How does a cop get a real session?

[PODarkness]

Originally Posted by EMSchaser

There are those who are in law enforcement on these boards as active hobbiests. They will never share the secrets if they are legitimate.

If there are, I invite them to post as guest, in response to my last post on this thread.

Consider the mind set of a person who devotes 40 hours a week to searching out & hunting down people who commit a crime, and if not actually ruining their lives, at least putting a very large long lasting dent in them. That same person, when off duty, has no problem, and sees no issue committing those same crimes.
Any cop who can rationalize his way out of that can rationalize any action, on or off duty.

A person can't do something on Friday, then spend their Saturday destroying somebody's career, marriage, finances and reputation for doing the same thing, and be OK with it, unless they are a sociopath. At that point, who cares that he''s a cop? He's a sociopath.

[commed222]

Originally Posted by PODarkness

Consider the mind set of a person who devotes 40 hours a week to searching out & hunting down people who commit a crime, and if not actually ruining their lives, at least putting a very large long lasting dent in them. That same person, when off duty, has no problem, and sees no issue committing those same crimes.
Any cop who can rationalize his way out of that can rationalize any action, on or off duty.

A person can't do something on Friday, then spend their Saturday destroying somebody's career, marriage, finances and reputation for doing the same thing, and be OK with it, unless they are a sociopath. At that point, who cares that he''s a cop? He's a sociopath.

I'm an active member of Law Enforcement, and I think that @PODarkness and some others of you have the wrong idea about those of us that might partake in this "Hobby". The overwhelming majority of us don't spend every working hour trying to hunt down people who might occasionally break a rule or two. We spend our time trying to keep society safe from dangerous people and hazardous things. Despite this people often seem to get the misconception that we are trying to get them.

I have come across several providers on this board in the course of my working day (actually nights), and never given a single one of them trouble. I do work hard to discourage streetwalkers to stay away from my neighborhoods, because they CAUSE trouble. I have also removed providers from hotels, but only because they were creating dangerous situations. You don't want to see a lady who has an armed thug waiting for her in the parking lot do you? With knives, (sometimes) guns, and / or vicious dogs. Does removing and confronting these dangerous (and typically) felons make me a sociopath?

I would never use my position to gain an advantage, or hurt a provider trying to make an honest living. I am a professional, and any Cop who would take advantage of a provider with threats is no brother of mine.The only time I've had a real conflict was when I learned that a young, beautiful but drama filled and crazy, provider was being treated for a life threatening STD. I tried to post that info on another board (ASPD?), but had it edited out by the moderator. I hope no one who could have avoided it was infected.

I've seen providers in my area who had no idea, and have since given me references. When I've seen them in uniform they had no idea, because a lot of people tend to lump us all in together without seeing us as the individuals that we are. I have had to pass on some well reviewed providers because they work too close to me, and I see no benefit for either of us to be uncomfortable. I have let some providers know, but only when I was in Vegas where they knew that I had no jurisdiction. They were cool with it and we had fun. I have seen (and enjoyed) a provider who posted some unpleasant things in this thread.

I apologize for rambling a bit here, but I have seen the good, bad and ugly. And I'll bet I would enjoy that BDSM session....

[mustang_city]

Originally Posted by commed222

I do work hard to discourage streetwalkers to stay away from my neighborhoods, because they CAUSE trouble.

Have you, or would you ever, use information from this or the old board to locate streetwalkers in your neighborhoods?

[Meko]

Very well said Commed...everyone needs to relax..including law enforcement/millitary etc.
I have and still do entertain officers that have an open mind like myself. They have never used there position to make me uncomfortable actually quite the opposite. Its nice to have a friend that can walk that line. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2011-8/1368571/0

[PODarkness]

Commed222,
No need to apologize for your post. It's short compared to this one. Thank you for accepting my invitation. If you actually do the job that you describe in your post, I wish there were more like you.

Unfortunately, what I see Law Enforcement spending their time doing isn't quite that helpful, at least not to ordinary people just trying to get by. First let me say that I realize you are not the Mayor or (I hope) any politician, but I see LE spending the lions share of their time enforcing laws that do nothing to keep the streets safe, or to keep the weak from being bullied, or to keep the bad people from taking advantage of the good. The laws I see being enforced most often, and most efficiently, are passed to make the city, or county, or state or a private owner of jails and prisons, money.

In my opinion, passing laws and making everyone into a criminal because you can't get re-elected without buying the votes is just about as low as it gets. Just above those, are laws to impose someone else's morality on people who are minding their own business. (for fun AND profit)

If somebody is fined more than they can afford for breaking one of these "laws", they are put on a list (Bench Warrants) of people that might have their life turned upside down at any moment, loose their job at any moment, loose their car, their kids, any money they have managed to save, at any moment. Oh yea! Almost forgot. Being on the list pretty much doubles the amount the unlucky person couldn't pay when it was half that. From then on, you own them.

It's a protection racket and LE fills the muscle roll. As long as we pay up every time a tail light burns out, and every time our dog has a birthday, or our car has a birthday, or a driver has four birthdays, or we smoke a cigarette in a bar, or drink a shot of vodka in front of one (because we can't smoke in the bar) or have sex in our car (where nobody could see us until you showed up with a flashlight), or sell whiskey on Sunday, or pussy on Monday, or ride without a helmet, or walk our dog without a leash, or video tape LE while they video tape us, or sleep in our car while broke, or drive while black, or park our car on our lawn, or forget to use our turn signal while we are sitting in the turn only lane, or cross the street without using the crosswalk, or buy six cars on Tuesday and sell them on Wednesday, or loose our drivers license card, or forget to tell your associates our new address when we move, or drive 35 in a 30, or have a garage sale without giving your associates a cut, or show off a magnificent set of breasts without a band-aid on the nipple or have two wives, or bury our own dead, or not tell your associates when we have a child, or or...

As long as we pay, you protect uswe don't get fucked with, but miss just once, and it's open season to get pulled over, harassed, detained, questioned, handcuffed, arrested, fingerprinted, searched, towed, incarcerated, fired, dumped, evicted, abused, bullied, humiliated, and then fined again so the fun doesn't ever have to end. You don't make those laws, but you do make sure those laws turn a profit. In that sense, it is not a misconception when people believe you are trying to get them.

I'm not sure I agree with your reasons for removing the providers from a hotel. It doesn't appear from your description of the situation that the provider was causing any trouble. Yes, the armed "thug" in the parking lot probably deserves to meet you on duty, just on the assumption that if he was not being stupid with a gun in a public place, you would not have known he was armed. There are proper laws against that, and I doubt anyone who isn't personally biased is going to have a problem with you enforcing them.

I'm not as moved by your use of the word "felon," as if he automatically needs to be removed, has no rights, and gets no respect. It sounds like you tend to lump felons all in together without seeing them as the individuals that they are. Now that everyone is a criminal, and being a "felon" might mean the guy got caught with a single joint back in the 70s, I don't buy the stereotype you are implying.

Less offensive, but still unconvincing, is your description of the dogs as vicious. Were they attacking people, or were they simply pit bulls? If a dog is loose, and attacking people at random, shoot it. If it's growling at you because you make his owner (the felon) nervous, the dog is just protecting it's pack leader. Even a toy poodle will do that.

What trouble was the provider causing? Maybe you simplified the story for the sake of keeping your post from being about that story (not uncommon around here), but when you say you "removed providers from hotels" do you mean you helped them check out of the Hilton, or that you helped them check into the GrayBar?

My dog pretty much likes everyone but cops. I didn't teach her that, your coworkers did, I was handcuffed and shoved into a car while she watched, then she was removed from the car using the stick and loop, even though I told anyone who would listen that if you open the door, call her by whistling, and ask her to get into the cage, she'll do it. We both went to jail, and my car was impounded. Why? A warrant for expired registration. Yea, the streets were safer that day!

Here's the clue that it's all about money, and has nothing to do with that little sticker in the window. It cost me well over a grand to get my dog, my car, and myself out of jail. I still didn't have the new sticker, but nobody had a problem with me driving my car out of the impound, and home. If I had been required to renew the registration as a requirement for getting out of jail, or as a requirement for getting my car out, it would be an indication that the registration actually matters, but it's much better if you drain my cash and leave me broke but in the same illegal state, so I can be harvested again later, don't you think?

Commed222,
you mentioned my previous posts in this thread, but have not addressed my point.

What do you call someone that ignores laws but insists others obey? By obey I mean obey or have their financial stability, family, clean record, job, wife, home, yanked out from under them? I'll give you a hint. It starts with A and ends with sociopath.

Yea, I know. Who gives a shit, they're just criminals, right?
POD

[commed222]

@Mustang City: I haven't or wouldn't use information gleaned from here to go after a provider, and I don't think too many streetwalkers are really connected through electronic means. You don't need to look too hard to find them when they are out, and they do typically cause a lot of trouble for people. Prostitution is a very rare charge in my area (despite the fact that there are large numbers of providers and they advertise openly on BP to even include the hotels area they are in), and we don't conduct stings or hassle providers just on that basis.

@POD: I hope this doesn't sound patronizing, but it does seem to me that you had an experience that wouldn't be typical in my area (which I obviously won't identify). We don't issue warrants for expired registrations, and we don't go to those extremes unless there is something more to the situation then just a minor traffic violation.

The thugs and felons I referenced were dangerous people, and the provider (Of the craigslist / fake pics variety) was working in concert with him to menace the customers after they left the session. We were notified of this by an unrelated family staying at this hotel who witnessed it, but the customer / victim left without reporting it. In this providers room were several empty mens wallets. No way to prove it in a court of law, but obviously a problem. Which is why this pair was told in no uncertain terms to leave. My sense is that rip offs and robberies are more common than we are aware of.

I know what a sociopath is, and I know that I am not one of them. On the contrary I feel guilt and shame on a regular basis, and try to live my life with the idea that I will be subjected to the karma that results from my actions. You can make the argument that I am somewhat hypocritical, and I wouldn't be able to make much of a defence. But I enjoy that fact that we can disagree over an issue like this in a civil manner, because it seems that more and more often that many people (that I would refer to as a felon or a thug) resolve these conflicts with violence or threats.

[Guest032716]

This has been a most interesting thread.

A provider friend has a regular that is LE and she says he's great.

Also not long ago, NOPD ran a sting operation with a cop posing as a streetwalker in New Orleans. I don't recall how many idiots they netted - but they did get one of their own who attempted to extort some free poon - I'd hate to be him right now!

[PODarkness]

Originally Posted by commed222

@POD: I hope this doesn't sound patronizing, but it does seem to me that you had an experience that wouldn't be typical in my area (which I obviously won't identify). We don't issue warrants for expired registrations, and we don't go to those extremes unless there is something more to the situation then just a minor traffic violation.

The thugs and felons I referenced were dangerous people, and the provider (Of the craigslist / fake pics variety) was working in concert with him to menace the customers after they left the session. We were notified of this by an unrelated family staying at this hotel who witnessed it, but the customer / victim left without reporting it. In this providers room were several empty mens wallets. No way to prove it in a court of law, but obviously a problem. Which is why this pair was told in no uncertain terms to leave. My sense is that rip offs and robberies are more common than we are aware of....
... I enjoy that fact that we can disagree over an issue like this in a civil manner, because it seems that more and more often that many people (that I would refer to as a felon or a thug) resolve these conflicts with violence or threats.

I enjoy that fact as well. I understand you not wanting to reveal RWI, and respect it, but if what you say about your area is true, I'd move there tomorrow. Can I get a hint? A compass heading? Almost everyone I know has at least one story like mine, and if they are not white, there is a multiplier.

As for your provider / thug story, it was as I suspected. The devil was in the details. I think I would characterize the players a bit differently though. What was taking place had little to do with providing. Armed robbery, theft, extortion... they all describe the situation better, without making a detail the central theme (she was a hooker). Shit like that gives providers a bad name. If they were advertising $20 flat screen TVs on Craigslist, and robbing the guys who showed up, would the story have started... A TV saleswoman and her thug friend...?

Much more to say, and a few questions as well, but at the moment I'm swamped, and I'll need the money for the next coerced support of political folly. Please keep the handle, and if it's a second one I urge the mods to be lenient.

POD

[CharismaCaptures]

I really dont want put my .02
But if your looking to see a provider why dont you drive your car to rhode island ,Escorting was legal till last nov when they changed the law to it being illegal .Cops their take turns with their buddys seeing providers ,Its no big deal .I use to feel safe living their part time ,Knowing that if something happened to us we could call upon le and you guys would be their in a jiffy ,Even thou the laws have changed its still has coruption going on in that small state .
I have a family/friend sarg in nyc ,,But he doesnt go on a board ,tell all he's a cop looking for a provider .
Why dont you try instead go on Match.com ,You can make up youre own profile and tell those ladies your'e a officer ,you take them to dinner ,drinks ,dancing and your in the sack .How much did that cost you 300.00 how many hrs of kissing etc,,,4-5 hrs .You get what you paid for .

[Guest040414-1]

I see LE breaking the law all the time in my town...but of course if I barely speed or don't stop to THEIR specifications then I get a ticket (and I have had a lot of them). I went to school to be an officer and thank GOD that I never took the test to become one bc I HATE LEs more then ever as a citizen who feels unprotected by the LEs in her area!!!!!!!

POs suck in my opinion and the only way I would ever see one is if he was from a whole different part of the country (definitely not a southern PO!)!!!!

[Yerassman]

Interesting thread, I have O use for members of LE,they are a necessary evil. This guy commed222 sounds legit, but he is NOT the norm out there on the streets to "protect and serve".
Any female that fools with a cop is a fool.

[Molly_B]

I saw an cop this week but he's from another state and is just here in school/military. I feel completely safe.

[Guest020112]

A lot of cops have secind businesses and jobs. It is not the greatest paying profession in the world and some become lawyers (imagine that) run any type of business. Therefore they can be successfully screened. We can't check to see if people have TWO jobs.

[trekker]

Interesting thread. I believe that any PD will contain good and bad people, criminals and straights (not using "straight" in it's sexual sense) in the same proportions as the general population of the communities they police.

Now that we've got a bunch of opinions about seeing officers, how about non-commissioned employees (technicians and such) of PDs? How would the guys feel about seeing a provider who was an official of some kind?

[Shayla]

I've had an ex LE officer as a client. He actually used to help the girls that got busted. Been with a 3-4 lawyers, too. Everyone needs lovin'.