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Old 11-22-2016, 09:36 PM   #46
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Meltdown much?




My reading is fine, wolf-girl. You haven't answered a thing. It's obvious you're in way over your head here.

But thanks for playing. Now run along.
No meltdown at all. Just tired of telling you to read my statements. You know if I really wanted to lay it down to you, I can easily do that. But why bother? You are a blockhead. You know I am right and that is why you are pissed off at me. Everything you mentioned I have given an excellent rebuttal with evidence. All you have given me is a chart showcasing the demands of the consumer that does not give me any info on what happens behind the scenes. Let's be honest demand or spending habits are easily manipulated by the powers to be. If there are affordable energy sources out there for the public to use they would use it. But right now there aren't any incentives to do so because of political corruption, money exchanging hands, good old fashion propaganda and growing pains of a new technology. But like I said before it will change, maybe not today or tomorrow. But it will change.
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:45 PM   #47
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You're stupid, Wolfie.
You are clueless. Maybe people don't want to buy your shit product even if it was cheaper than anything out there. Ever heard of brand loyalty or reliability problems. Ask fucking Toyota about that. Sigh. Clueless man.
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Old 11-22-2016, 09:51 PM   #48
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It's amazing... another babbling economic illiterate. This sentence made me burst out laughing:



Economists use the term "comparative advantage" to analyze trade between nations, not wages.
Think again, Einstein.

"In an economic model, agents have a comparative advantage over others in producing a particular good if they can produce that good at a lower relative opportunity cost or autarky price, i.e. at a lower relative marginal cost prior to trade."

It is easier to produce a product or render a service if the cost of wages of certain personnel are low enough to utilize profits stemming from such cost cutting measures in the development or growth of the business or the investment in new markets. The opportunity cost decreases for businesses that have more money to spend.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:02 PM   #49
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You are clueless. Maybe people don't want to buy your shit product even if it was cheaper than anything out there. Ever heard of brand loyalty or reliability problems. Ask fucking Toyota about that. Sigh. Clueless man.
You're stupid, Wolfie, in this instance, "labor" is the commodity being discussed, and labor increases or decreases in value based on the Law of Supply and Demand (a not so "silly economic theory" that's been around for about 800 years, Wolfie: in case you missed the point).

What economic enterprise doesn't require some amount of labor, Wolfie?

The problem, Wolfie, is that illegals that willingly work for half of what an American would demand drives down wages. So, no, an employer won't pay $15 per hour when there are beaucoup illegals willing to do the same job for $7.50, Wolfie.



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It's amazing... another babbling economic illiterate. This sentence made me burst out laughing:
Wolfie is a lib-retarded moron.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:04 PM   #50
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You're stupid, Wolfie, in this instance, "labor" is the commodity being discussed an labor increases or decreases in value based on the Law of Supply and Demand (a not so "silly economic theory" that's been around for about 800 years, Wolfie: in case you missed the point).

What economic enterprise doesn't require some amount of labor, Wolfie?

The problem, Wolfie, is that illegals that willingly work for half of what an American would demand drives down wages. So, no, an employer won't pay $15 per hour when there are beaucoup illegals willing to do the same job for $7.50, Wolfie.
Oh God, you keep going back to that. I have already answered that question of yours. You are chasing after your own tail.

Read this.
http://www.salary.com/eight-things-t...st-your-pay-2/
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeat_lessons20001101/

Why the American working class is getting paid less and why less unemployment means higher income for workers:
(1) Unions have lost their bargaining power
(2) Service industry jobs are prevalent and have been historically low paying jobs
(3) Less manufacturing jobs because they have been sent overseas
(4) higher income earned by managers and sales force
(5) change in culture: more of a me-me culture
(6) It's becoming less affordable to go to college. College graduates make more money than high school graduates.
(7) Falling minimum wage value in relation to increasing cost of living
(8) Jobs are being outsourced to cheaper nations that have highly skilled and educated work force
(9) Inexpensive smart technologies are making the working man obsolete
(10) American workers are afraid to lose their jobs in an uncertain economic climate so they don't demand pay raises
(11) Corporations have learned how to sever the link between productivity and higher worker income by becoming more efficient.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:18 PM   #51
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Oh God, you keep going back to that. I have already answered that question of yours. You are chasing after your own tail.

Read this.
http://www.salary.com/eight-things-t...st-your-pay-2/
http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeat_lessons20001101/
No, Wolfie. Your stupid-ass didn't "answer" any question. You took a hit of your fairy dust, and posted your delusions. Remove the excess labor (AKA "illegals") from the labor pool, Wolfie, and wages will go up ... just like they did in North Dakota.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:47 PM   #52
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No, Wolfie. Your stupid-ass didn't "answer" any question. You took a hit of your fairy dust, and posted your delusions. Remove the excess labor (AKA "illegals") from the labor pool, Wolfie, and wages will go up ... just like they did in North Dakota.
Excess labor are Americans that are unemployed, underemployed, or outright quit looking for work.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:53 PM   #53
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Excess labor are Americans that are unemployed, underemployed, or outright quit looking for work.
What part of "Americans can't afford to work as cheaply as illegals" do you not understand, Wolfie?

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What part of "Americans can't afford to work as cheaply as illegals" do you not understand, Wolfie?

Mmmmm, can't afford to work as cheaply? Have they ever heard of downsizing? Do families really need two gas guzzling cars, a big house with a pool and a two-door garage, going out for steak every weekend, buying new clothes each month, going to vacation each summer, buying that expensive Starbucks cup of coffee everyday, seeing hookers etc.? Americans have been living beyond their means for a long time now. It's about time that they wake up.
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Excess labor are Americans that are unemployed, underemployed, or outright quit looking for work.
You are the miserable little fucker that no one wanted to play with in school. You just have grown up and still the same miserable fucker that no one wants to play with.
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You are the miserable little fucker that no one wanted to play with in school. You just have grown up and still the same miserable fucker that no one wants to play with.
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Why the American working class is getting paid less and why less unemployment doesn't mean higher income for workers:
(1) Unions have lost their bargaining power
(2) Service industry jobs are prevalent and have been historically low paying jobs
(3) Less manufacturing jobs because they have been sent overseas
(4) higher income earned by managers and sales force
(5) change in culture: more of a me-me culture
(6) It's becoming less affordable to go to college. College graduates make more money than high school graduates.
(7) Falling minimum wage value in relation to increasing cost of living
(8) Jobs are being outsourced to cheaper nations that have highly skilled and educated work force
(9) Inexpensive smart technologies are making the working man obsolete
(10) American workers are afraid to lose their jobs in an uncertain economic climate so they don't demand pay raises
(11) Corporations have learned how to sever the link between productivity and higher worker income by becoming more efficient.
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Old 11-22-2016, 11:48 PM   #58
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Mmmmm, can't afford to work as cheaply? Have they ever heard of downsizing? Do families really need two gas guzzling cars, a big house with a pool and a two-door garage, going out for steak every weekend, buying new clothes each month, going to vacation each summer, buying that expensive Starbucks cup of coffee everyday, seeing hookers etc.? Americans have been living beyond their means for a long time now. It's about time that they wake up.
It would be you and your ilk that is contributing to this delinquency in that your ilk, Wolfie, advocates that every welfare recipient is entailed to food subsidies so that they can spend their cash on alcohol, tattoos, cigarettes and gold plate dental work. Then you want to toss in housing subsidies, free health care, computers with internet service for each child and cell phones with monthly service for all, Wolfie.
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It would be you and your ilk that is contributing to this delinquency in that your ilk, Wolfie, advocates that every welfare recipient is entailed to food subsidies so that they can spend their cash on alcohol, tattoos, cigarettes and gold plate dental work. Then you want to toss in housing subsidies, free health care, computers with internet service for each child and cell phones with monthly service for all, Wolfie.
BTW, food stamps are really used to buy food, most of which goes to the stomachs of little children that are oblivious to the politics of their plight that wasn't caused by them. I don't think alcohol, tattoos, cigarettes and gold plate dental work are on the menu for women who try to take care of their offspring the best that they can. However, I do see a lot of rich types that feed off of Government Corporate Welfare buying a lot of champagne, artwork, Cuban cigars, and dental porcelains. Then you want to toss in the million dollar mansions, plastic surgery, and the state of the art electronic toys and movie projection screens that can cost more than a small fortune. Yeah, you get the picture.
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No meltdown at all... Everything you mentioned I have given an excellent rebuttal with evidence.
Lol, if that was true you wouldn't have to say it.


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All you have given me is a chart showcasing the demands of the consumer that does not give me any info on what happens behind the scenes. Let's be honest demand or spending habits are easily manipulated by the powers to (sic) be. If there are affordable energy sources out there for the public to use they would use it (sic). But right now there aren't any incentives to do so because of political corruption, money exchanging hands, good old fashion (sic) propaganda and growing pains of a new technology...
You are a babbling fool. You spout contradictions every time you open your ignorant piehole.

If fossil-fuel lobbyists are manipulating the whole show, then why does all the government money (grants, loans and subsidies) go to renewables, i.e. their competition? It looks like the powers-that-be (not "powers to be") must suck at manipulating things.

Even after decades of massive government assistance, renewables are still just a drop in the bucket of US energy needs. You've provided no explanation for this failure - other than to blame it vaguely on political corruption and manipulation and "money changing hands", when all of the public money is going to the greenies.

You make no sense. You contradict yourself. You've offered no rebuttal. And you've presented no evidence.
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