MOAB kill total -- 36 ISIS fighters

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Seriously? Do you really need to have this explained to you? The bomb is ideally suited for use in a remote and mountainous part of Afghanistan where ISIS leaders are hiding in tunnels and caves. Do you really have to ask why a bomb with a mile-wide blast impact isn't the right weapon to drop on populated areas in Iraq and Syria?

You are correct, but for some on here, even if they did ask, and did hear the answer, they wouldn't be able to comprehend the answer or care. Just read some of the other replies in this thread.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by WTF

So how much money and how many American soldiers are you wanting to risk on Nation Building so your chickenshit ass can 'feel' better when you suck your thumb at night!


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And YOU suck Mexican laborers dicks and asses AT NIGHT !

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Old-T

You are correct, but for some on here, even if they did ask, and did hear the answer, they wouldn't be able to comprehend the answer or care. Just read some of the other replies in this thread.

LIKE THIS ONE...

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

And YOU suck Mexican laborers dicks and asses AT NIGHT !

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Odd, it seems that the democrats are doing the most calling for war or accusing some other country of committing acts of war against the US. If I didn't know better, I'd think the democrats were the war mongers. Also, the democrats care about people in their mother's belly. They want them DEAD.

Another telling post.

Apparently, someone put pineapple juice in JDrunk's "pineapple juice."

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by plove35

We as americans will never get it...we believe our might and strength will win the war on terror...this is not a war of muscle and military might....this is an intelluctual war... We have to use brain power not bombs

Originally Posted by Marshall2.0

These fuckers have been pissed off since Mohammed... Might and strength do win dumbass....

What a pointless argument! We need to use BOTH military and information methods to counter the cockroaches. ISIS cannot recruit effectively if they are losing on the battlefield AND their social media platforms are constantly disrupted. It's not an either/or choice. It's both.

What an "intelluctual" you are, plove!

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

LIKE THIS ONE...

Keep WKing for the reach-around crew ! They're sure to vote for YOU in the next DOTY poll !

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The author of that quote is the one who is clueless. "MOABs" have been designed, analyzed, and tested for a long time. A lot longer than most people realize. When used they make great photo-opp coverage, but don't really do much to "destroy" a tunnel complex. Some bunkers, yes. Tunnels/caves, not really. Rubbleize the entrance and destroy several meters into the complex, sure--but "destroy"? No.

Isn't there a bunker-busting version of MOAB? One that bores deep into the ground before exploding? Wouldn't that have been more effective in destroying the entire complex? Also, if we effectively entomb the cockroaches does it really matter if we don't collapse every single tunnel?

It is common knowledge that the Israelis have been asking us to supply them with our latest bunker buster munitions for years. The obama administration refused out of fear they would use them against places like Fordow in Iran.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Old-T

You are correct, but for some on here, even if they did ask, and did hear the answer, they wouldn't be able to comprehend the answer or care. Just read some of the other replies in this thread.

OT, just when do you think this war will be "won".

Who cares if we can bomb a cave and kill 36 ISIS? In context of the last 2000 years, what difference does it make?

Why would anyone want to spend money and lives in this region other than oil?

Russia is finding out how it stirs up homegrown terrorist in their own country by their recent interventions.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Isn't there a bunker-busting version of MOAB? One that bores deep into the ground before exploding? Wouldn't that have been more effective in destroying the entire complex? Also, if we effectively entomb the cockroaches does it really matter if we don't collapse every single tunnel?

Yes, there are penetrating versions. And they do indeed work reasonably well against bunkers but not caves/tunnels.

The two big differentiating issues between bunkers vice C&Ts that need to be overcome with C&Ts is size of the mission space, and the depth/knowledge of the depth.

Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

If I try to penetrate rock to get to the mission space, I need to know where--in three dimensions--the mission space is. That requires a level of intel that may well not be available for the targets you really care about. You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. And if you penetrate into the rock in the wrong place, it is essentially a wasted munition. Add to that, you have serious difficulty assessing what dammage the bomb actually did.

As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by WTF

OT, just when do you think this war will be "won".

Who cares if we can bomb a cave and kill 36 ISIS? In context of the last 2000 years, what difference does it make?

Why would anyone want to spend money and lives in this region other than oil?

Russia is finding out how it stirs up homegrown terrorist in their own country by their recent interventions.

I don't know when it will end. But when we stop comprehending that collateral civilian damage is a great terrorist recruiting tool, that doesn't hasten the end. The kill-'em-all war mongers here show they have no clue--post after post.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The kill-'em-all war mongers here show they have no clue--post after post.

Were any posting "post after post"?

Or are you just getting hysterical again?

Your description of "the bomb" omits some elements of its value.

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"Caves and tunnels can be very large proportional to the lethal radius of the munition, even very big (conventional) munitions. And things like turns, doors, etc., can quickly reduce the effect even more.

".... You can't watch tunneling underground easily, and with current equipment they can make serious turns, rises, drops, and splits once they are out of sight of your sensors. ....

"As to entrapping them--many of these complexes have multiple exits, many of which are not used except as emergency exits. Some also can stub out exits, and only finish them from the inside when needed. So if you don't kill them, you might not entomb them as long as you thing."

Your "assumption" is that the "value" is "concussion"! It's just the opposite. The "thermobaric" function that is most devastating is the vacuum created when the air in the tunnels and caves are sucked out by the ignition of the fuel cloud at a level that destroys internal organs even if it does not obliterate their torsos within the fuel cloud when it ignites. As a munitions expert from the 60's you should know that already. You know, all that "intel" on "mission space" in comparison to the "lethal radius of the munition" you know so much about?

It is the weapon of choice to effectively destroy tunneling and caves not to mention those "hiding" within them, because those spaces (you call them "mission space") are confined and defined by the walls, floors, and ceilings carved out of the rock and solid debris.

Perhaps that is why the death assessment has increased 3 fold after some "exploration" ... instead of 360 toes it sounds like they may have found closer to a 1,000 of them.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Were any posting "post after post"?

Or are you just getting hysterical again?

Your description of "the bomb" omits some elements of its value.

And your ignorance of bombing breeding terrorist is alarming, albeit not surprising considering the orgin.


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[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

And your ignorance of bombing breeding terrorist is alarming, albeit not surprising considering the orgin.

It's a good thing for the civilized World that you weren't calling the shots toward the end of WWII, particularly in the Pacific theater.

You know any "terrorists" bred from a "bomb"? I figured you didn't!

Gruber is laughing at you!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Marshall2.0

You only think this is an intellectual fight because you are uneducated like them....and the illegals that sneak in here

alot of the uneducated are educated. problem is they are taught & believe in the wrong things.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

...alot of the uneducated are educated.

You're beginning to sound like a liberal .....

... as in global warming is making it colder!

WTF is singing the "bombs-cause-terrorists" this Easter!!!!

WTF believes:

The more we "bomb" off their peckers ... the more they fuck!