A Change in the Hobby

[Miss Dreams]

Originally Posted by arkansasknight

It's all like a box of jelly belly's If you do your research and pick the ones that everyone says is good they probably will be. If you try bp or other sources that have no review or opinions from other clients then its like eating them jelly beans in the dark. You might get that one that taste like dirt that will leave a bad taste in your mouth forever or you may get that spicy hot new flavor you never had before that turns into your favorite. It is all about them long shots and how much of a risk you want to take.
Thanks Dreams ;p

Yep!!!!!!!! I agree, we might get a freak in the sheets or we might get a freak that needs to get out the streets when we are meeting up with a newbie! I will take that chance to find myself another client to add to my long list of fav's!!

No Prob. Sweetie!!

[Guest032514-1]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Oh totally, exactly. If Babee does it then it's good enough for me. I don't remember exactly how long she's been in the biz but she's definitely one of the classiest ladies I've ever come across--and nothing but totally polite and helpful if I ever asked anything of her. If anyone could look down at Babee, then I'm not quite sure you have anyone else to look up to.

I'd almost laugh but HS was talking about Kelly. Although the statement is 100% correct on it's own.

If a provider doesn't think a reference is strong enough, nobody says she has to take it. There's a few I won't take. "I'm sorry, sweetie but I'm gonna have to screen you another way." If a lady says something along those lines, the next step up to the prospective client.

If you don't want to see newbies, then don't. It's 50/50 with me - but I always suggest newbie friendly providers that I feel are safe and have good judgement.

It's not just BP/CL that have ladies who don't screen. It's everywhere and I agree; it's dangerous.

[Guest022210]

I had no provider references when I started and really never had agirl ask fir one until this last NYE. I am laughing when I say that I
carried my work ID and Drivers License to them like I was applying for a Sams card. It seems ludricous now but I wanted to cut to the chase and figured the sooner she felt comfortable with me the sooner I could be out of my underthings and in to hers. I can safely say that I never murdered any of them and never had any problems except the girl who threatened me with exposure and gave up when I started giving her my home phone number so she could speak to my wife. Seriously I always figured that it was and still is my job to do what the provider needs to feel safe.All I face is arrest and public humiliation and I have
already given up on the Presidency anyway. She has the added fear for her personal safety. It is certainly easier to have someone to vouch for you.

Originally Posted by babee

I'd almost laugh but HS was talking about Kelly. Although the statement is 100% correct on it's own.

If a provider doesn't think a reference is strong enough, nobody says she has to take it. There's a few I won't take. "I'm sorry, sweetie but I'm gonna have to screen you another way." If a lady says something along those lines, the next step up to the prospective client.

If you don't want to see newbies, then don't. It's 50/50 with me - but I always suggest newbie friendly providers that I feel are safe and have good judgement.

It's not just BP/CL that have ladies who don't screen. It's everywhere and I agree; it's dangerous.

[sadie]

Wow you guys were up late last night..

I know the new girls are "newbie" friendly (for some thats an understatement)LOL and THAT IS MY POINT. Please SCREEN..and maybe pass out a manuscript on how to write reviews.

Ofcourse there is room for everyone Giz!! Apparantly falling on death ears to some..... I am perfectly fine with CHANGE.Considering I don't have to post an ad on a site everyday, take that as my biz is doing just fine thank you ladies. Also OK with taking the disses since I am willing to speak out about it. I hear others bitch about it off the boards all the time. Let's continue to make the info on hobby related sites as this retain their value for the benefit of all.

I'm done. Please close thread HSP.

[MrGiz]

We have had an influx, recently, of new guys and girls to ASPD, ECCIE, and other review discussion sites. In the end... that's definitely a good thing.

Bottomline.... until all the new guys and girls get verified thru reviews by those we already know.... we simply don't know how safe you are all operating. It's only natural (and safe) to assume the worst! Anyone who doesn't agree with that , either has nothing to lose.... or hasn't figured it out yet. Safety for one = safety for all!

Personally.... I think this has been a good thread. Verified legitimacy makes everyone safer and more comfortable. I can hardly remember the crap I had to go thru as a newbie.... it's a bitch.... but it's worth the effort that it takes to become a verified playmate or hobbyist!

Newbies should make everyone a little nervous.... it's only natural (and safe) to operate/think that way!!!

As time moves forward.... and we get to see & feel that legitimacy.... the Arkansas orgy only gets better and better!

Giz

[arvtxguy]

I am under Sadie! wooo hoo!

According Mr. Giz, we all need to "go get ya some"!

[Guest032112]

Geezzzzzz. You guys were busy last night!

Originally Posted by MrGiz

. . . Personally.... I think this has been a good thread. Verified legitimacy makes everyone safer and more comfortable. I can hardly remember the crap I had to go thru as a newbie.... it's a bitch.... but it's worth the effort that it takes to become a verified playmate or hobbyist!

I agree, Giz and I'll stand by my observation of the changes that have occurred. Changes will continue to occur - that's just a fact of life. Being able to adapt and handle them is what makes life fun. And I'm in favor of having fun.

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Newbies should make everyone a little nervous.... it's only natural (and safe) to operate/think that way!!!

Ladies, I know I've had that discussion with some of you. My concern is that we all play safe. It makes a stronger community for all of us.

Originally Posted by MrGiz

As time moves forward.... and we get to see & feel that legitimacy.... the Arkansas orgy only gets better and better!Giz

Now that's what I'm talking about. Doesn't get any better as long as we all stay on the bed, Randi!

[Randi]

[Randi]

Lemme see if I can clear this up... IN THE PAST (not so distant past) cl/bp was someplace we AVOIDED like the plaque!! My ad was taken from TER and placed on BP I've tryed soo hard to have it removed as I didn't want to be associated with any part of bp/cl...BECAUSE.. for the most part, in this area, what you find on those sites were scams..cops and time wasters... they do "sweeps" of craiglist and backpage girls around here and in one DAY the cops got one chick coming to an incall with drugs...another with a gun.. yet another had LEFT HER KIDS IN THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! ummm...hell no I don't want to be associated with any part of that!!!!!!! screening wasn't happening obviously... I can always tell when BP lists my ad that I've been tryin to have removed...because my phone blows up with calls like this... "ummm i saw yer ad on the internet" Me:"do you have references??" him: "ummmmmmmm what's that?" click. I don't play around with my time...I"m never "board" enough to tease some guy just talkin to him when I have no intention of seeing him... I"ve broken in my share of newbies... and I've also helped out with new girls as much as I could....but now perhaps you girls might understand what Sadie is saying here... bp/cl was just a tiny step up from streetwalkers... I can trust the girls I have met thru ASPD.. and several other boards... bp/cl nope!! I can call some girls I know in LR and say I have mr so and so wanting to see me...is he cool... I can trust that what she tells me is right...I"ll be ok with this guy
AND I can also be assured that she isn't going to turn around and call mr so and so and offer him a better deal to see her instead of seeing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now...I hope some of you new girls who are offended by Sadies post can understand a little better... change is good... embrace it...

speaking of change...damn I couldn't stay logged in long enough to type this post!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Lily Blair]

Sure, great, got it--but nobody has answered my question yet. How are women supposed to know the "proper" way to get into the business? How are they supposed to know about sites like this? How are they supposed to even know that they can call other girls for references? How are you "supposed" to get started?

[willro]

Originally Posted by sadie

There is no trust anymore, so many lame reviews by WK's don't mean much!! You used to have to work harder to establish yourself and build a reputation. Now any unexperienced newbie can write a bunch of crap reviews and people that don't know any better take it as valuable.

Ok...off to bed.

I don't want to oversimplify this, but if one was to review... say a restaurant... a first time customer's opinion of how the meal was, would be just as relevant as the review given by a customer that has been eating there every week for years. All the customers have relevant opinions and relevant expectations. To say that you have to be a posting "old-timer" for your review to be valuable just sounds a little snobbish to me. I look forward to reading all reviews available. I personally assign more credibility to the reviews from guys I'm familiar with and trust, but I appreciate all the reviews I read.... WKs or otherwise. This is the same as when I take a friend's opinion on a restaurant over that of a stranger. However, all the guys writing reviews cared enough to share information with our little community here, and that is the most important thing to helping us all.

PS... I did notice the pun in my metaphorical example above.

[Guest010312-3]

I am sorry that I haven't had the chance to respond until now, but here I go....

It's not just the new ladies that are a concern...it's also the influx of new guys. In the past, in order for a new provider to be "proven legit", it took several reviews from "well known, proven" guys...and in order for a guy to be "verified" he had to have a reference from a "proven provider". However; with the recent addition of so many new girls and new guys it hasn't been that way. Before, many of the established ladies did not accept references from CL/BP providers. It was simply too risky, since most of the girls there were not "verified" as "legit" through reviews by “known” guys. As Sadie said "the local hobby is changing". We simply all need to be able to know "who" to trust for references. I personally, have offered to help many of the new girls screen, however I only hear from a couple and not very often.

This has nothing to do with rates or jealousy, it has to do with SAFETY....for us all!! None of us want to see anyone run into LE issues or worse, and yes there is worse....after all look at what happened in Boston last year with a CL client. If it were about being concerned with whose rates are lower, I wouldn't have a two hour minimum. We all chose our rates for personal reasons and that's each ladies right. My business is doing just fine, always has!! When we are hearing from clients (over and over) that certain girls aren't screening it naturally creates alarm within the community because it puts us ALL at risk!!! Last year should and did show us how much risk we are all put in when even one lady or guy gets busted.....have we forgotten so soon? As far as some of the posts about "weighing the risks" I am personally not willing to take certain added risks.

I have no problem with "change" but it needs to come safely for EVERYONE involved. Let's try to all work together to keep our Hobby community safe for everyone!!!

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by willro

I don't want to oversimplify this, but if one was to review... say a restaurant... a first time customer's opinion of how the meal was, would be just as relevant as the review given by a customer that has been eating there every week for years. All the customers have relevant opinions and relevant expectations. To say that you have to be a posting "old-timer" for your review to be valuable just sounds a little snobbish to me. I look forward to reading all reviews available. I personally assign more credibility to the reviews from guys I'm familiar with and trust, but I appreciate all the reviews I read.... WKs or otherwise. This is the same as when I take a friend's opinion on a restaurant over that of a stranger. However, all the guys writing reviews cared enough to share information with our little community here, and that is the most important thing to helping us all.

PS... I did notice the pun in my metaphorical example above.

I understand the premise.... but I can't accept the analogy.... and here's why.
A first time restaraunt reviewer is simply someone else who chose to eat there. An unknown first time hobby reviewer "may" be LE... or worse! It has happened!

If your girlfriend was an escort , alone.... would you want her taking that chance?

Giz

[Guest010312-3]

Originally Posted by willro

I don't want to oversimplify this, but if one was to review... say a restaurant... a first time customer's opinion of how the meal was, would be just as relevant as the review given by a customer that has been eating there every week for years. All the customers have relevant opinions and relevant expectations. To say that you have to be a posting "old-timer" for your review to be valuable just sounds a little snobbish to me. I look forward to reading all reviews available. I personally assign more credibility to the reviews from guys I'm familiar with and trust, but I appreciate all the reviews I read.... WKs or otherwise. This is the same as when I take a friend's opinion on a restaurant over that of a stranger. However, all the guys writing reviews cared enough to share information with our little community here, and that is the most important thing to helping us all.

PS... I did notice the pun in my metaphorical example above.

I'm sorry Willro, but I'm not risking my life or freedom (nor that of other clients) everytime I go to a new restaurant!!! I frankly don't care about the review itself, I am more concerned with MY Safey and the Safety of our community.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Sure, great, got it--but nobody has answered my question yet. How are women supposed to know the "proper" way to get into the business? How are they supposed to know about sites like this? How are they supposed to even know that they can call other girls for references? How are you "supposed" to get started?

Lily,
Girls like You , Dreams , Dana , and Kyla are perfect examples of girls who discovered sites like this one, and have been proven legit by players we are beginning to know and trust.... as well as by Olde Dawgs we know well!

That is how it's done! Nobody is criticizing anyone for starting out on CL or BP.... but we hope that ya'll might recognize the advantages of sites that offer verifiability.... and use that advantage to increase your safety as well as your client's! It's also fine to continue using BP for your advertising.... we just hope you bring some of the screening tools you may have learned, to the party!

Giz