Rates have gone crazy while I was away!

[Fort Worth Punk]

Originally Posted by OldButStillGoing

No problem with the OP. He has been gone for awhile so the rise in prices is very noticeable and he has not been privy to all the whining about it. To him, yea, takes some adjusting.

I don't know how long he's been gone, but I know this:

1) Wages have been stagnant for some time.
2) Inflation is extremely low.
3) The rental rate increase is very new, and is not at a percentage that would explain the increase in average rates on ECCIE.

I'm not complaining about rates, but just saying that, like it or not, rates on ECCIE are not up for economic reasons because the economic stats simply don't support it. The typical rate for an hour was $250, and now it's $300. That's a 20% jump. Nobody is going to find a macro-economic reason for that.

What you will find is that as ladies started charging it, guys started paying it, so more ladies charged it. The market price is the price people are willing to pay. And in this tiny market segment, the guys who remain are by and large willing to pay it. The ones who aren't either left, stick to those who don't charge $300, have made arrangements with ladies or are grandfathered in and sticking with regulars.

Ultimately, the rate is what it is because the guys are paying it, so, while I have seen here, and on other sites, cases where ladies coerced others in to raising rates, what seems to be the case here is that the guys chose to swallow the price increase, which was likely a welcome change of pace for the ladies. And if people don't like the going rates, the only people they have to blame are the other guys. If there weren't buyers at $300 the price would drop or the sellers would go to another market where they could get their price.

My only complaint, as raised earlier, is that girls with no track record are charging, and you guys seem dumb enough to pay, not only the top going rate, but in many cases even more, usually for what is listed as less than the standard level of service. And it seems as if many of these girls are being ushered to the site by members who "discover" them, which leads me to believe that perhaps the initial reviews for some girls are less than objective, with a few clearly questionable. And while that's not new, when the guys bring them on at top dollar I have to wonder exactly what the nature of the relationship is.

Of course, what do I know...

[Randall Creed]

Good post, FWP.

One thing I wonder sometimes is, are guys actually paying posted rates. I mean, there are guys who review ladies several times a month, and not the ones in the shallow end of the rate pool. Sure, it's easy to post that you saw so and so at $400 an hour, for 2 hours, but did you PAY the actual rate that you posted? We had a situation a few years ago where a particular hobbyist was reviewing ladies like crazy, blowing through cash like he won the lottery. The whole thing turned out to be a big sham. He wasn't paying them, not sure he was even seeing them or not, but the premise of the thing was to have the girls look busy at their new skyscraper rates, and bait guys into seeing them due to the juicy reviews he was writing.

We all make our own money, and some of us have ridiculous amounts of disposable income. I get all that. But if you're part of some elaborate price hiking scheme, that's....just bullshit. Many of us make our money the old-fashioned way, and that would be chump change per hour, two weeks at a time.

No one should have to apologize for wanting to be cautious of how they spend their money. For some of us, the shit just doesn't grow on trees. The same ones calling some of us CHEAP, won't pay a dime over a particular price for a certain item that others would pay double for. There's a difference between being cheap and foolish.

[Fort Worth Punk]

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

No one should have to apologize for wanting to be cautious of how they spend their money. For some of us, the shit just doesn't grow on trees. The same ones calling some of us CHEAP, won't pay a dime over a particular price for a certain item that others would pay double for. There's a difference between being cheap and foolish.

This is the key.

I find it interesting that what we are basically talking about here, and some are hurling insults about about I might add, is that a guy used to paying $200-250 is seeing ladies, and I will be blunt and say some ladies who would have been at the low end of that scale at the best in certain cases, charging $300 or more, and then wanting $50 more for outcall. He didn't even mention that a la carte pricing went from more for greek, to more for PSE (whatever that is), to more for GFE to now I see lists with menus that rival McDonalds. More for a second pop in an hour? More for DFK? More for the kind of clothing requests that $300 girls used to wear just to show up?

The fact is, there is a change, and saying "Go back to Backpage" ignores all that and is nothing but a dick statement. Just brushing aside things that, back when I was active, would have gotten a girl openly ridiculed, and rightly so, ignores all that. And most importantly, it ignores the fact the site has only one purpose for the honest guys: sharing information. When you try to shout people down either your an asshole, a white knight (usually about the same thing) or you have an agenda..

And the reality is we can look at the ladies kind enough to respond to this thread and one thing sticks out. They have good reputations, have good histories, and conduct themselves according to the standards that those of us who have been around for, in my case, 14 years between the boards, came to believe was the right way to conduct business. It's how they have been able to stay active and respected while others may still be active, or may be new and respected, but very few manage to do both in this business.

If guys are OK with ECCIE becoming Backpage West, more so than it already has, and getting to sort through the upsellers, the YMMV providers and, eventually, the scammers, keep on the path some of you are hell bent to stay on. Whatever it is you are getting, or think you are getting, your your benefits will evaporate eventually because despite what you may think, unless you're a pimp you're the one getting played, not the one getting the good end of the deal.

That kind of behavior will just mean the rest of us will go somewhere else. Not because we're cheap. A lot of us can afford exactly what we want on ECCIE. We'll do it because we can't get what we want from the site, which is information, and a fair deal, without having to dig for it. It's why before my time off I did almost all my actual research on P411, and now that I'm back everything that I didn't like about ECCIE is not only still here, it's amplified and now there are a lot of you actually ballsy enough to defend it.

[Nurseguy76]

Why is there the premise that providing/mongering follows free market principles of supply and demand? That's been a steaming crock of sh*t since its inception or defense for inflation. Buying pu@@y is not like buying widgets. The DFW area is a top 5 hobbying destination stateside yet with the massive numbers of providers the prices are going up? Newbies with less than double digit reviews are asking for $$$+ limited GFE and getting it from desperate poon hounds. Have the number of hobbyists increased? If you account for all verified/non verified providers on sites like this and others there are literally 1000s of providers in this area. Hobbyists set the prices not the providers. They are now dictating the market as I see it. Although I don't use them, there is a reason why the back page and AMP girls have a viable market. They provide balance and allows hobbyist of all budgets to indulge. Before we make this a don't get mad if you can't afford to hobby thread keep in mind that many of us have high levels of discernment when it comes to service and quality and will not pay Maserati prices for Kia looks and service.

[Copierguy0]

That's why I told you, touch nothing! But you're bunch of cowboys! ‪#‎armageddon‬

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIh78GiTqrE

CG

[LovingKayla]

Originally Posted by bojulay

I would speculate that it may be because a lot of guys try
and get a full hrs activity out of a 1/2 hr session.

Ding Ding Ding Ding Gutter, tell him what he's won!!!!!!!!!

[oldbutstillgoing]

Nurseguy, you clearly have no understanding of free market dynamics. Guys do not control rates. Providers do not control rates. Otherwise, rates would not be what they currently are. Absent some market controlling body, such as a union or government body, a free market is influenced by supply and demand. Does not matter what the product is. There are other factors that may influence the impact of supply and demand, but ultimately supply and demand dictates rates. a few people may have a short term impact on a market, but only a large group of people working in concert can have a long-term impact. There is no such working in concert happening.

there are factors that influence an individual's participation in the rate structure of the hobby but that has no large impact overall.

there may be market leaders such as a provider who raises her rate and others raise their rates accordingly but there can also be downward leaders such as a provider dropping their rates and others follow or lose business. same thing with client. If a number are willing to pay a higher rate that influences the rates providers charge. But if enough clients fail to follow suit many providers will drop their prices if they go up beyond what the market will bare.

keep in mind there are different market segments as well. Not all providers want to service $200 clients. Others are happy doing so. A standard supply demand bell curve apply even on the hobby. just as from the client side not all clients want to see a $200 provider. some will only deal with higher price for what they feel is a valid reason.

the supply side of the market is currently testing to see if higher prices can be supported. If they are correct, prices will continue to be high and go higher. If they are wrong, prices will fall. or supply will shrink. This is no different than any other market.

the one big difference with this market is the personal nature of the product. At an individual level, this can greatly impact the cost of services provided by that individual but has little to no impact in the overall market

[nicholas linnear]

Originally Posted by Nina_Love

I have Negotiable/budget friendly rates. Do some research! There are WONDERFUL women here that's not too pricey

Nina I just want to do a copy of that video with you!

[Gnostalgia]

You are NOt THE ONLY ONE

[Fort Worth Punk]

Originally Posted by Nurseguy76

Why is there the premise that providing/mongering follows free market principles of supply and demand? That's been a steaming crock of sh*t since its inception or defense for inflation. Buying pu@@y is not like buying widgets. The DFW area is a top 5 hobbying destination stateside yet with the massive numbers of providers the prices are going up? Newbies with less than double digit reviews are asking for $$$+ limited GFE and getting it from desperate poon hounds. Have the number of hobbyists increased? If you account for all verified/non verified providers on sites like this and others there are literally 1000s of providers in this area. Hobbyists set the prices not the providers. They are now dictating the market as I see it. Although I don't use them, there is a reason why the back page and AMP girls have a viable market. They provide balance and allows hobbyist of all budgets to indulge. Before we make this a don't get mad if you can't afford to hobby thread keep in mind that many of us have high levels of discernment when it comes to service and quality and will not pay Maserati prices for Kia looks and service.

There are no commercial transactions that do not ultimately follow the laws of supply and demand. Because people want to see this as personal, see the service as something other than a commodity being sold and want to believe that their relationship with the ladies is different than what it is, they trick themselves in to believing it is somehow immune from basic economic principles. It's not. The fact is, people have those same emotions about any number of commercial transactions, and they still follow the same rules.

There have been countless papers written and articles published about the economic nature of this market and none have ever determined that it's any different. As with most markets you have individual transactions where someone is treated differently for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't make it unique.

Even illegal activities and products follow the laws of economics. They just have differing environment. Frankly the current pricing could be explained by game theory in that the best solution is the one which benefits the most providers. Now, not all are participating, clearly, but enough are to see that it is possible that by taking an action that would, on the face, be risky, and cut volume, they have been able to increase overall revenue because the group action reduced the drop in volume to a level less than had there been only isolated cases of higher rates. The resulting total revenue may be higher, meaning the rate rise stays.

[Muscleup]

Wait until holiday season. They will come down.