A post for Olivia H and Luxury Daphne, and anyone else who cared to ask

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Originally Posted by Zhivago52

. As I used to say in my old sig line, "if you're in it just for the sex, you're really missing out".

That can be said of marriage you know. You do understand that if you are in a happy marriage and just want some strange pussy...being in it for just the sex ain't a bad reason for being in it. You'd really be missing out on not a fucking thing. In fact a case could be made that if you are in it for anything other than sex you need to work on your personal life more and seeing hookers less.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

No Pet, I SAID women won’t pay for sex even if the guy is a thousand times hotter than they are. And men don’t fuck for money. They would if there was a market! They just don’t. Yea because nobody pays them....to many men will fuck for free! Shit this is easy.


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The reason why women don't normally pay for sex is because they can get it for free. That effects the supply side of Supply and Demand equation in a downward way. Exactly wtf I have been saying. Price is determined by supply and demand. That is why women escorts are paid more than male escorts. Less pussy is willing to fuck for free than dick. Pretty simple really.

Women being paid less in the market place has very little if anything to do with men hating women or wanting to keep them down and all to do with supply and demand ....just as it does in the male escort business. Women are not trying to keep male escorts down...it is just a product of supply and demand.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

You are over simplifying a very complex problem all because you are obsessed with me. .

I'm obsessed with hypocritical narcissistic liars who try and bullshit me on a hooker board. So if the shoe fits...

[SpiceItUp]

You are BOTH oversimplifying in an attempt to win the internets.

Olivia is quoting the most extreme example of 77 cents on the dollar for women's salaries which fails to control for WTF's argument regarding lack of supply of women in high paying careers. WTF is trying to assert that this lack of supply accounts for ALL of this discrepancy.

You're both right, and also wrong.

Last year women did earn 76.5 cent on the dollar compared to men
Wall Street Journal - Male-Female Pay Gap Hasn’t Moved Much in Years

SOME of that gap is most certainly due to the fact that women don't tend to enter higher paying fields as often, don't work as many hours, don't have college majors that result in higher paying jobs, etc..

However, an analysis of U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, 2008–09 Baccalaureate and Beyond Longitudinal Study data controlled for all of these factors and found that:

Graduating to a Pay Gap The Earnings of Women and Men
One Year after College Graduation

Regression analysis allows us to analyze the effect of multiple
factors on earnings at the same time. Controlling for occupation,
college major, hours worked per week, and many other factors all at
once, we found that college-educated women working full time were
paid an unexplained 7 percent less than their male peers were paid
one year out of college.

I hate to interrupt your love spat with real data but there it is...I'l let you get back to it.

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Originally Posted by DickEmDown

Thanks...and I was never "mad" at you

All right then .

Originally Posted by Zhivago52

Thank you for posting this. Having been a friend of the lovely Olivia H, she is one of but a few who "gets it" about this hobby. And I would also suppose that most men do not understand the value of having such companionship. As I used to say in my old sig line, "if you're in it just for the sex, you're really missing out".

Hello! How has life been treating you old friend? It’s true on both sides of the equation. If the ladies are just in it for the money, it shows, and not in a good way.

No Pet, I SAID women won’t pay for sex even if the guy is a thousand times hotter than they are. And men don’t fuck for money. They would if there was a market! They just don’t. Yea because nobody pays them....to many men will fuck for free! Shit this is easy.
No, most men, as in 80 – 90% wouldn’t fuck ugly – and I’m just using that word because it’s easy – for money. They just don’t. And it doesn’t matter anyway, because women aren’t going to pay to fuck a hottite. We just aren’t.

Originally Posted by WTF

he reason why women don't normally pay for sex is because they can get it for free.

Women can get A man to fuck them for free, but they can’t get hot guys, younger guys or both to fuck them for free just the same as men your age can’t get young hot women to fuck them for free. Think quality ass vs any old ass.

I’m not going to beleaguer the same point over and over. You can have the last word and pretend you won the debate. But we’ll have more fun. The next thread I pop into you’ll be there because you’re obsessed. Honestly, after all this time it doesn’t do anything for my ego to have my own personal stalker.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

You are BOTH oversimplifying in an attempt to win the internets.

No, I’ve said the reason for male to female pay deficiency ratio is very complicated. In fact this is what I said:

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I've actually never said this. I do not think that men in any way shape or form go out to pay women less. I think SOME men go out of their way not to promote them, but as a rule that is becoming less and less prominent.

It's a many pronged problem, but three of the main ones are: It's cultural to pay women less; and women, especially women with children, statistically are more likely to be in poverty and therefore more likely to take the pay or not report the abuses; and until recently, women were less educated. But you can in your simple way boil it down to supply and demand, but even you know that's not the way of it.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Olivia is quoting the most extreme example of 77 cents on the dollar for women's salaries which fails to control for WTF's argument regarding lack of supply of women in high paying careers. WTF is trying to assert that this lack of supply accounts for ALL of this discrepancy.

You're both right, and also wrong.

Last year women did earn 76.5 cent on the dollar compared to men
Wall Street Journal - Male-Female Pay Gap Hasn’t Moved Much in Years

SOME of that gap is most certainly due to the fact that women don't tend to enter higher paying fields as often, don't work as many hours, don't have college majors that result in higher paying jobs, etc..

However, an analysis of U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, 2008–09 Baccalaureate and Beyond Longitudinal Study data controlled for all of these factors and found that:



I hate to interrupt your love spat with real data but there it is...I'l let you get back to it.

I gave my Pet the last word. He’ll chew on that bone until I post in another thread so we all have THAT to look forward to.

I agree NaN, my Pet does frequently have his nutsack flapping in the wind.

[CerebralcunnilingusFan]

[QUOTE=OliviaHoward;1054877517]

All right then .



Hello! How has life been treating you old friend? It’s true on both sides of the equation. If the ladies are just in it for the money, it shows, and not in a good way.

No Pet, I SAID women won’t pay for sex even if the guy is a thousand times hotter than they are. And men don’t fuck for money. They would if there was a market! They just don’t. Yea because nobody pays them....to many men will fuck for free! Shit this is easy.
No, most men, as in 80 – 90% wouldn’t fuck ugly – and I’m just using that word because it’s easy – for money. They just don’t. And it doesn’t matter anyway, because women aren’t going to pay to fuck a hottite. We just aren’t.



Women can get A man to fuck them for free, but they can’t get hot guys, younger guys or both to fuck them for free just the same as men your age can’t get young hot women to fuck them for free. Think quality ass vs any old ass.

I’m not going to beleaguer the same point over and over. You can have the last word and pretend you won the debate. But we’ll have more fun. The next thread I pop into you’ll be there because you’re obsessed. Honestly, after all this time it doesn’t do anything for my ego to have my own personal stalker.



No, I’ve said the reason for male to female pay deficiency ratio is very complicated. In fact this is what I said:






I gave my Pet the last word. He’ll chew on that bone until I post in another thread so we all have THAT to look forward to.

I agree NaN, my Pet does frequently have his nutsack flapping in the wind.[/QUO
Dear Ms. Howard,
Would you say that when you where active that most of the men came to see you because after your libidnal activities that you had similiar intellectual,political and social interest and you where able to connect with them on several different levels?

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Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

You are BOTH oversimplifying in an attempt to win the internets.

Olivia is quoting the most extreme example of 77 cents on the dollar for women's salaries which fails to control for WTF's argument regarding lack of supply of women in high paying careers. WTF is trying to assert that this lack of supply accounts for ALL of this discrepancy.

You're both right, and also wrong.

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Here is what transpired:

Olivia implied that women were paid less than men because men were trying to keep them down.

I simply stated that the pay gap was due to market conditions of supply and demand and had very little to due with men trying to keep women down.


What your linked proved was the discrimination gap is at worst 7%. Further ferreting shows that men are more likely to negotiate their salary...which would bring that 7% number down ever further.

There are two discussion going on here. One is my simple fact that wages are set by supply and demand. The other is why there is a disparity? While the reason for the disparity gap may be a bit more complicated, we have whittled it down to less than 7%. That is pretty simple to me , others may find that complicated.

What we have found is that the 77% due to gender discrimination is bullshit, much like I simply stated.

Another point I made was that feminist want to believe they want gender equality but when shown that there are fields where men make less....they could care less, such as in male escorting.





http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/03/Gr...mendations.pdf

Negotiating a salary can make a difference in earnings, and men are more likely than women to negotiate their salaries.

we found that college-educated women working full time were
paid an unexplained 7 percent less than their male peers were paid
one year out of college.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

I agree NaN, my Pet does frequently have his nutsack flapping in the wind.

That nutsack wasn't flapping in the wind, it was bunched up tighter than a drum!

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This is exactly why male escorts make less..


http://freakonomics.com/books/superf...pts/chapter-1/

Who poses the greatest competition to a prostitute? Simple: any woman who is willing to have sex with a man for free.

It is no secret that sexual mores have evolved substantially in recent decades. The phrase “casual sex” didn’t exist a century ago (to say nothing of “friends with benefits”). Sex outside of marriage was much harder to come by and carried significantly higher penalties than it does today.
Imagine a young man, just out of college but not ready to settle down, who wants to have some sex. In decades past, prostitution was a likely option. Although illegal, it was never hard to find, and the risk of arrest was minuscule. While relatively expensive in the short term, it provided good long-term value because it didn’t carry the potential costs of an unwanted pregnancy or a marriage commitment. At least20 percent of American men born between 1933 and 1942 had their first sexual intercourse with a prostitute.
Now imagine that same young man twenty years later. The shift in sexual mores has given him a much greater supply of unpaid sex. In his generation, only 5 percent of men lose their virginity to a prostitute. And it’s not that he and his friends are saving themselves for marriage. More than 70 percent of the men in his generation have sex before they marry, compared with just 33 percent in the earlier generation.
So premarital sex emerged as a viable substitute for prostitution. And as the demand for paid sex decreased, so too did the wage of the people who provide it.

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Originally Posted by CerebralcunnilingusFan

Dear Ms. Howard,
Would you say that when you where active that most of the men came to see you because after your libidnal activities that you had similiar intellectual,political and social interest and you where able to connect with them on several different levels?

Dear Cerebral,

I think it varies from client to client though I don’t think the gentlemen that saw me were representative of the demimonde in general. That being statistically, the number one reason men hobby is for immediate sexual satisfaction – I think most men seek younger women for that. I had some clients like that, but the over whelming majority of my clients were clients that were looking for companionship with someone they had a commonality with. That’s not to say they didn’t seek variety (Which is another of the top four reasons men hobby.). A good deal of my clients saw a small circle of women that had a lot of the same qualities as I did.

The second largest category of clientele were fetish clients. Another of the top four reasons men hobby is the inability or willingness get or seek fetish specific sex from their wives or women in their social circles. (I would add specific race to this category though with me it wasn’t a draw particularly.) I wasn’t necessarily a Domme or a sub, but I did enjoy both types of play as long as they weren’t extreme.

Something that I’ve not seen any statistical information on, but have had plenty of antidotal evidence to support is that men want to be wanted sexually desired as much as women. And men also want to please their partner. I think a significant sub-set of men that hobby aren’t getting the sexual energy from their primary sexual partner. Many of my clients sought me or women like me that really and truly provided a bubble of intimacy because they want to be there in that moment. That type of experience, in my opinion, comes from a more mature woman. Life with the kids and the bills and the years take their toll on any marriage and the sexual desire fades. That’s why people, both men and women, seek someone or something new.

Just my thoughts and experiences.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by WTF

Here is what transpired:

Olivia implied that women were paid less than men because men were trying to keep them down.

That is incorrect. That is what you wanted to hear. And this is where I stopped reading. The rest is going to be more of your vehement retort to something I never said or implied. Next.

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Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Dear Cerebral,

I think it varies from client to client though I don’t think the gentlemen that saw me were representative of the demimonde in general. That being statistically, the number one reason men hobby is for immediate sexual satisfaction – I think most men seek younger women for that. I had some clients like that, but the over whelming majority of my clients were clients that were looking for companionship with someone they had a commonality with. That’s not to say they didn’t seek variety (Which is another of the top four reasons men hobby.). A good deal of my clients saw a small circle of women that had a lot of the same qualities as I did.

The second largest category of clientele were fetish clients. Another of the top four reasons men hobby is the inability or willingness get or seek fetish specific sex from their wives or women in their social circles. (I would add specific race to this category though with me it wasn’t a draw particularly.) I wasn’t necessarily a Domme or a sub, but I did enjoy both types of play as long as they weren’t extreme.

Something that I’ve not seen any statistical information on, but have had plenty of antidotal evidence to support is that men want to be wanted sexually desired as much as women. And men also want to please their partner. I think a significant sub-set of men that hobby aren’t getting the sexual energy from their primary sexual partner. Many of my clients sought me or women like me that really and truly provided a bubble of intimacy because they want to be there in that moment. That type of experience, in my opinion, comes from a more mature woman. Life with the kids and the bills and the years take their toll on any marriage and the sexual desire fades. That’s why people, both men and women, seek someone or something new.

Just my thoughts and experiences.

When I read something like this that you wrote, I wonder why we ever disagree about anything. I really like this.

On another note, am I the only one that gets inexplicably wet when OLivia calls WTF, "Pet." I'm sorry WTF, but for some odd reason it turns me on...

On the debate at hand, SpicyPants provides the best insight. There are so many factors that result in the salary discrepancy.

In the area of law, female lawyers come out of school and enter the field making the same amount as their male counterparts. But over time, many women follow what we call the "Mommy Track" instead of the Partner Track. They CHOOSE to work fewer billable hours in order to have a family. So overall, when you average salaries, women make less, but it's for a good and legitimate reason.

Sometimes the discrepancy IS because of institutionalized discrimination. Sometimes it is Supply and Demand. Sometimes it's due differences between the physical capabilities of the sexes.

It's just too complex to pigeonhole into even a handful of reasons.

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Originally Posted by WTF

Here is what transpired:
Olivia implied that women were paid less than men because men were trying to keep them down.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

That is incorrect. That is what you wanted to hear. And this is where I stopped reading. The rest is going to be more of your vehement retort to something I never said or implied. Next.

Incorrect? Then wtf is this 70 cents on the dollar bullshit? That is exactly wtf you implied.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Especially if said misogynist and / or moralist are part of the social fabric that still pays women seventy cents on the dollar that men make. .

Are you going to lie and say you did not post this very thing in this very thread. It is said that liars can not remember their lies and that is why it is so easy to cross them up. You seem to be proving that axiom in spades in this thread.

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Originally Posted by LilMynx69

When I read something like this that you wrote, I wonder why we ever disagree about anything. I really like this.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

On another note, am I the only one that gets inexplicably wet when OLivia calls WTF, "Pet." I'm sorry WTF, but for some odd reason it turns me on...

He luvs it or he wouldn’t come back for more LOL.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

On the debate at hand, SpicyPants provides the best insight. There are so many factors that result in the salary discrepancy.

In the area of law, female lawyers come out of school and enter the field making the same amount as their male counterparts. But over time, many women follow what we call the "Mommy Track" instead of the Partner Track. There CHOSE to work fewer billable hours in order to have a family. So overall, when you average salaries, women make less, but it's for a good and legitimate reason.

These women are educated. That’s why they are paid competitively out of school. Like I said, education affects pay, and up until quite recently, men women were demonstratively under educated. The Mommy Track as you call it is of the woman’s own making. If that’s what she chooses it’s her burden to bear, but it does indeed muddy the statistics. That’s why there’s the old saying truth, lies and statistics. However, it is statistically shown that women in child bearing years are discriminated against in hiring practices. I would make an educated guess that this practice of discriminating is most active in the working classes and pink collar jobs; though I have no evidence of that.

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

Sometimes the discrepancy IS because of institutionalized discrimination. Sometimes it is Supply and Demand. Sometimes it's due differences between the physical capabilities of the sexes.

It's just too complex to pigeonhole into even a handful of reasons.

And that’s exactly what I was trying to say. But our resident woman hating liberal just does insist on blaming the victim. I mean come on! If the dumb bitch wouldn’t be willing to work for low wages being she’s statistically likely to be economically challenged in the first place, then she’d be a smart, dumb bitch and be unemployed. Or some such shit like that.

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Originally Posted by WTF

Incorrect? Then wtf is this 70 cents on the dollar bullshit? That is exactly wtf you implied.

NO YOU IDIOT! What I said is women are paid seventy cents on the dollar. That's true. I never said it was because men held women down. I said it's a complex social construct. Jezus H Fucking Christ. Read! God Damn!

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