A song that gets you going...

[phildo]

If repetition isn't the point of Bolero, I don't what is. The composer even referred to it as insistent and repetitive. With a consistent drum based rhythmic element and a fixed 18 bar phrase of only two melodic lines, Ravel was the Godfather of all EDM, the primary funkshunalist of Dub...and who knows, probably Michael Oldfield's great grandfather....

]Who cares. Gimme Beethoven or R&B any day. Or both!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oZmRA2K1E

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by pfmtony

So let's go all out....

1). Lemon song by zeppelin

5). Blurred lines robin thicke if you need a new tune

I like my music to come and say fuck me baby sometimes.....

there are 2 plaigarism songs in your top 5... Lemon song ripped-off "killing floor" by Howlin' Wolf, and Blurred lines stole from Marvin Gaye's "got to give it up"... but you're a young pup, who doesn't realize that white musicians used to, and still do, steal from black musicians with regularity

[phildo]

Black musicians with regularity are the best. I've never stolen anything I couldn't use from a constipated black musician!

With only 12 notes to work with in the Western scale and a lot of repetitive modality for templates (like the "blues") it's pretty hard to be original after 400 years or so of the same thing being refried.

I would strongly suggest that the Old Skool record execs and the culture of the times were more responsible for packaging and selling black music to white kids than the artists themselves as most musicians have some awareness of the musical roots of what they're playing and a healthy respect for the sources they quote in their own performances. One of the few places in the modern global culture where elders and groundbreakers are still respected is in the field of music.

Dig this: I was talking to this kid one day in a music store in, of all places, Bumfuck LA. Judging from the posters on the wall the owner is a big Beatles fan. I ask the kid "So is this like a Beatles shrine, or what?" He says to me "My dad is all about that. As far as I'm concerned NSYNC is their (points at Beatles poster) fault. The Beatles are the original fucking boy band." Now how many people would be offended by that? Probably quite a few. I was taken aback myself, but it forced me into an evaluation of my own youthful pop culture where it became obvious to me the kid was pretty close to right. Any number of original Beatles hits were right down that Holland/Dozier/Holland production path complete with the harmonies. Along with some candied up "blues". That shit right there was painful for a white garage band protégé to acknowledge.

Can anyone really steal the blues? Howlin Wolf patterned himself after Charley Patton, as did Hendrix (playing backwards, upside down, between the legs) and other modern blues icons from Beck to Clapton have all covered Wolf tunes from "Spoonful" to "Smokestack Lightning" and openly cloned Son House and others. The only one pushing blues kicking and screaming into the 21st century, as far as I can tell, is old man Beck.

Any music that is presented with passion is good music, whether we take a hankering to it ourselves or not. Every great artist quotes other great artists, it's the nature of the business. Suits fuck the rest of it up. For proof of that look at Sun Records. The same guy who "discovered" and marketed all those white guys reinventing black music (Elvis, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis) also "discovered" Howling Wolf. Crazy like a fox, eh? It's not black or white to musicians, it's dollar bills to the suits.

Amen.

[Guest092216]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

there are 2 plaigarism songs in your top 5... Lemon song ripped-off "killing floor" by Howlin' Wolf, and Blurred lines stole from Marvin Gaye's "got to give it up"... but you're a young pup, who doesn't realize that white musicians used to, and still do, steal from black musicians with regularity

Its called "sampling". (and yes, he should pay royalties, but like phildo pointed out, the suits fcuk it up)

I love the entire Robin Thicke CD. All sampled from kickass classics. I was raised listening to old wolfman jack radio show recordings and watching the latter days of American Bandstand. I don't think it's stealing when fantastic songs are sampled and tweeked into a new song. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Those thieving "white people" aren't sampling old Mrs. Miller tunes that's for sure. Lol

If i were a musician I'd be flattered if another artist wanted to sample my music, be they black, white or blue. Certainly wouldn't feel offended and play the race card. Art transcends the superficial, including skin color. That being said, credit and royalties should be offered to the original artist or the flattery is completely lost.

In fairness, Robin Thicke also sampled Walter Murphy's Beethoven's 5th on his album. Last time I checked Murphy AND Beethoven they were both white doods and he ain't paying them either.

Ya its about color, but the color is green.

[Chung Tran]

Phildo & THN, y'all are correct of course, in your analysis of copying vs. money interests.. and yes, it's often blurred lines where stealing, sampling, or borrowing is concerned..

but it gets serious when Marvin Gaye's kids tell the Court somebody be fuckin' wit dey money

[papaoscar]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

but it gets serious when Marvin Gaye's kids tell the Court somebody be fuckin' wit dey money

I laughed pretty damn hard at this!!! No idea who they are as people but totally read that in a thick Louisiana accent with a good dose of "aint nobody got time for dat" attitude!

[Guest092216]

Yay! Lawyers! Not! It's bullshit. I read where Robin Thicke's lawyers are preemptively suing the other artists they sampled. That is just sooooo shitty (and totally acceptable in court!). I'll be anxious to see how that plays out. Likely Thicke's camp didn't jump the gun before they knew which way it shot. Smdh... and we all get wagged into looking at the media and politicians....fcuk that! Crooked lawyers fcuk up everything they touch. Who really runs Washington? The economy? The media outlets? Lawyers.

"Legal Ethics". Quickly gaining ground as the most destructive failure of modern man. There are ethical lawyers, but they are dying out since ethics doesn't pay the bills.

It may be the best legal system in the world but using that same tired excuse hasn't done anything for improving it. Its a good thing they didn't apply that logic to the wheel!

Sorry! Soap Box moment. Lol! That was a little hostile. My apologies to any lawyers who may want to sue me for talking bad about them. Or you could just preemptively sue me in the event you were not offended this time, but feel I may offend you in the future.

[bored@home]

Originally Posted by pfmtony

You guys are so subtle.
.............................. .. if you need a new tune
I like my music to come and say fuck me baby sometimes.....

New-ish and direct to the point;

Fast forward to 1:20 (videos these days...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tff2oE31Mlw

Fast forward to 0:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKkb13IU_DE

Fast forward to 0:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Q4Zk3CN8k

and yeah I know... been spending a little too much time at the SC's of late.

[pfmtony]

I actually like covers, remakes or ripoffs, as long as they are good. I make entire CDs if them for the car. I owe one to a certain ATF of mine too.

I like parodies too: you might as well face it, its the dick that you love to Robert Palmeras addicted to love. Who did that?

And a great guitarist once said there are only 13 notes, how you mix them up is your thing.

[Agrippa]

Fiona Apple - The First Taste

http://youtu.be/xRgtOWwamHU

[Poppa_Viagra]

I really like German hoffbrau music, that oom-PAH gets them every time.

[StarsFanTx]

Without a doubt it's "Come away with me" by Nora Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEuOO0lQPc

My ATF played all the time and when I hear it I think of her.

[NYr]

Zep's Kashmire is good to fuck to...if you have not done so, try it.

[Kendall4U]

For a great fuck fest I love NIN and BuckCherry!

[bojulay]

Marshal Music.

Preferably Bavarian.