20 Dead in Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande Concert

[themystic]

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

I'm with you. It might not reach the scale of Islamic terrorism, but all that really says (to me, anyway), is that radical Muslims are more dedicated and skilled. But Planned Parenthood in 2015, The Centennial Olympic Park bombing (this guy also carried out other attacks on a lesbian nightclub and an abortion clinic), Phineas Priests and the Army of God...crazy. Christians think they're better because their crazies don't cray like Muslims' do. But the common denominator in all of the above is the belief in a god.

Dont the GOP Trump people know that the founders of out country were Deist and Animists. Read the declaration of independence 1st Sentence

[rexdutchman]

It is about Islam , just think Holy war , other religions have had the reformation oh like 1000 years ago.
Yes Themystic is correct IN the past other religions and king and countries have been violent, however again this small POINT in the past the Libertarts don't understand this very important point.
Got to go guys have a good weekend :-)

[grean]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

It is about Islam , just think Holy war , other religions have had the reformation oh like 1000 years ago.
Yes Themystic is correct IN the past other religions and king and countries have been violent, however again this small POINT in the past the Libertarts don't understand this very important point.
Got to go guys have a good weekend :-)

Hey rex, I'm not certain what you mean there. Not trying to be coy. I understand the first sentence but you lost me on the 2nd.

[rexdutchman]

Basic answer is when ever this point is brought up the media and Libertarts point back to Christians and crusades ( ObooBoo even stated this in a speech) + US involvement in other countries and wars like Nam, and what's going on now in the middle east
AS an reason Islam is so violent
See the news today 28 Christians ( holy war)

[Vivienne Rey]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Basic answer is when ever this point is brought up the media and Libertarts point back to Christians and crusades ( ObooBoo even stated this in a speech) + US involvement in other countries and wars like Nam, and what's going on now in the middle east
AS an reason Islam is so violent
See the news today 28 Christians ( holy war)

Meh, we all look for patterns and similarities to help make sense of things.

I think it's important to consider the person doing the demonizing and determine their actual intent. But, as an epistemologically humble person, I can't wrap my head around all the other-ing. Maybe it's because I see all religion as dangerous. And I can't ignore that modern day Christians can be quite a shitty lot. I wouldn't have to pull out the Crusades.

What's the beef, really? That radicalized Muslims are MORE violent? They they are MORE savage? It appears they are. "We don't cut people's heads off in the name of our god!" But you do blow up abortion clinics, for example. Not recording it as it's happening for the world to see may make you less savage. To those who's heads didn't fly across the parking lot during the explosion.

And I know our beloved patriots would crap a watermelon if they came over here like we did there. 9/11 had a lot of people wanting to turn the middle east into a glass parking lot. I don't know that our being there is why they're so violent. But I know our being there made them really angry.

Anyone see The Wall? It touches on that.

[TexTushHog]

Just shows that you're swallowed the right wing's fear agenda hook, line, and sinker.

Right wing domestic terrorist kill more than Jihadist. And bees, drowning in bathtubs, etc. cause far more deaths than terrorists of both stripes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/you-re-more-likely-die-choking-be-killed-foreign-terrorists-n715141

[Vivienne Rey]

And toddlers with guns. Those lil' terrorists.

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Just shows that you're swallowed the right wing's fear agenda hook, line, and sinker.

Right wing domestic terrorist kill more than Jihadist. And bees, drowning in bathtubs, etc. cause far more deaths than terrorists of both stripes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/you-re-more-likely-die-choking-be-killed-foreign-terrorists-n715141

[rexdutchman]

Read "The Spike" , Koran, It is about Islam would be a good start /
Looks like you believe the Libertart media , we are not irredeemable you just need the truth,
Its always better the address the smaller issues first , just look at English, French see that they waited to long
Also we are not comparing car accident etc, to terrorism ( a media scam)
" You cant handle the truth " - (sorry)

[Chung Tran]

the problem with those on the left that cite statistics, is that their argument always comes around to "it's not that much of a problem, let's not do anything".. you ask them "what would you do to reduce Terrorism", they never respond.. except with those irrelevant statistics.

[themystic]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

the problem with those on the left that cite statistics, is that their argument always comes around to "it's not that much of a problem, let's not do anything".. you ask them "what would you do to reduce Terrorism", they never respond.. except with those irrelevant statistics.

In fairness chung. What is the answer on the right. Start a war and put boots on the ground?

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by themystic

In fairness chung. What is the answer on the right. Start a war and put boots on the ground?

perhaps, or something close to that.. but at least the Right looks like it's trying do something, even if it is easy to criticize.. the Left looks like it doesn't give a damn.

[goodolboy]

Originally Posted by themystic

In fairness chung. What is the answer on the right. Start a war and put boots on the ground?

Based on Europe's example it appears being careful who you let visit/ live in your country, and observing their travel habits would be a good start. Unfortunately we will have to wait for a Supreme court decision to see if we have a right as a country to decide who comes in and what kind of scrutiny they receive.

Doing something about the millions of people in America illegally and deporting them based on our current laws may be wise also. "Nearly half a million foreigners who legally entered the U.S. remained here after their visas expired last year, according to a government study that is the first of its kind."

[grean]

Originally Posted by themystic

In fairness chung. What is the answer on the right. Start a war and put boots on the ground?

Yes! Hunt them down, and murder the cocksuckers. Why is this so hard to understand?

Ask any marine whether they would prefer to mop their barracks or go kill something....

It's kinda their thing.

[rexdutchman]

Don't trust the Libertart media, is a good start. When Flam flum's around the world are keeling people left and right the media calls it anything but Islamic terrorism.( re-classify to something else ) News today nut job white guy in Portland goes after Muslim's and it white supremacist ( without hard evidence )
This is why people go all stupid when we need to lock down border , boots on the ground I have no easy answer but understanding the threat is a start. CHUNG is right (not much of a problem , let not offend anyone )

[grean]

Originally Posted by goodolboy

"Nearly half a million foreigners who legally entered the U.S. remained here after their visas expired last year, according to a government study that is the first of its kind." [/I]

We shouldn't deport violent criminals. We should just shoot them.

As far as the rest, live and live. Watch "a day without a Mexican ".

Their income contributes a lot to our economy even though it isn't taxed always. With the money spent on the wall and other really unnecessary deportation costs, the government could easily come up with a way to register and tax illegals. As long as they don't cause a problem, who cares?