any lights and stay out of airports ...

We, therefore I, wasn't talking about air travel. I've already said there is sufficient evidence to show that advanced searches are warranted for air travel. You're trying to twist my words. So I'll say it again; I do not believe in random searches for the millions and millions of cars and people traveling by car, bus, train or on foot using "safety" and the War on Terror as a premise.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

We, therefore I, wasn't talking about air travel. I've already said there is sufficient evidence to show that advanced searches are warranted for air travel. You're trying to twist my words. So I'll say it again; I do not believe in random searches for the millions and millions of cars and people traveling by car, bus, train or on foot using "safety" and the War on Terror as a premise.

millions of cars arent on the agenda, specifically trucks and buses stop at specific points, no more no less ... and its merely a STUDY not proposed legislation as COF wants everyone to believe .. said study was buried in a file somewhere, not on the congressional table dedicated to removing your rights from you ..

read LLs comment above ...

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[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by CJ7

millions of cars arent on the agenda, specifically trucks and buses stop at specific points, no more no less ... and its merely a STUDY not proposed legislation as COF wants everyone to believe .. said study was buried in a file somewhere, not on the congressional table dedicated to removing your rights from you ..

read LLs comment above ...

The End

It was a discussion in general if the deteriorating Civil Rights. You seem to care about EVERYTHING yet NOTHING. I think you care simply for the immediate satisfaction you get after you think you insult someone.

No, I do not think a random road block would have caught the nut that killed all those kids. The thousands of random military roadblocks don't work in Mexico and there are a hell of a lot more drug dealers running the streets in Mexico. Why would it work on one lone gunman? What would have gone a long way in preventing the melee is laws against big box magazines and a requirement to keep weapons stowed in a safe.

[CJ7]

wow ...

[Guest050715-1]

That was my impression also. I'm fixing to go like your post since there was no blood-spatter rage in it.

Edit: Done

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

The thousands of random military roadblocks don't work in Mexico and there are a hell of a lot more drug dealers running the streets in Mexico. Why would it work on one lone gunman?

Have you been stopped at a lot of military roadblocks in Mexico?

You do realize, don't you, that there are places the Mexican Army will not go in Mexico?

The shooter in Connecticut would have been "stopped" prior to entering the campus/facility had a perimeter been established to stop approaching traffic onto or into the campus area. "We" do it all over the place and have long before 911 ... there are good reasons besides "crazy shooters" for doing so .... to protect the children and staff looking after the educational needs of the children.

Why is it that we need to establish "perimeters" around ... military bases and we don't need them for schools where relatively helpless, unarmed children must remain for hours and days on end?

[CJ7]

certain people with certain political ideas are against spending $ to further education... entitlement $ for a perimiter around a school thats not wanted in the first place?

ooook.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by CJ7

certain people with certain political ideas are against spending $ to further education... entitlement $ for a perimiter around a school thats not wanted in the first place?

ooook.

Maybe we could cut back on math and science in order to put up those perimeter towers...

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Have you been stopped at a lot of military roadblocks in Mexico?

Totally. All the time. They are looking for arms and drugs. IMHO, they are looking in the wrong place LOL. They are extremely polite and professional, but they are to a one carrying an automatic rifle, a pistol, wearing Kevlar and there's always at least one assault vehicle present. Mexico is in a civil war.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You do realize, don't you, that there are places the Mexican Army will not go in Mexico?

Can you blame them. Here's a tidbit. The Mexican army is so compromised they use their marines and navy. You know you're safe the fewer soldiers with berets there are, because the officers wear berets. The officers are the ones that are bought. The foot soldiers and non-coms are not.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

The shooter in Connecticut would have been "stopped" prior to entering the campus/facility had a perimeter been established to stop approaching traffic onto or into the campus area. "We" do it all over the place and have long before 911 ... there are good reasons besides "crazy shooters" for doing so .... to protect the children and staff looking after the educational needs of the children.

Why is it that we need to establish "perimeters" around ... military bases and we don't need them for schools where relatively helpless, unarmed children must remain for hours and days on end?

I thought you were talking about random road blocks. We could do what you suggest, but who's and how are we going to pay for it. There should have been at least one off duty officer or school district officer on campus IMO.

[CJ7]

just limit education to 6th grade

snark~

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

We could do what you suggest, but who's and how are we going to pay for it. There should have been at least one off duty officer or school district officer on campus IMO.

#1: If we want a cost-benefit analysis we have to factor in the value of those 27 souls and the pain, anguish, and suffering of their loved ones, plus the expense of relocation, cleaning, investigating, mental health treatment on the survivors, and the man-hours and materiel expended on responding, securing, investigating, and cleaning up after the mess.

More importantly we have to factor in the millions of school age children who are frightened to leave their parents and the safety of their home BEFORE Connecticut and now add their fears to the ones' who just got over it ... as to their security of being safe and feeling safe while they are supposed to be focusing on education. We now have teachers in the same plight .. tasked with teaching them and making them feel safe while needing to be safe themselves. Such "damages" are impossible to quantify and to assign a dollar value to them.

My focus is on the children .... how much is our future worth?

#2: Have you heard the saying:
"On ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?

#3: Minimum of 2 officers and one to "man" the monitoring system console with dispatch and communications capability in a safe room.

I will give you a politically charged example .. in 1996 VP Gore submitted a report to the President that recommended changes for airline safety .. the projected price tag was about $100 billion dollars (actually a bit less). The changes may have well prevented 911 by the simple "hardening" of the flight deck .... How much has 911 cost this country? How much on the "first day" .... money, time, lives, production, etc., etc. How much division and conflict. The list is almost endless and the price almost incalculable.

And keep in mind that Clinton-Gore emerged with a "surplus" in the bank!!!!

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by CJ7

just limit education to 6th grade

snark~

What does this even mean?

LL, I am very children-syntric. Ok so we put forth extream security matters at all schools. What about the malls, Luby's, universities, the movie theatres and everywhere else this type of thing has happened. What about Fort Hood. It's treating symptoms. The root cause is what needs to addressed, and I'm not sure what that is. Disenfranchisement is my best, first guess.