Possible Meet & Greet

[VeronicaMoore]

What information could they possibly have besides verotel records? And then that only would prove that someone paid for membership to the site, right?

[MuffDVR]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

If you're talking about a M&G planned, organized, and advertised online.... yeah, I have to agree with you. I was referring to something smaller , more private , and handled purely on backchannels. They happen all the time... in many areas. Loose Lips sunk the infamous event you're referring to.

Yes but ALL the member info on aspd is now in the hands of LE, anyone who ever reviewed or paid membership or providers whos info was housed on aspd are not safe, INCLUDING PAYMENT INFO, and considering as of 2/8/2010 the FBI got involved. but hey what do i know, im just a pimp,lol.

Ask yourself this.. who can you trust isnt setting up a party thats a bust for LE? I mean whos not gonna turn rat when faced with charges? Just saying, bad time to be a trusting person when theres little benefit. Backchannel or not, right now, i would think before doing it.

I wont say i told you so, but theres a reason no elves ever advertised on aspd, of course when i tried to post a warning of LE and admin involvement on aspd, i was quickly hushed up and banned.. werent you one of the hushers Giz?

[MuffDVR]

Originally Posted by VeronicaMoore

What information could they possibly have besides verotel records? And then that only would prove that someone paid for membership to the site, right?

how about your IP addy with home address? maybe your complete full name and reviews that stated you were paid for services? and the real kicker, how about your entire inbox trace and offers BCD? Currently 21 Law Enforcement Entities Nation Wide as well as the FBI are now involved, we will be seeing arrests over the next year from aspd. When aspd was taken over by the LE, you were told it was closing due to "money issues" for 10 days it was being run by LE. sooo you tell me.. What info could they have? Lets see.. this site mentioned there.. and all the others?

For yrs, everyone in this area playing secret squirrel, and its the secret squirrel attitude thats going to get everyone busted, its the open and blatant people who just never seem to have problems,lol. Know why? its because if you ARENT BREAKING THE LAW WHY HIDE?? exchange of money for time is legal, so why hide? only if you are exchanging money for sexual services right?

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by MuffDVR

.... of course when i tried to post a warning of LE and admin involvement on aspd, i was quickly hushed up and banned.. werent you one of the hushers Giz?

No.... I don't believe I played a part in that discussion. I have never given Arny Rat's Ass about whether LE knows I visit ASPD , ECCIE , TER , Escorts.com , TBD.... or any of the others , or not. Can someone please explain what laws I violated by doing so.... even if I paid for site membership?

[annie@christophers]

I heard that happened in Houston but was unaware it was happening in L.a... Im VERY surprised I didnt hear that actually.. Makes sense though I mean this is a given for them/easy pickings.. Giz u are right I think the m/g's of the future will have to be smaller.

[bodilly]

Correct me if I am wrong,
What is illegal about people getting to together for for drinks and such?
No matter whether you set it up in an open forum or via backchannel?

I thought the folks in Houston were were picked up on warrants and not for anything that happenede that night,at least that is the impression I got from the news reports.

BIGC or some other lawyer can you shed some light on this please?

[BIG C]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

No.... I don't believe I played a part in that discussion. I have never given Arny Rat's Ass about whether LE knows I visit ASPD , ECCIE , TER , Escorts.com , TBD.... or any of the others. Can someone please explain what laws I violated by doing so.... even if I paid for site membership?

Even if the FBI and other federal agencies were wasting time, money, and effort investigating a now defunct website and tracking down everyone's IP as has been stated, they wouldn't be able to do much of anything with that info except to prove that someone was a member of a website.....So what???.....Since there's no law against being a member of a website that has already been adjudged to have a Constitutional Right to exist, then they have absolutely nothing on you from your membership on a defunct website that they can't get from your membership on any other website in existence.....

I won't even bother to address the comments about LE taking over a website and all the other statements made because the person making them isn't in a position to have firsthand knowledge of those statements and it appears as though they were only made to cause paranoia.....

Giz's question of what law has been broken by being a member of any of these websites is valid.....You have broken no law by being a member of a website that has a right to exist, whether you're a paid member or not.....So if I were you ladies and gents I wouldn't lose any sleep over someone finding out that you were on ASPD and posted there, or someone even posted a review of you, or whatever.....

[BIG C]

Originally Posted by bodilly

Correct me if I am wrong,
What is illegal about people getting to together for for drinks and such?
No matter whether you set it up in an open forum or via backchannel?

I thought the folks in Houston were were picked up on warrants and not for anything that happenede that night,at least that is the impression I got from the news reports.

BIGC or some other lawyer can you shed some light on this please?

Ok, one more time here.....If I recall correctly, there were well over 130 people at that gathering in H-town, and there were only 12 people that got arrested.....Those 12 that got arrested were observed engaging in illegal conduct by undercover officers that had infiltrated the party.....The other over 120 people that were at the party were told that they could go back and resume their party (yeah right, like that was gonna happen).....The news reports said that there would be more arrests made and warrants issued for arrests later on, but I can tell you that from my many years of dealing with the police as a defense attorney, THAT IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT ! ! ! ! !.....If cops have the goods on you to make an arrest then they are going to make an arrest at the scene.....They are NOT going to let you go (and many of the people at that party were not from H-town) and send you an arrest warrant in the mail.....I don't care if they spent 4 months or 4 years working on their undercover investigation, they made all the arrests that they could make at the party, on the scene, and they let the rest of the people go.....Since there's absolutely no law against having a social and inviting people (either openly or privately), then the people at the party who weren't engaging in any illegal conduct have nothing to worry about as far as getting arrested just from their mere presence at the social.....

Lots of people like to talk big shit like they know what they're talking about but all they really do is spread paranoia and fear and that pretty much makes people do stupid things and then in turn it makes LE's job that much easier.....Keep your wits about you and don't engage in illegal conduct at a gathering and have fun at the next M&G, whether it be in SELA, MS Coast, or Bumfuck, Egypt.....

[MuffDVR]

Originally Posted by BIG C

Even if the FBI and other federal agencies were wasting time, money, and effort investigating a now defunct website and tracking down everyone's IP as has been stated, they wouldn't be able to do much of anything with that info except to prove that someone was a member of a website.....So what???.....Since there's no law against being a member of a website that has already been adjudged to have a Constitutional Right to exist, then they have absolutely nothing on you from your membership on a defunct website that they can't get from your membership on any other website in existence.....

I won't even bother to address the comments about LE taking over a website and all the other statements made because the person making them isn't in a position to have firsthand knowledge of those statements and it appears as though they were only made to cause paranoia.....

Giz's question of what law has been broken by being a member of any of these websites is valid.....You have broken no law by being a member of a website that has a right to exist, whether you're a paid member or not.....So if I were you ladies and gents I wouldn't lose any sleep over someone finding out that you were on ASPD and posted there, or someone even posted a review of you, or whatever.....

wow Big C that all sounds exactly like what you said in October BCD when i tried to let everyone know of LE infiltration... Gee you kinda missed that one didnt you?

As for the FBI, actually if your occupation is as you state, then you can understand both ENTERPRISE CORRUPTION.. let me help with that...

Enterprise corruption, on the other hand, involves the
commission of a number of individual criminal acts, all
committed [either personally or in concert with
another/others] by a person who is employed by or
associated with a criminal enterprise, and who acts with the
intent to participate in or advance the affairs of that criminal
enterprise.

Keep telling people theres no law against it, but when a group of people are arrested from within a larger group, all anyone has to show is direct knowledge of said ENTERPRISE and guess what that is.. FELONY. As for what i know about the ongoing situation.. I can assure you its far more than anyone else here, so take my advice and heed my warnings or dont, either way, ill still be here long after the arrests are made and the bails are paid. Maybe its just luck huh?

Let me help you guys out with a few other laws that it seems the House lawyer isnt aware of...


a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE is an entity that is
not legitimate or lawful. Under our law, a criminal enterprise
means a group of persons sharing a common purpose of
engaging in criminal conduct, associated in an ascertainable
structure distinct from a pattern of criminal activity, and with
a continuity of existence, structure and criminal purpose
beyond the scope of individual criminal incidents.

What that means is that a criminal enterprise exists
when two or more individuals, all sharing a common purpose
of engaging in criminal conduct, come together and become
associated in a group that has a defined structure, a
continuing existence, and a criminal purpose that extends
beyond the commission of individual criminal acts.
In order for a person who is employed by or associated
with a criminal enterprise to commit the crime of Enterprise
Corruption, he or she must intentionally conduct or participate
in the affairs of that criminal enterprise [or any other
enterprise] and must do so by participating in a pattern of
criminal activity.

.. Gee being a MODERATOR sounds dangerous doesnt it?

[BIG C]

Gee, I guess I just slept through law school and all these many years that I've been a defense attorney has just been dumb luck since I apparently don't know the law as well as MuffDVR does.....Thank you so much for educating everyone here while the inHouse Lawyer just doesn't know anything.....Where would we all be without your wise counsel???

[MuffDVR]

“‘Pattern of criminal activity’
means conduct engaged in by persons charged in an enterprise corruption
count constituting three or more criminal acts that: (a) were committed within
ten years of the commencement of the criminal action; (b) are neither
isolated incidents, nor so closely related and connected in point of time or
circumstance of commission as to constitute a criminal offense or criminal
transaction, as those terms are defined in section 40.10 of the criminal
procedure law; and (c) are either: (i) related to one another through a
common scheme or plan or (ii) were committed, solicited, requested,
importuned or intentionally aided by persons acting with the mental
culpability required for the commission thereof and associated with or in the
criminal enterprise.” This charge, which has re-ordered the statutory
language for the sake of clarity, assumes that there are no factual issues for
the jury to decide regarding the dates of commission of the crimes charged
as pattern criminal acts, and whether they were committed within ten years
of the commencement of the criminal action. If such an issue is presented,
the charge should be modified accordingly. Where necessary, the jury
should also be charged on the definitions of the terms “criminal offense”
and/or “criminal transaction”

[MuffDVR]

Defense attny perhaps, I have no doubt you Defend YOURSELF well, its the rest of us that is the issue.


provides in pertinent part: “[A] person
participates in a pattern of criminal activity when, with intent to participate in
or advance the affairs of the criminal enterprise, he engages in conduct
constituting, or, is criminally liable for pursuant to section 20.00 of this
chapter, at least three of the criminal acts included in the pattern, provided
that: (a) Two of his acts are felonies other than conspiracy; (b) Two of his
acts, one of which is a felony, occurred within five years of the
commencement of the criminal action; and (c) Each of his acts occurred
within three years of a prior act. This charge, which has modified the
statutory language for the sake of clarity, assumes that neither the grade
nor the date of commission of any of the charged pattern criminal acts
presents an issue of fact for the jury to decide. If such an issue is presented,
the charge should be modified accordingly.

[MuffDVR]

SOOO to recap.. heres kinda what the paper looks like that the jury gets...


In this case, therefore, in order for you to find the
defendant guilty of the crime of Enterprise Corruption, the
People are required to prove, from all the evidence in the case,
beyond a reasonable doubt, each of the following five
elements:
1. That on or about and between (dates), a criminal
enterprise existed;
2. That, during that period, the defendant,
(defendant’s name), had knowledge of the
existence of that criminal enterprise and the nature
of its activities;
3. That, during that period, the defendant was
employed by or associated with that criminal
enterprise;
4. That on or about and between (dates), the
defendant conducted or participated in the affairs
of that criminal enterprise [or some other
enterprise] by participating in a pattern of criminal
activity; and
5. That the defendant did so intentionally.
Therefore, if you find that the People have proven
beyond a reasonable doubt each of those elements, you must
find the defendant guilty of the crime of Enterprise Corruption
as charged in the __________ count.
On the other hand, if you find that the People have not
proven beyond a reasonable doubt any one or more of those
elements, you must find the defendant not guilty of the crime
of Enterprise Corruption as charged in the ____________
count.


Anyone here want to try and argue in court that this wont stick like hot butter to their ass since being a member at aspd?? I have nothing against you Big c, although you may have against me, and as you are a lawyer, is anything posted here incorrect? Because in pursuit of my own legal education years ago, this is what i had learned. I just think people should be aware of laws before they break them and then say "well i didnt know!!"

[MrGiz]

This might be out of Left Field.... but I have a different take, on why managers of Managed Girls might be apprehensive about having [their] girls attend a "social" event.

There might be waaaay too much education about the hobby available.... to the point where they may be enticed to enhance their position!

Another believe it or not moment.... I have nothing against agency girls who choose to be agency girls.... after knowing their options!

[MuffDVR]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

This might be out of Left Field.... but I have a different take, on why managers of Managed Girls might be apprehensive about having [their] girls attend a "social" event.

There might be waaaay too much education about the hobby available.... to the point where they may be enticed to enhance their position!

Another believe it or not moment.... I have nothing against agency girls who choose to be agency girls.... after knowing their options!

lol wow, you honestly cant be that stupid... all the ELVES HAVE DIRECT NUMBERS, call them and tell them their options as you see it, Call them and say "darlin, if you give back that new car, and leave that paid for suite, and go do it on your own at 18yrs old, although you dont have a credit card to rent a room, nor the credit to buy a car, you will be sooo much better off because right now all you take home is a guaranteed 2000 dollars plus the car, hotel and advertising... Papa GIZ is going to give them all new cars, airfare ,suites which avg cost is 1600 per week per elf, and let them keep 100% of their money!! Ohhh better yet, how bout they go work for your agency friend who takes 33% for posting an ad on backpage and answering all calls so the girls CANT work without her? No cars, No suites, No Airfare weekly, cmon, stop trying to convince people im a bad guy, unless your agency friend is a straight nazi.

.....Let's try to keep other innocent people who have not commented in this thread out of our responses here please.....BIG C Id say YOUR advice wont benefit them much,lol. But i give FREE AND OPEN ACCESS TO ANNYONE WANTING TO CALL ANY ELF AND MAKE THEM A BETTER OFFER. Just be sure you can back up what you say.. screw one of them over, and ill burry you alive. Id say thats fair... so cmon Giz, put up or shut up.