Kamala's Awful Record As Border Czar - Here's the Raw Truth

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Asking for a friend, but didn't hussein osama obama and big mike also do the same thing?

they did and other admin's of both parties also did. again this policy goes back to 1997. the issue with the left is that Trump made it a "zero tolerance" policy. he did this to deter entire families trying to claim asylum and entering the US. obviously the left detests this because it's clear what their true border policy is ..

"Everyone is Welcome .. No questions asked!"

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

they did and other admin's of both parties also did. again this policy goes back to 1997. the issue with the left is that Trump made it a "zero tolerance" policy. he did this to deter entire families trying to claim asylum and entering the US. obviously the left detests this because it's clear what their true border policy is ..

"Everyone is Welcome .. No questions asked!"

Everyone is entitled to a hearing, because that’s the law!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Everyone is entitled to a hearing, because that’s the law!

upwards of 70% of all asylum requests are rejected. at best only half of all these millions have a chance their request will be granted. in the meantime Biden who revoked Trump's EO about "Remain in Mexico" opened the flood gates. on purpose.

now due to this surge these people are scattered all over the US with upwards of 10 years before any hearing. Obama .. er Biden intentionally overwhelmed an already stressed immigration system to get these people in regardless of the validity of their claims.

all of these people are causing serious resource and funding issues in every community they are sent to .. including Springfield, Ohio. the cat story turned out to be false ... the massive issues being caused there and everywhere else is not.

and to no one's surprise .. some of these people are "bad hombres"

and Biden won't even deport these people immediately.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and Biden won't even deport these people immediately.

Sounds to me like we need to pass some legislation to make sure that we can get that done. You know, so we can follow the law.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Sounds to me like we need to pass some legislation to make sure that we can get that done. You know, so we can follow the law.

what legislation is needed to to deport a convicted foreign national criminal? we already have laws for that .. Biden is ignoring them. why?

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

upwards of 70% of all asylum requests are rejected.

False. Most cases aren't even heard. Do your homework to understand why

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/742/

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/fi...7366/dl?inline

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Everyone is entitled to a hearing, because that’s the law!

Also false.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

False. Most cases aren't even heard. Do your homework to understand why

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/742/

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/fi...7366/dl?inline



Also false.

agree completely. i've long held that the laws and criteria for asylum doesn't by default grant anyone the right to apply for asylum.


your numbers from Syracuse only covers the last decade. my contention is that since WWII/1945 the long term historical data averages about 50% and in some era's has been as high as 70%. as we all know at various times the criteria has been relaxed or increased by various administrations.



i recall seeing one study that did show over the last 8 decades it was about 50%.i'll see if i can turn up the longer term numbers and see what they show.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Everyone is entitled to a hearing, because that’s the law!

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Also false.

It was my understanding that if you applied for asylum you were supposed to get a hearing. If this is not true can you please explain further or pass on a link with more information.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It was my understanding that if you applied for asylum you were supposed to get a hearing. If this is not true can you please explain further or pass on a link with more information.

Hinges on the word "everyone" which is why it's false.

There are categories of folks not eligible.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-united-states

CLP, which is still currently in place, permits removal without a hearing.

In other cases, folks who aren't eligible for asylum, could theoretically try to apply for withholding of removal. But they're typically already in the U.S.

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...ing-of-removal

Folks who have been deported previously and/or are subject to a ban can be deported again immediately.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...t-hearing.html

Expedited removal is possible under certain circumstances

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/see...-process-works

Additionally folks who passed up a safe third country aren't eligible to apply and will be deported back to that third country (happens a lot with folks being sent back to Mexico)

Folks who missed their one year window aren't eligible.

Folks who have committed certain crimes aren't eligible.

Folks who were previously denied asylum aren't eligible.

https://www.arizonaimmigration.net/a...sked-questions

Also don't forget that you have to apply under the correct categories. And have fear of returning. While a lot of folks are coached in what to say, even if they don't qualify, those folks help gum up the works.

Basically... avoid using absolutes.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Hinges on the word "everyone" which is why it's false.

There are categories of folks not eligible.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-united-states

CLP, which is still currently in place, permits removal without a hearing.

In other cases, folks who aren't eligible for asylum, could theoretically try to apply for withholding of removal. But they're typically already in the U.S.

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...ing-of-removal

Folks who have been deported previously and/or are subject to a ban can be deported again immediately.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...t-hearing.html

Expedited removal is possible under certain circumstances

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/see...-process-works

Additionally folks who passed up a safe third country aren't eligible to apply and will be deported back to that third country (happens a lot with folks being sent back to Mexico)

Folks who missed their one year window aren't eligible.

Folks who have committed certain crimes aren't eligible.

Folks who were previously denied asylum aren't eligible.

https://www.arizonaimmigration.net/a...sked-questions

Also don't forget that you have to apply under the correct categories. And have fear of returning. While a lot of folks are coached in what to say, even if they don't qualify, those folks help gum up the works.

Basically... avoid using absolutes.

excellent post! and the safe haven issue is part of both US and International laws on refugees yet these migrant caravans were allowed to bypass several safe haven countries including Mexico. these people aren't interested in finding "safe haven" .. unless it's the USA.


the laws don't support that. yet more proof the Biden/Harris admin has ignored that and many other laws to allow this mass migration to the USA.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Hinges on the word "everyone" which is why it's false.

There are categories of folks not eligible.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-united-states

CLP, which is still currently in place, permits removal without a hearing.

In other cases, folks who aren't eligible for asylum, could theoretically try to apply for withholding of removal. But they're typically already in the U.S.

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...ing-of-removal

Folks who have been deported previously and/or are subject to a ban can be deported again immediately.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...t-hearing.html

Expedited removal is possible under certain circumstances

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/see...-process-works

Additionally folks who passed up a safe third country aren't eligible to apply and will be deported back to that third country (happens a lot with folks being sent back to Mexico)

Folks who missed their one year window aren't eligible.

Folks who have committed certain crimes aren't eligible.

Folks who were previously denied asylum aren't eligible.

https://www.arizonaimmigration.net/a...sked-questions

Also don't forget that you have to apply under the correct categories. And have fear of returning. While a lot of folks are coached in what to say, even if they don't qualify, those folks help gum up the works.

Basically... avoid using absolutes.

Thanks for taking the time to elaborate.

That doesn’t invalidate my point however, To fix the process will take more resources, more legislation or both to process the number of applicants whether they are eligible or not.

[HDGristle]

Didn't say it did.

Trump tried zero tolerance and didn't put the $ where he needed to. Got helped by COVID. Violated spirit and letter of law in some cases. His backlog also expanded.

Biden removed zero tolerance, but couldn't ramp up staffing enough or quickly enough to make the right progress. So he's getting squeezed on 2 fronts and seeing backlog expand further

Keep in mind, the majority of folks arriving at the border don't have a solid asylum claim. It's the economic argument from the 80's.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Didn't say it did.

Trump tried zero tolerance and didn't put the $ where he needed to. Got helped by COVID. Violated spirit and letter of law in some cases. His backlog also expanded.

Biden removed zero tolerance, but couldn't ramp up staffing enough or quickly enough to make the right progress. So he's getting squeezed on 2 fronts and seeing backlog expand further

Keep in mind, the majority of folks arriving at the border don't have a solid asylum claim. It's the economic argument from the 80's.

Oh No! We’ve wandered into the truth. How in the world did that happen.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Oh No! We’ve wandered into the truth. How in the world did that happen.

It happens when there's mutual respect and open-mindedness

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

False. Most cases aren't even heard. Do your homework to understand why

https://trac.syr.edu/reports/742/

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/fi...7366/dl?inline

Also false.

The second link is fascinating. It appears that people are being granted asylum who shouldn't be. Fifty-five people from Chile in 2023 for example. I'm aware of the Mapuche conflict, but still...

Looking at the first link however, does it really matter? Only 637,000 people were granted asylum during the last 10 years. That's a reasonable number to accept, considering the USA has a population of 330 million and is supposed to be a shining beacon of light to the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

It happens when there's mutual respect and open-mindedness

You've won over the Waco Kid.