Build a Better Mouse Trap And The World Will Beat A Path To your Door: "Vaccines"?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

This kind of philosophy while appealing is quite false. There are a number of reasons that free speech can and should be restrained including but not limited to.

1: National Security.
2: The ability to protect some victims in court. (usually minors)
3: The ability to protect copyright and patent information.
4: The ability to protect the identity of police, government officials, and sometimes the public.

etc. etc.

To think otherwise is to invite disaster.

you are missing the point. all of the things you mention have been a part of free speech limits overall for decades if not centuries. these items aren't the kind of free speech that is being infringed.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

you are missing the point. all of the things you mention have been a part of free speech limits overall for decades if not centuries. these items aren't the kind of free speech that is being infringed.

If you think your speech is being infringed then take them to court. That's what they are there for. But there is a lot of misinformation disguising itself as fact that's being propagated all over social media, usually for the ignoble purpose of selling snake oil cures and asking for donations for political causes. (like stop the steal, the biggest grift of all)

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

... there is a lot of misinformation disguising itself as fact that's being propagated all over social media...

According to who? The ministry of truth?

[NoirMan]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Interesting fun factoid: Did you realize that each subsequent shot is double the dose of the previous one? Don't remember who posted it, maybe HF; Some day we will look back to now and laugh at ourselves for wearing goggles and masks, while wearing hazmat suits.

Is it now? That’s not what the data says. In fact they’ve used either the same dose or less.

Maybe you should let us know where you get this from.

[DesWad]

Originally Posted by NoirMan

You HF and others keep spewing false information. You are 80% or so less likely to get infected when vaccinated and 90% less likely to get seriously ill. Stop saying shit you read from the likes of Bambino and Rex and other folks that don’t know what they are talking about. Read the million threads on here that point out that the false narrative that vaccines don’t prevent infection is false, incorrect, stupid, ignorant, etc.

If your underlying premise is wrong, the rest of your argument is just as wrong.

your wrong with this information. CDC specifically broadcasted that after 2 shots your antibodies drop off significantly after 6 months. Vaccinated and Unvaccinated can spread the virus just as they do with the flu virus.

The dumbest shit ever is Biden spending more money on more testing! He should be testing for antibodies and not the fucking virus! Buy the cheap tests, then go get the official tests, then wait the tests might not even be accurate because most of them are inaccurate.

[dilbert firestorm]

I don't think any one is testing for viral loads.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by DesWad

...CDC specifically broadcasted that after 2 shots your antibodies drop off significantly after 6 months...

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If you left it up to Bannon and Malone, we might spend 10 years studying vaccines before making them available to the public. Actually I think Malone might have let the elderly and those at high risk have them earlier, but perhaps not before a lot of them had already been infected and died. Trump deserves serious praise for pushing the vaccines through the FDA.

It's debatable how important a part he played in mRNA technology. One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccines, Katalin Karido, says there are "hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did." While another, Stan Gromkowski, who views Malone as an underappreciated pioneer, says "He's fucking up his chances for a Nobel Prize" because of his sensational assertions."...

Labels and character assassination are rather weak and tawdry. Don't you think? Anyway, let's review Dr Malone's resume, per his own words. This is from a transcript of the infamous pod cast, right after he got banned from The Twitter: (bear in mind, this is his short form version and poorly formatted from a 43 page, automated transcript, i.e. many typos) Link here

Robert Malone to Joe Rogan (interview/pod cast)

"okay so I'm going to do the short version okay um some you know this can last for an hour
um if we go into the whole history of mrna vaccines and all that kind of stuff uh my history I I amuh I was originally a carpenter and a farmhand uh in the central coast of california and decided that I wanted to go back to school and uh did two years of computer science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking at a computer monitor in abasement bad decision and decided that I wanted to try to become an MD which was a hard thing to try to do in the in the late 70s so that was a realstretch objective.

Went to uc davis after two years of undergrad at san barbara city college an uh and wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular biology in particular on cancer my mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer and so I looked around and found laboratory at uc davis with a guy named bob cardiff and another guy named murray gardner that were working with retroviruses and their links to breast cancer and it just happened that while I was in there this is circa 83 84. um this whole thing cut loose in san francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in men and uh the lab ended up right at the forefront of that you know davis is just down the street basically from san francisco and at the davis primate center they had discovered that there were monkeys that had immune deficiency and so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate as a total bench rat m when preston marks and murray gardner
and others made the first discovery of a retrovirus basis for emitter deficiency in primates and uh then murray went to the pastor brought back the virus literally in his pocket um he went with there with bob gallo met with a guy named Luc Montagnier that you may know and uh that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine effort for aids so I that's kind of what I cut my teeth on

uh and so I came out of that I you know I was uh it was it was really bold to think that I could get into medical school um and I kind of overshot the mark I got an MD PhD scholarship at northwestern university in chicago and uh so I went from having grown up in santa barbara with my wife, we were high school sweethearts, to chicago and that was kind of an abrupt uh transition so um we decided I would do my graduate work at san diego and i'd been accepted into a program at uc san diego that had two of the top gene therapy specialists I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses that was what I thought was going to be my life and so we moved down to san diego and I started working in the laboratory of indoor
verma which is in the molecular biology and virology labs at the salk institute and this is a place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go it was there was seven nobel laureates at the time plus Jonas a really intense competitive environment carved out a little niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work which was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged and from that I had to develop a series of technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into cells and that through a cascade of events being at the right place the right time asking the right questions surrounded by geniuses led to the series of discoveries that now performs the basis of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines and 10 issued patents from they were all filed in ‘89.
So, that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine and this but since then went on finished my md did two fellowships at uc davis top pathology for years set up a gene therapy lab had many other discoveries came out to the east coast created the technology platform that is now the basis of the company called inovio we actually originally founded inovio in the United States this is uh pulsed electrical fields they have one of the DNA vaccines for Covid then the planes hit the towers the investors pulled back and I went to work for a company called dynport vaccine company that had the prime systems contract as government speak for all the biodefense products for the department of defense for advanced development which is to say clinical trials through licensure and that's my kind of transition from being an academic to focusing on actually making things that work in people and the big epiphany there was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders that publish in big journals and stuff but that doesn't really lead to products and I really wanted to make products
that would help people and so since then for the last I guess about 20 years I've been focused
on actually doing stuff regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting necessary training, etc.
completed a fellowship at harvard university medical school in uh global as a global clinical
scholar to round out my cv and I've uh run you know over 100 clinical trials mostly in the vaccine space but also in drug repurposing I've been involved in every major outbreak since aids this is kind of what I do um I've won literally billions of dollars in federal grants and contracts

I'm often brought in by nih to serve as a study section chair for awarding you know 80 to 120 million dollar contracts in vaccines and biodefense I've spent countless hours at the CDC at the AC ACIP meetings um I have multiple friends at the CDC I work closely with defense threat reduction agency which is a and it's one of my favorite uh clients partners teaming partners and I work with the chem biodefense group there's other branches um including the other this is not the branch that funded the wuhan labs that's another branch of DTRA um I've got many friends in the intelligence community so I'm I'm kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government

I know Tony Fauci personally I've dealt with him my whole career and then and then we had this particular outbreak and um I was uh tip of the spear on bringing the ebola vaccine forward that we now call the merc ebola vaccine I'm the one that got Merk involved..."


So maybe he didn't take the Dale Carnegie or Stephen F Covey series and maybe, just maybe, he don't give a flip about achieving more fame and fortune. That is what the tyrant fears the most - a free person that does not require the tyrant's benevolence to survive.. Therefore, they must be silenced, aka censored. As you may know, he also got banned on Linkedin for a short time. Oh snap, Bannon, aka The Honey Badger, don't give a shit either.

The question remains whether he gots da chops or not. Imma say heck yeah he does. So when deciding who's opinion, his or yours, to go with. Well, let's just leave to your own fetid imaginings...

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

The question remains whether he gots da chops or not. Imma say heck yeah he does. So when deciding who's opinion, his or yours, to go with. Well, let's just leave to your own fetid imaginings...

Well, 98% of physicians had gotten or were going to get the COVID vaccine according to an American Medical Association survey. I imagine a good number of that remaining 2% had a good reason for not getting the vaccine, like allergies to vaccine components.

If you want to believe the 1 or 2 out of 100 doctors who might support your prejudices, have at it. By now you've probably gotten the disease if you haven't been vaccinated and exercised common sense about social distancing and masks. So you should have some immunity. And you're stubborn. Given that, I think it's unlikely I'm going to save your life by showing you the truth and the light about vaccines, social distancing and masks, and will not try any more.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ainst-covid-19

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by NoirMan

Is it now? That’s not what the data says. In fact they’ve used either the same dose or less.

Maybe you should let us know where you get this from.

Right. The Moderna booster was 50 mcg, compared to 100 mcg for the original dose. The other doses stayed the same.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Well, 98% of physicians had gotten or were going to get the COVID vaccine according to an American Medical Association survey. I imagine a good number of that remaining 2% had a good reason for not getting the vaccine, like allergies to vaccine components.

If you want to believe the 1 or 2 out of 100 doctors who might support your prejudices, have at it. By now you've probably gotten the disease if you haven't been vaccinated and exercised common sense about social distancing and masks. So you should have some immunity. And you're stubborn. Given that, I think it's unlikely I'm going to save your life by showing you the truth and the light about vaccines, social distancing and masks, and will not try any more.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...ainst-covid-19

Might want to consider the differences between AMA and AAPS. AMA tracks more towards the medical industrial complex. In other words, boot lickers, goose steppers. The Front Line Doctors, of which there are more than 1 or 2, track more towards AAPS and something called evidence based science. Hey, it's a thing for some people. Who knew? Which means you probably didn't know the AAPS is suing the FDA et all over HCQ censorship: Link here

The few Doctors I have spoken with are not interested in the vaxx for themselves, mostly because they've already had the covid. You easily trip into the trap; is natural immunity worse than artificial immunity? One told me - yeah, I could only do 25 push ups, instead of my normal 50 for a couple days.

Do you even consider what the gene therapy does to you? It causes the body to create the spike protein, which triggers your body to respond to it. Sounds simple until you actually look at autopsies for what the organs look like in the dead vaxxed. Turns out, not only does the body respond in attacking "them", it also attacks the organs where "they" are found. In essence it creates and autoimmune response to the body's own organs. Not too un-different than the way AIDS behaves.

Say, wait a second... Didn't Dr Robert Malone work side by side with 6 or 7 Nobel Laureates during the AIDS thingy? I believe he may have. Go figure.

But you accidentally bring up a great point with "...exercised common sense about..." before you dribbled off with masks etc. - which has nothing to do scientifically nor with common sense. What common sense has been rolled out about fortifying your immune system? Nunnya! You know I toss you a few bones here and there about that.

"...I'm going to save your life by showing you the truth and the light about vaccines,..." The truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth <spittle, spittle>!! I believe you are a goal post chaser. You've got no choice as they keep moving it all over the field. We can waltz down memory lane if you like. You get so dizzy trying to find the new placement of the goal post that you can't step back and reevaluate it as new data pours in, aka evidence based science, which one would hope could break you free of the trance you get into chasing all those data phantoms that they place in front of you repeatedly.

But then, that is the point of it all - create divisions, censor the non-goose steppers and move the goal posts. Good luck with that. You end up learning and chasing new phantoms with no one to blame for the shift in a mesmerized trance. Some call it what it is; a wild goose chase, where the chaser is the one that ultimately gets goosed.

The two things you will ultimately have to deal with when you learn the actual truth is how to get unvaxxed (if you even can) and what are you going to do about those that misled you? You are already wa-a-a-y past the fool me thrice stage.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

You are already wa-a-a-y past the fool me thrice stage.

My only dilemma right now is whether I'll get J&J or Moderna for my fourth shot. If I choose the latter it's not going to be the pidly 50 mcg dose. I'll get 100 mcg of supercharged mRNA, lipids, acid, salt and sugar!

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Do you even consider what the gene therapy does to you? It causes the body to create the spike protein, which triggers your body to respond to it. Sounds simple until you actually look at autopsies for what the organs look like in the dead vaxxed. Turns out, not only does the body respond in attacking "them", it also attacks the organs where "they" are found. In essence it creates and autoimmune response to the body's own organs. Not too un-different than the way AIDS behaves.

I'm dubious.

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

The few Doctors I have spoken with are not interested in the vaxx for themselves, mostly because they've already had the covid. You easily trip into the trap; is natural immunity worse than artificial immunity? One told me - yeah, I could only do 25 push ups, instead of my normal 50 for a couple days.

One friend and two acquaintances are in their graves because of COVID, and more suffered through a week or two of incapacity. Two tell me they don't always think clearly, many months after getting the disease.

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Might want to consider the differences between AMA and AAPS. AMA tracks more towards the medical industrial complex. In other words, boot lickers, goose steppers. The Front Line Doctors, of which there are more than 1 or 2, track more towards AAPS and something called evidence based science. Hey, it's a thing for some people. Who knew? Which means you probably didn't know the AAPS is suing the FDA et all over HCQ censorship: Link here

From Wikipedia,

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care. The group has included notable members, including American Republican politicians Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Tom Price.

Well, I like the Pauls, and even contributed to Rand's campaign.
But he is a little nutty when it comes to Fauci and COVID.

The AAPS has about 5,000 members and its revenues in 2019 were $642,740. The AMA has around 250,000 members and revenues of around $332 million per year.

It sounds like the AAPS is mostly a political organization. I don't know about you but I don't give a rats ass whether my doctor is a Republican or a Democrat. I want someone who knows his shit and is a good practitioner.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

My only dilemma right now is whether I'll get J&J or Moderna for my fourth shot. If I choose the latter it's not going to be the pidly 50 mcg dose. I'll get 100 mcg of supercharged mRNA, lipids, acid, salt and sugar!...

What about the next shot the next month and the one after that and after that? I expect they will start adding Agave nectar and Pink Himalayan salt for the health food crowd. Maybe a bit of Cilantro or jalapeno even.

Originally Posted by Tiny

...One friend and two acquaintances are in their graves because of COVID, and more suffered through a week or two of incapacity. Two tell me they don't always think clearly, many months after getting the disease...

Bummer dude. Though I question if they thought clearly before. I mean, they were friends with you and all.

Originally Posted by Tiny

...From Wikipedia,

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care. The group has included notable members, including American Republican politicians Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Tom Price....

Didn't we have this discussion about Wikipedia already? That will be 2 demerits! Please deduct 2 additional IQ points for persisting.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Tiny

...I'm dubious....

Short and small study. There is also a mortician in Britain who noticed the same thing. Others are investigating as well. But before you stumble into character assassinations and Wikipedi talking points, know this; These are life time long experts in their fields.

16 min video link embedded in the article. Definitely watch it, though the article describes it accurately. But listen to the tone of this guy.

Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

The vaccines are bad news. Fifteen bodies were examined (all died from 7 days to 6 months after vaccination; ages 28 to 95). The coroner or the public prosecutor didn’t associate the vaccine as the cause of death in any of the cases. However, further examination revealed that the vaccine was implicated in the deaths of 14 of the 15 cases. The most attacked organ was the heart (in all of the people who died), but other organs were attacked as well. The implications are potentially enormous resulting in millions of deaths. The vaccines should be immediately halted.

No need to worry. It is doubtful that anything will happen because the work wasn’t published in a peer-reviewed journal so will be ignored by the scientific community. That’s just the way it works....

There is that autoimmune thingy again.
Almost forgot the paper that is linked to in the article.

On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination


On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination Sucharit Bhakdi, MD and Arne Burkhardt, MD This text is a written summary of Dr. Bhakdi’s and Dr. Burkhardt’s presentations at the Doctors for COVID Ethics symposium that was live-streamed by UKColumn on December 10th, 2021. The two
presentations can be viewed at the very beginning of the video recording of the symposium.

The authors
Dr. Bhakdi has spent his life practicing, teaching and researching medical microbiology and infectious diseases. He chaired the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the Johannes Gutenberg Unversity of Mainz, Germany, from 1990 until his retirement in 2012. He has published over 300 research articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology and parasitology, and served from 1990 to 2012 as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, one of the first scientific journals of this field that was founded by Robert Koch in 1887.

Dr. Arne Burkhardt is a pathologist who has taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He was invited for visiting professorships/study visits in Japan (Nihon University), the United States (Brookhaven National Institute), Korea, Sweden, Malaysia and Turkey. He headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years. Subsquently, he worked as an independent practicing pathologist with consulting contracts with laboratories in the US. Burkhardt has published more than 150 scientific articles in German and international scientific journals as well as contributions to handbooks in German, English and Japanese. Over many years he has audited and certified institutes of pathology in Germany...


How ironic would it be if the Germans were the ones prosecuting Crimes Against Humanity in the Nuremberg 2.0 trials?!?

[TaylorClix]

Originally Posted by NoirMan

You HF and others keep spewing false information. You are 80% or so less likely to get infected when vaccinated and 90% less likely to get seriously ill. Stop saying shit you read from the likes of Bambino and Rex and other folks that don’t know what they are talking about. Read the million threads on here that point out that the false narrative that vaccines don’t prevent infection is false, incorrect, stupid, ignorant, etc.

If your underlying premise is wrong, the rest of your argument is just as wrong.

Wow. What poisoned well have you been chugging your information from?