Coronavirus may have infected 10 times more Americans than reported, CDC says

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

+1

Excellent post Tiny. We definitely need a vaccine that works.

Don't count on it.

[Tsmokies]

I'm more concerned about Canada these days...if that still allow stupid American illegals with a passport. Who knows how long it will take Biden to bring class n dignity again to the us

[oeb11]

PM trudeau closed the US canada border some months ago.

Not open yet, to my knowledge
IMHO.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

I'm more concerned about Canada these days...if that still allow stupid American illegals with a passport. Who knows how long it will take Biden to bring class n dignity again to the us

Never.



BAHAAAA

[Muy Largo]

So, Waco, because an "expert" makes an error we disregard everything experts say? I don't pretend to understand all the issues related to this pandemic. Our president actually said it would fade by April. Then he declared it a hoax. Then he said there was a miracle drug, and he was taking it. I realize the president is not an expert in matters of infectious diseases. But he has presented himself as one, even stating that he understands medical information to a great degree, and that this level of understanding runs in his family. No one is immune from making errors regarding this complicated pandemic. I actually cannot recall anyone I'd call an expert advising that masks weren't useful, but I trust that you have documentation for this. Obviously, the current thinking among experts is that masks and social distancing are critical. It is how I have behaved from the start - wearing a mask in public, and maintaining appropriate distance. Do I like doing this. Hell no. But I listened to the people I know who are experts and their opinion has never waivered about the importance of masks and social distancing. There are too many hardheaded armchair experts tossing their opinions around as if they carry the weight of training, experience and know-how. Like our president's "expertise" -- those opinions often fall short and are shallow in their reach and scope. This is one reason why there is an unfortunate resurgence. Too many "know it alls" boasting about their opinions....
You remember our president advising that we open up the economy, and "do it quickly"...
Pay keen attention to what our president says, Waco. Listen to how his words and statements reflect careful guidance and knowledge.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Muy Largo

So, Waco, because an "expert" makes an error we disregard everything experts say? I don't pretend to understand all the issues related to this pandemic. Our president actually said it would fade by April. Then he declared it a hoax. Then he said there was a miracle drug, and he was taking it. I realize the president is not an expert in matters of infectious diseases. But he has presented himself as one, even stating that he understands medical information to a great degree, and that this level of understanding runs in his family. No one is immune from making errors regarding this complicated pandemic. I actually cannot recall anyone I'd call an expert advising that masks weren't useful, but I trust that you have documentation for this. Obviously, the current thinking among experts is that masks and social distancing are critical. It is how I have behaved from the start - wearing a mask in public, and maintaining appropriate distance. Do I like doing this. Hell no. But I listened to the people I know who are experts and their opinion has never waivered about the importance of masks and social distancing. There are too many hardheaded armchair experts tossing their opinions around as if they carry the weight of training, experience and know-how. Like our president's "expertise" -- those opinions often fall short and are shallow in their reach and scope. This is one reason why there is an unfortunate resurgence. Too many "know it alls" boasting about their opinions....
You remember our president advising that we open up the economy, and "do it quickly"...
Pay keen attention to what our president says, Waco. Listen to how his words and statements reflect careful guidance and knowledge.

Here's one to add to masks and social distancing -- a lot of people aren't going to get vaccinated if and when one becomes available, because they get their medical advice from Facebook.

[matchingmole]

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here's one to add to masks and social distancing -- a lot of people aren't going to get vaccinated if and when one becomes available, because they get their medical advice from Facebook.

+1 - Tiny.

Good response to the elitist, know it all - patronizing poster. Who holds only to him/herself the criteria for an "expert" - and deigns to define the educational level of other posters with no knowledge whatsoever.

A pontificating, self-righteous and self-entitled buffoon. Must be using Al Sharpton as a role model.


and - if all the antivaxxers refuse wuhan virus vaccination (when available) - herd immunity may well not be reached - and the DPST's will rejoice the continuation into an unforseeable future the continuation of official inflicted freedom restrictions.

DPST heaven.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Have you noticed the narrative shift from the much ballyhooed "death" rate (which is flat and falling) to the "new case" rate?

Texas Judge calls it like he sees it. Of course, the Devil is in the details. EX: If your 2nd Cousin knew somebody that had it - you are now recorded as having it or something like that. Worth a read, be sure to notice date of publication. He called it early...

Texas DSHS Issues New Guidance for "Probable" COVID-19 Cases

According to guidance provided by the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS), Texas will soon begin implementing a new definition for COVID-19 cases that has the potential to significantly and artificially increase case totals.

Prior to this new guidance, Collin County and Texas have been reporting “confirmed” cases based upon laboratory PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests which detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in a clinical specimen.

According to DSHS, Texas will now begin reporting “probable” cases in addition to “confirmed” cases. To qualify as a "probable" COVID-19 case, a person must meet any two of three criteria categories:

• Clinical Criteria
• Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria
• Presumptive Laboratory Evidence Criteria

The problem with this new "probable" definition strategy is in the details....

To summerize; When an opponent is scoring touchdowns often, you need to keep moving the goal posts

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

+1 - Tiny.

Good response to the elitist, know it all - patronizing poster.

I'm actually worried about that Oeb. The vaccines probably won't be as effective for older people, so some will be left unprotected unless we get to herd immunity. And we'd get there faster if more people feel comfortable getting vaccinated.

And yes, if Muy Largo wants to evangelize, like I do with masks and taxes, a less condescending approach would help.

[oeb11]

Tiny- vaccines are an issue - despite the absolute lack of any evidence to support vaccines causing autism - the facebook generation believes - and likely because they have no experience with the diseases vaccines prevent - such as polio.

They understand not what pediatricians support - that the vaccinations are so many levels of magnitude safer than infectious diseases - which are lethal - and antivaxxers refuse based on "facebook" posts.

They put their own children at risk due to Ignorance.



older people - may have a decreased immune response - especially if afflicted with significant underlying disease processes. Hopefully a vaccine will carry enough immunogenicity to give satisfactory levels of protection to the elderly.

in addition - vaccines are not permanent in all people - even if a person has had the MMR -DPT vaccines as a kid in the 60's - as older people protection may wane. we may be faced with a need to re-vaccinate a large portion of the population if DPST Open Borders/Welfare State becomes reality

The diseases are carried in by DPST supported illegal immigrants.

Think wuhan virus is a problem - wait until Open Borders/welfare state results in the US swamped with migrants infected with every known- and some unknown disease - typhoid, polio, Chagas, Measles, mumps, rubella, and the list goes on.

Think the public health system is a problem in responding now - wait until the combination of antivaxxers and Open Borders/welfare State created by the DPST's causes pandemics of old- time infectious diseases - and their DPST foolishness Will kill millions - probably not a majority of the population as the Medieval black Plague - but very possibly a plurality.



maybe it is about Darwinian selection of the human species.

Perhaps the DPST's will all refuse vaccinations.

we can Hope!






to muy Largo - I heard from an 'unidentified source ' that the NYtimes on Facebook has declared vaccination in America a political problem caused by Trump!





meanwhile - One can prepare - ask Your doctor about the need and availability of vaccinations for the common childhood diseases for adults.
if docs don't know now - they will have to learn fast when pandemics occur - and unfortunately it takes time to ramp up vaccine production - even when already approved and produced.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

How exactly does wearing a mask facilitate achieving said herd immunity? Or is the new goal post that achieving herd immunity can only happen via a vaccine, which does not exist for many other seasonal maladies and typically takes 10+ years - with careful testing?

Originally Posted by Tiny

...some will be left unprotected unless we get to herd immunity. And we'd get there faster if more people feel comfortable getting vaccinated...

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Here's one to add to masks and social distancing -- a lot of people aren't going to get vaccinated if and when one becomes available, because they get their medical advice from Facebook.

They'll never approve any type of treatment for Covid-19, but that vaccine will work wonders because some so called expert says that is what is needed. Make sure you stand in line to get your poison for an ailment you don't even have. Dumb the fuck on.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

How exactly does wearing a mask facilitate achieving said herd immunity? Or is the new goal post that achieving herd immunity can only happen via a vaccine, which does not exist for many other seasonal maladies and typically takes 10+ years - with careful testing?

WYID - masks just slow the virus spread through the population - it is just temporizing . Infection of a majority of the population to herd immunity is inevitable - although what the level of infection is to achieve herd immunity is not known. and may differ in different populations. Virus behavior is different in NY City v montana. for clear reasons.



good result of masks - seems to slow the progression so that the health care system is not overwhelmed by all these cases at once - cases of Wuhan virus are stretched out over time and not dumped all at once on hospitals.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

How exactly does wearing a mask facilitate achieving said herd immunity? Or is the new goal post that achieving herd immunity can only happen via a vaccine, which does not exist for many other seasonal maladies and typically takes 10+ years - with careful testing?

It would facilitate achieving herd immunity with less damage to the economy and less loss of human life. Part of the reason why is less overloading of the health care system, as explained by Oeb. There probably will be a vaccine or better drug treatments in a year or two.

Maybe there's an analogy to AIDS. As you said, a vaccine has not been developed over the last 10+ years. Yes condoms are probably a pain if you're ass fucking. (That's a guess, I have no idea and am not going to find out.) But they're cheap. If you were a male homosexual in the 1980's or 1990's in the U.S., your chances of surviving were much better if you used them. If Africans had used them more, not nearly as many would have died and their economies wouldn't have been hurt nearly as badly.

All large countries in the world, population over 40 million, now require masks except the USA and Brazil.