Quid Pro Quo took place for sure, now what?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Rudy was working on a pardon for Manafort with this "Ukraine, not Russia who meddled in our election in 2016"....

Hey that's an interesting line of speculation there wtf! I do believe it deserves more scrutiny, don't you?

Maybe you can tell Shifty Schiff and his band of dim-retard hoaxsters they need to call Alexandra Chalupa as a witness! Why are they blocking her from testifying under oath?

Omg - could it be because we might find out where the Black Ledger came from? Somebody back in Kiev published dirt on Manafort and got a Republican campaign manager fired right before the election! Does that sound like "foreign meddling" to you?

Now show some outrage, you stinking gooey pile of camel dung!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Huh? But, but, but I thought he was Putin's puppet?

Make up your fucking mind!

[Jaxson66]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Did your dad hire a lead abatement contractor, or did you just eat all the paint and save him a few bucks?

I didn’t live in a house.

I lived down by the river in a van, alla Chris Farley.

You found Rudy? Lots of people looking for him and they’re saying his associates are already spilling the beans for a ticket home

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Huh? But, but, but I thought he was Putin's puppet?

Make up your fucking mind!

Trump I'd Putin's bitch....

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hey that's an interesting line of speculation there wtf! I do believe it deserves more scrutiny, don't you?

Maybe you can tell Shifty Schiff and his band of dim-retard hoaxsters they need to call Alexandra Chalupa as a witness! Why are they blocking her from testifying under oath?

Omg - could it be because we might find out where the Black Ledger came from? Somebody back in Kiev published dirt on Manafort and got a Republican campaign manager fired right before the election! Does that sound like "foreign meddling" to you?

Now show some outrage, you stinking gooey pile of camel dung!

It was published in the context of their elections Putin licker.

Did Paul pay taxes on the cash he recieved?

And while we're at it has GDP averaged 3.0 or higher under Trump? How about deficits? Are they coming down?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

I....under Trump? How about deficits? Are they coming down?

Reducing debt is a function of increasing revenues. Of course responsible spending is certainly a helpful factor. The Feds increase revenue by putting more folks back to work from which they earn money to be taxed. Putting companies back to work IN THE U.S. adds to that increase in revenues, not only for the company, but the increased employment. Getting people off the government tit and back to work reduces spending ... in the area where the U.S. probably has its greatest slice of the pie.

Balancing trade will help all those factors, as it increases overall production in the U.S. Completing the wall will stop the freeloaders from slipping into the country and provide more jobs to finish it and keep it in good condition.

You probably don't know this as a small time house builder, but few businesses start making a profit their second year in operation. It is even more difficult when they have to spend so much of their energy and available productive time fighting off robbers, thieves, vandals, and malcontents from interfering with their productivity and loyal workers.

This is about when you should get back on the porch and remain until you are given permission to leave the porch. Just let the big dogs take care of the yard and surrounding neighborhood and relax. Your bone will be landing soon.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Jaxson66

You won’t be laughing when Article 1 is made public and the word Bribery is very prominent. The term quid pro quo is the term the fat lying bastard uses.

Bribery is the term used in the Constitution.

I suggest you form a search party for Rudy and have him explain that.

Uh, yes I will knowing that every article of impeachment will be rejected by every single Republican in the Senate. But lets examine the legal definition of bribery.


Bribery is the act of giving or receiving something of value in exchange for some kind of influence or action in return, that the recipient would otherwise not offer.


And here is an example, one official to another official "you either fire that guy or I'm not giving you a billion dollars" Notice that no where in that legal definition does it say that if all the right people say the guy should be fired, it's OK. So let's charge Joe Biden with bribery and then we'll talk about Trump. Unless and until Biden is charged, no Republican Senator will vote to convict, period.


No way is one party going to get a pass like the DNC working with Ukrainian officials to investigate Trump and his campaign to aid Hillary Clinton and the hiring of a foreign national Steele to get information from Russians to be used against her political opponent Trump and the other party gets charged for the same thing. Either both get charged or neither gets charged and that's just how it's going to be. In the words of Mick Mulvaney "get over it".




Essentially, bribery is offering to do something for someone for the expressed purpose of receiving something in exchange.


Like giving an Ambassadorship to someone who made a large contribution to your campaign fund?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/obama-donors-top-embassy-jobs-rewards



US diplomats cry foul as Obama donors take over top embassy jobs


Former ambassador likens practice to 'selling of public office' as figures show average amount of cash raised is $1.8m per post
Barack Obama has rewarded some of his most active campaign donors with plum jobs in foreign embassies, with the average amount raised by recent or imminent appointees soaring to $1.8m per post, according to a Guardian analysis.
The practice is hardly a new feature of US politics, but career diplomats in Washington are increasingly alarmed at how it has grown. One former ambassador described it as the selling of public office.


Or abuse of power?





A bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct.


Every time we give aid to another country, it could be construed as to influence the recipients conduct.


https://www.bushcenter.org/publications/articles/2019/4/foreign-aid.html



The U.S. Congress budgets a certain amount of U.S. dollars—taxpayer dollars— each year to provide aid and influence foreign government policies so that they support American priorities.


All this is to merely point out that this shit is done by both parties. If you want Trump removed from office, vote against him in Nov. 2020. Until then, "get over it".

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

It was published in the context of their elections Putin licker.

So whoever leaked the ledger added Manafort's name in order to sway the Ukraine electorate? Please elaborate!

As far as I can determine, there were no Presidential or Parliamentary elections in Ukraine in 2016. And why was the leak made directly to our media, not theirs?

Perhaps we could ask Ms. Chalupa to elaborate? Oh wait, Shifty Schiff won't allow that!


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...n-us-elections


"...the pressure began at least as early as January 2016, when the Obama White House unexpectedly invited Ukraine's top prosecutors to Washington to discuss fighting corruption in the country.

The meeting, promised as training, turned out to be more of a pretext for the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine's prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a then-dormant criminal case against eventual Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a GOP lobbyist."

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

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The meeting, promised as training, turned out to be more of a pretext for the Obama administration to pressure Ukraine's prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a then-dormant criminal case against eventual Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a GOP lobbyist."

Well if you believe that lie....

https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukra.../30181445.html
However, there are two big problems with the narrative presented by Trump and Giuliani, according to activists in Ukraine and others.

For one thing, Ukrainian prosecutors and anti-corruption advocates who were pushing for an investigation into the dealings of Burisma and its owner, Mykola Zlochevskiy, said the probe had been dormant long before Biden leveled his demand.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the United States" to close the case against Zlochevskiy, Vitaliy Kasko, who was a deputy prosecutor-general under Shokin and is now first deputy prosecutor-general, told Bloomberg News in May. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015," he added.

Activists say the case had been sabotaged by Shokin himself. As an example, they say two months before Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board, British authorities had requested information from Shokin's office as part of an investigation into alleged money laundering by Zlochevskiy. Shokin ignored them.

Kaleniuk and AntAC published a detailed timeline of events surrounding the Burisma case, an outline of evidence suggesting that three consecutive chief prosecutors of Ukraine -- first Shokin’s predecessor, then Shokin, and then his successor -- worked to bury it.

"Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said.

Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Well if you believe that lie....

Still waiting for you explain how the leaked ledger wasn't tantamount to Ukraine meddling in our 2016 election.

So you're cool with letting someone in Kiev decide if a US Presidential campaign manager gets fired 2 months before our election?

[oeb11]

Sure the DPST's are cool with that - as long as it is a republican!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Still waiting for you explain how the leaked ledger wasn't tantamount to Ukraine meddling in our 2016 election.

So you're cool with letting someone in Kiev decide if a US Presidential campaign manager gets fired 2 months before our election?

Maybe someone in Kiev didn't like Paul and wanted to show how the former president of Ukraine was crooked.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Reducing debt is a function of increasing revenues. Of course responsible spending is certainly a helpful factor. The Feds increase revenue by putting more folks back to work from which they earn money to be taxed. Putting companies back to work IN THE U.S. adds to that increase in revenues, not only for the company, but the increased employment. Getting people off the government tit and back to work reduces spending ... in the area where the U.S. probably has its greatest slice of the pie.

Balancing trade will help all those factors, as it increases overall production in the U.S. Completing the wall will stop the freeloaders from slipping into the country and provide more jobs to finish it and keep it in good condition.

You probably don't know this as a small time house builder, but few businesses start making a profit their second year in operation. It is even more difficult when they have to spend so much of their energy and available productive time fighting off robbers, thieves, vandals, and malcontents from interfering with their productivity and loyal workers.

This is about when you should get back on the porch and remain until you are given permission to leave the porch. Just let the big dogs take care of the yard and surrounding neighborhood and relax. Your bone will be landing soon.

WDF hijacks his own thread. AGAIN!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

WDF hijacks his own thread. AGAIN!

LL was only a burp in the thread of life....

[oeb11]

Evidence of a life wasted in Mom's basement chasing internet memes.

Seek help!