Why Obama Giving The Order To Kill Bin Laden Was Significant

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

So based on THAT you know more about it than I do?

If it is true that pigs have wings, then pigs can fly! So I know more about flying pigs than you do!!!! Please?????

The "taking down" of the WTC was a plot that began before 1993, when the first attempt failed, but managed to kill some people. That was real and persons involved (not all) were apprehended. The plan for the second attempt to take down the WTC was begun 4-5 years BEFORE 2001. so "THE FACT" (if it is "A FACT") that OBL had kidney problems in 2001 has no bearing on whether or not he was involved in either attempt or both, whether he were a "master mind" or "just involved" AS YOU FIRST STATED.

Secondly, "kidney problems" are not "terminal" per se ... there are a number of reasons ... we have two of them, they can be treated, they can be replaced, and there is dialysis.

Thirdly, none of the above PROVES you know more about the topic than I! And that was the trust of my question. You focus on the "conspiracy" and anecdotal stories that are not relevant to whether or not he was involved in the financing or planning of the ATTACKS ON THE WTC ... in 1993 and 2001.

The anecdotal "review" of videos and audios with speculation regarding such things as someone looking "heavier" or "thinner" and someone wearing a ring "when OBL was not seen before with a ring on his hand" by persons who had NEVER SEEN HIM IN PERSON hardly amount of "conclusive" evidence (or anything about speculation) that he died in December 2001. But if he did die in December 2001 (a big "if") that was post 911-attack.

Your claim that he wasn't involved because he died in December 2001 is spurious at best.

http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/911comm-sec7.pdf "The Attack Looms"!

That is a pdf file ... do a search on "Bin Laden" and see what he did in the PLAN!

According to persons involved AND documents discovered in searches.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

So based on THAT you know more about it than I do?

If it is true that pigs have wings, then pigs can fly! So I know more about flying pigs than you do!!!! Please?????

The "taking down" of the WTC was a plot that began before 1993, when the first attempt failed, but managed to kill some people. That was real and persons involved (not all) were apprehended. The plan for the second attempt to take down the WTC was begun 4-5 years BEFORE 2001. so "THE FACT" (if it is "A FACT") that OBL had kidney problems in 2001 has no bearing on whether or not he was involved in either attempt or both, whether he were a "master mind" or "just involved" AS YOU FIRST STATED.

Secondly, "kidney problems" are not "terminal" per se ... there are a number of reasons ... we have two of them, they can be treated, they can be replaced, and there is dialysis.

Thirdly, none of the above PROVES you know more about the topic than I! And that was the trust of my question. You focus on the "conspiracy" and anecdotal stories that are not relevant to whether or not he was involved in the financing or planning of the ATTACKS ON THE WTC ... in 1993 and 2001.

You're missing the point of this thread. It's not really about Osama Bin Laden and the 9-11 incident. It's about Obama ordering a hit on Osama Bin Laden in 2011. That's a big major lie if Osama Bin Laden had already been dead in 2001. There is evidence and documentation pointing to the fact that Osama Bin Laden wasn't alive in 2011. So we don't know who was killed in the raid or if it even took place for that matter.

Jim

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Saddam was not a mortal enemy of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis had a complicated relationship with him. Saddam was a Sunni like them. He kept Sunnis in power in Baghdad. During his 1980-88 war against Shiite Iran, he borrowed a lot of money from the Saudis and Kuwaitis. They loaned it to him because they hate Shiites. They wanted Iran to win.

Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990 because he was exasperated with Kuwaiti demands for repayment of those 1980-88 war debts. Saddam wanted to bring the Royal House of al-Sabah to heel and forcibly take over Kuwait's oil fields. He tried to justify his takeover by invoking centuries-old territorial claims. He never thought the US would respond as we did under George H.W. Bush.

Today Shiites (2/3 of the population) are running Iraq. We should have anticipated that installing democracy there was bound to result in a transfer of power to the Shiite majority. Once we invaded, we should have stayed long enough to keep them from descending into sectarian chaos. By withdrawing prematurely in 2011, Obama created the vacuum that allowed ISIS to take over Mosul and produced the chaos we see today.

CORRECTION: The last sentence in the first paragraph above should have read "They wanted Iraq to win."

Originally Posted by flghtr65

I agree with what you wrote up to the last paragraph.

Al- Malaki got the government that he wanted. The chaos resulted because the Kurds were only sect strong enough to protect themselves from ISIS. The coalition forces have improved with some consulting and direction from our guys. The coalition forces just won control of Fallajah, a key city about month ago. They have recovered over 45% of the territory that was controlled by ISIS since January 2016. The next battle will be for Mosul. Our soldiers do not have a combat role.

Especially with the benefit of hindsight, it made NO SENSE for us to withdraw completely from Iraq in 2011, only to return 3 years later with the troops and advisors that should have been left behind. We had excellent intelligence-gathering capabilities in Anbar Province, thanks to our close working relationships with the Sunni tribal chiefs cultivated over many years. Those "eyes" suddenly went dark because Obama wanted us out. That was incredibly stupid, short-sighted, and driven by Obama's domestic 2012 re-election needs rather than any objective assessment of US or Iraqi security needs. Had we left the lights on, we would have seen how ISIS was making inroads (and we would have been able to react and nip them in the bud) well BEFORE they grew strong enough to take over Mosul in June 2014. Liberating Mosul now will be inestimably more costly.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You're missing the point of this thread. Jim

So ... now you want to go back to the "point of this thread"?

Based on your perspective of the world if you weren't standing there when an event occurred, it didn't occur!

You weren't walking around with the astronauts on the moon, so it didn't happen. You weren't there pulling the trigger on OBL, so it didn't happen. You weren't there signing the Declaration of Independence, so it didn't happen.

I understand your mental processes (if one can call it that) now!

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...ht=moon&page=6

Post #79 ... and you believe the moon landings didn't happen.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

There is evidence and documentation pointing to the fact that Osama Bin Laden wasn't alive in 2011. So we don't know who was killed in the raid or if it even took place for that matter.Jim

Who is "we"? You and ______________________________ __.

Don't bother trying to explain who "we" is .... if that gives you some emotional and psychological comfort then by all means keep thinking there is a bunch of you out there .... believing you really weren't born, because you didn't see yourself pop out of the womb!!!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Your claim that he wasn't involved because he died in December 2001 is spurious at best.

It is completely false to say he died in 2001. OBL released a constant stream of audios and videos while he was in hiding from 2001-2011. He was conclusively identified through voice and facial recognition technology. He mentioned things proving the recordings were recent. When he was killed by Seal Team 6 on May 1, 2011 his identity was confirmed by DNA swabs that matched up with bin Laden family DNA samples we already had on file. You can't get more conclusive than that.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It is completely false to say he died in 2001. OBL released a constant stream of audios and videos while he was in hiding from 2001-2011. He was conclusively identified through voice and facial recognition technology. He mentioned things proving the recordings were recent. When he was killed by Seal Team 6 on May 1, 2011 his identity was confirmed by DNA swabs that matched up with bin Laden family DNA samples we already had on file. You can't get more conclusive than that.

You do understand that Mojo doesn't want to believe ANYTHING reported by the Government from the Team Member who drilled OBL, to the medical and forensic personnel who examined and tested him, and the analysts who evaluated the audio and video tapes released (and collected in searches) that were manufactured and published after 2001 .... but ....

....that was not his original "point" .... which was

[QUOTE] Mojo: Post #24 above:

"Bin Laden was never part of 9/11 you fucking idiot. There is absolutely no evidence to support he was."

Post #24 above in this thread.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Who is "we"? You and ______________________________ __.

Don't bother trying to explain who "we" is .... if that gives you some emotional and psychological comfort then by all means keep thinking there is a bunch of you out there .... believing you really weren't born, because you didn't see yourself pop out of the womb!!!

"We" as in the Country as a whole. Of course there are people who can't think objectively when it comes to stories spewed out by the Government and the MSM. Now maybe the Government doesn't lie all the time but being their track record in telling the truth is less than stellar prompts me and many others to take a look further into the official explanations. You can stick with the program if you want to. I am not. The truth has never been uncovered by settling for a lie, and the Government does lie whether you realize it or not.

Jim

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

"We" as in the Country as a whole.

Jim

So you actually believe "the Country as a whole" believes ...

.... that OBL died in late 2001 .. and the raid was faked?

You don't know how much I wish that were true ... because ....



.... HillaryNoMore probably wouldn't have even been nominated!

Much less have a snowball chance in Hell of prevailing in November!

But unlike you I don't depend on wishful thinking to carry the day.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Prissy Sissy, thanks for bring this up...

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

"We" as in the Country as a whole.

The truth has never been uncovered by settling for a lie, and the Government does lie whether you realize it or not.

Jim

You could ask this guy. He would probably just laugh at you.



At least I'm not laughing at you.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You could ask this guy. He would probably just laugh at you.



At least I'm not laughing at you.

That guy probably knows but he's not talking, lol.


Jim

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by lustylad

CORRECTION:




That was incredibly stupid, short-sighted, and driven by Obama's domestic 2012 re-election needs rather than any objective assessment of US or Iraqi security needs. Had we left the lights on, we would have seen how ISIS was making inroads (and we would have been able to react and nip them in the bud) well BEFORE they grew strong enough to take over Mosul in June 2014. Liberating Mosul now will be inestimably more costly.

Al - Malikai did not want the USA there. They (the Iraqi people) celebrated when we left. Getting out of Iraq was one campaign promise that Obama kept. We had been spending over 20 billion per month in Iraq. Bush43 should have never invaded Iraq in the first place. What did we accomplish over there? Saddham was removed from power and we found WMD's that the USA had designed and sold to them back in the 1980's. Liberating Mosul will not be more costly than the 20 billion per month we were spending over there. Also, our troops will not have a combat role.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

So you actually believe "the Country as a whole" believes ...

.... that OBL died in late 2001 .. and the raid was faked?

You don't know how much I wish that were true ... because ....



.... HillaryNoMore probably wouldn't have even been nominated!

Much less have a snowball chance in Hell of prevailing in November!

But unlike you I don't depend on wishful thinking to carry the day.

The fact that the raid was faked is one reason why she would be nominated and why she won't ever be convicted because she'll keep a lid on everything the Government doesn't want people to know. She has a lot of dirt on her and so does Obama. They probably have that little understanding of "You scratch My Back and I'll scratch Yours". Same goes between the Bush's and the Clinton's.

Jim

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It is completely false to say he died in 2001. OBL released a constant stream of audios and videos while he was in hiding from 2001-2011. He was conclusively identified through voice and facial recognition technology. He mentioned things proving the recordings were recent. When he was killed by Seal Team 6 on May 1, 2011 his identity was confirmed by DNA swabs that matched up with bin Laden family DNA samples we already had on file. You can't get more conclusive than that.

Yeah. That's what government tells us. Government would never lie to us, would it?