Eyes Open Or Closed?

[JohnMacnab]

I have never treated anybody like a piece of meat. Provider or civilian. Ever. I would not be able to live with myself if I ever found myself doing that.

Only sociopaths ignore or fail to take into consideration the feelings of others. So to treat someone like a piece of meat would require that you disregard that they have feelings and are human. I would guess that some clients may be sociopaths but most are not.

[Mature Companion]

I have to ask: with this adult lifestyle being about SEX and all that applies to SEX & Intimacy.
Just how are men in this hobby expecting too much from women, here?
Seriously, I'd like to know that answer.

Is kissing really expecting TOO much? Is enjoying anal sex with a man, really expecting TOO much? Is looking into a man's eyes while you're fucking, really expecting TOO much? Is wrapping your lips around his cock as he's enjoying those slow DSL pleasing him, really expecting TOO much?
Is enjoying his tongue between your thighs,on your ass, really expecting TOO much?

Is going out to lunch, dinner,concert, ball game etc, really expecting TOO much.

Is truly having an ENJOYABLE intimate time with a woman, here in this adult lifestyle, really expecting TOO much?


Really, what is it that men are expecting, That's TOO much?? Where this adult lifestyle is concerned, outside of that of fetishes & bondage and unsafe sex?

Because in my minds eye; intimacy, which includes kissing, gazing into ones eye, fucking in various ways is a natural thing two adults enjoy and why would that be any different in this adult hobby lifestyle? I'm dazed and confused and that rarely happens.

Originally Posted by incognito isis

Don't put words in my mouth. I do whatever i feel comfortable doing. For me I like to keep my eyes shut because it takes me to someplace I enjoy. I escort 100% for the money. You wouldn't know it if you met me. And thats why I have these blokes emailing me all the time like were friends. Anyway, thats besides the point. I do my job pretty damn good. So I keep my eyes shut as if I am in ecstacy, but really I'm on a mental vacation. Sorry. I never said eye contact was crossing the line. What I am saying is, I do what I feel comfortable doing. I just think you guys are expecting waaaaaaaay too much from a provider. I see it more and more. You want BBBJ, CIM, DFK, passion, GFE, OTC time, ETC, free dinner dates. Get a real girlfriend and STOP asking us to place our health at risk. And if THAT wasn't enough, you want us to make constant eye contact with you. WE are human. To you we are a piece of meat, I understand that. But try to be a little more open minded and treat us as humans, and maybe, just maybe less women will treat you like ATM machines. And yes, I do have clients emailing me all the time about their broken refridgerator or repairing their decks, like I'm their best friend or something. Give me a break. Go talk to your wives about this stuff.

[Chica Chaser]

Speaking as a hobbyist....I completely understand why you remain "incognito". If guys knew your real provider identity and then combined that to your real feelings expressed here; I really think you would go broke. I can only suggest you remain incognito, and seriously consider a new career. It's painful to see how unhappy you are with your chosen profession. There are many ladies in this business that actually like and enjoy what they do for a living.

Originally Posted by incognito isis

Don't put words in my mouth. I do whatever i feel comfortable doing. For me I like to keep my eyes shut because it takes me to someplace I enjoy. I escort 100% for the money. You wouldn't know it if you met me. And thats why I have these blokes emailing me all the time like were friends. Anyway, thats besides the point. I do my job pretty damn good. So I keep my eyes shut as if I am in ecstacy, but really I'm on a mental vacation. Sorry. I never said eye contact was crossing the line. What I am saying is, I do what I feel comfortable doing. I just think you guys are expecting waaaaaaaay too much from a provider. I see it more and more. You want BBBJ, CIM, DFK, passion, GFE, OTC time, ETC, free dinner dates. Get a real girlfriend and STOP asking us to place our health at risk. And if THAT wasn't enough, you want us to make constant eye contact with you. WE are human. To you we are a piece of meat, I understand that. But try to be a little more open minded and treat us as humans, and maybe, just maybe less women will treat you like ATM machines. And yes, I do have clients emailing me all the time about their broken refridgerator or repairing their decks, like I'm their best friend or something. Give me a break. Go talk to your wives about this stuff.

[Eccie Addict]

Incognito.... Isn't those guys wanting the things you say they are wanting treating you as if you are human? I mean if they went in and fucked the shit out of you, never looked you in the eye or kept them closed wouldn't that be treating you like you're a piece of meat?

What gives....

[Jack of the Lantern]

Originally Posted by incognito isis

Don't put words in my mouth. I do whatever i feel comfortable doing. For me I like to keep my eyes shut because it takes me to someplace I enjoy. I escort 100% for the money. You wouldn't know it if you met me. And thats why I have these blokes emailing me all the time like were friends. Anyway, thats besides the point. I do my job pretty damn good. So I keep my eyes shut as if I am in ecstacy, but really I'm on a mental vacation. Sorry. I never said eye contact was crossing the line. What I am saying is, I do what I feel comfortable doing. I just think you guys are expecting waaaaaaaay too much from a provider. I see it more and more. You want BBBJ, CIM, DFK, passion, GFE, OTC time, ETC, free dinner dates. Get a real girlfriend and STOP asking us to place our health at risk. And if THAT wasn't enough, you want us to make constant eye contact with you. WE are human. To you we are a piece of meat, I understand that. But try to be a little more open minded and treat us as humans, and maybe, just maybe less women will treat you like ATM machines. And yes, I do have clients emailing me all the time about their broken refridgerator or repairing their decks, like I'm their best friend or something. Give me a break. Go talk to your wives about this stuff.

I don't disagree entirely with what I think you are saying but there are issues I take with your statement. On one hand you protest against someone putting words in your mouth and on the other you paint the rest of us with a wide brush. Of your list of wants none of them pertain to me except passion and that really could be replaced with a facsimile of energetic enthusiasm. When I am with a provider I am the one who watches the clock. I know this is a business and I do not want to overstay. I do not email or text providers. My phone is only activated on days that I make the appointment and the day of in order to confirm or in case something comes up. I do not want a wife or gf in the real world so I sure as hell do not want to play at having one in this world. I don't kiss providers because the thought of kissing a stranger creeps me the fuck out. I realize that statement is itself somewhat hypocritical. A provider is not a piece of meat to me any more than she is a pretend girl friend. I do not treat her like either. I treat her with politeness and respect as I would try to with any human being.

I do find some things posted in these forums quite silly, even inane. Some I find repulsive and most of it is ironic and double standards abound. But as the song says, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZ4Z6Zo3Fk. I see this as a privacy issue. If there are hobbyists with lofty expectations, and there are providers willing to meet those those expectations, more power to them.

Pardon the run on post and my poor grammar.

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Speaking as a hobbyist....I completely understand why you remain "incognito". If guys knew your real provider identity and then combined that to your real feelings expressed here; I really think you would go broke. I can only suggest you remain incognito, and seriously consider a new career. It's painful to see how unhappy you are with your chosen profession. There are many ladies in this business that actually like and enjoy what they do for a living.

Chica, Thanks for the advice and I'm working on finding a new profession. In the meantime, it's escorting. You don't always have to love what you do. As is the case with me. I'm quite sucessfull and remain busy with regulars and such. It pays my bills and provides things i need. I would NEVER come here and confess all these things under my provider name. What I am seeing is more and more clients expecting more and more out of providers. I really think alot of you guys should get girlfriends if love is truely what you crave. Many of you confess, you just want a nice lay. So if thats the case how much eye contact I make won't matter. To be honest, I hate to say this! But some of my favorite clients are the ones who just want to get layed. They don't want to know my real name, don't ask what I'm doing the rest of the night, don't bother me with dumb emails about their broken refridgerator, they don't get all clingy, they don't need me to love them. Those are the guys who respect what you do, and your private life. They understand your a paid coutesan. Sorry if I'm pissy today but I've had it with these clingy clients who are in love with me! I'VE HAD IT STOP FALLING IN LOVE WITH ME I'M NOT YOUR GIRLFRIEND!!!!

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by Wicked Milf

I have to ask: with this adult lifestyle being about SEX and all that applies to SEX & Intimacy.
Just how are men in this hobby expecting too much from women, here?
Seriously, I'd like to know that answer.

Is kissing really expecting TOO much? Is enjoying anal sex with a man, really expecting TOO much? Is looking into a man's eyes while you're fucking, really expecting TOO much? Is wrapping your lips around his cock as he's enjoying those slow DSL pleasing him, really expecting TOO much?
Is enjoying his tongue between your thighs,on your ass, really expecting TOO much?

Is going out to lunch, dinner,concert, ball game etc, really expecting TOO much.

Is truly having an ENJOYABLE intimate time with a woman, here in this adult lifestyle, really expecting TOO much?


Really, what is it that men are expecting, That's TOO much?? Where this adult lifestyle is concerned, outside of that of fetishes & bondage and unsafe sex?

Because in my minds eye; intimacy, which includes kissing, gazing into ones eye, fucking in various ways is a natural thing two adults enjoy and why would that be any different in this adult hobby lifestyle? I'm dazed and confused and that rarely happens.

If I wasn't here incognito, I would be $aying the same $tuff you are. So all I'm going to say is...to each their own. You do have a valid point. But so do I.

[Eccie Addict]

Isis just point them to this site where you voice your true opinions and I believe it will solve your "them falling in love with you" problem lol.

[CarolinaGent]

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Isis just point them to this site where you voice your true opinions and I believe it will solve your "them falling in love with you" problem lol.

Ok

I just want everyone to know i'm not mad at you guys. I'm just frustrated by these clients falling in love with me. Thats where my hostility stems from. I come here to rant ALOT, and I come across as bitter, but maybe I should be a little colder with my clients. What do ya do?

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

Isis just point them to this site where you voice your true opinions and I believe it will solve your "them falling in love with you" problem lol.

Oh please that does not work! I sent a few of my clients here so they could see how I truly felt about them and it only made them want me more! The bitchyness actually turned them on . Men are weird!

[Mature Companion]

What I express isn't shit and sure as hell ain't for the $ as you indicated. I speak for what I'm about as a woman who truly enjoys men. As this is my adult time to be with men when I want and with whom I want. It's MY hobby it's NOT my life nor my job.

So YES I express without hesitation and surely not to appease anyone but myself. This adult lifestyle, where a woman enjoys a man. Is to me it's ALL about the enjoyment & intimacy and the overall uninhibited sexual pleasure I enjoy with whomever I want. I don't see any men based on their expectations. In fact if anyone in MY hobby life have expectations. It's ME.
I expect men I meet to fucking enjoy themselves uninhibitedly and not hold the fuck back. And be respectful and kind. That to me, is basic expectations.

And I'm still wanting to know, what it is you feel men expect TOO much of from women in this adult lifestyle, outside of the natural intimacy & norm of what men & women do when their alone and naked.

I would say you had a valid point, if I knew what it was. Besides all the Don'ts of what you don't like to do with men.

Originally Posted by incognito isis

If I wasn't here incognito, I would be $aying the same $tuff you are. So all I'm going to say is...to each their own. You do have a valid point. But so do I.

Originally Posted by incognito isis

I just want everyone to know i'm not mad at you guys. I'm just frustrated by these clients falling in love with me. Thats where my hostility stems from. I come here to rant ALOT, and I come across as bitter, but maybe I should be a little colder with my clients. What do ya do?

Why be frustrated or hostile because men in this adult lifestyle, fall in love with you?? When you should be flattered.

It's human nature to be attracted to another, to the point where one may develop feelings for another. Heck, I have over 2 dozen men from various cities & states whom have professed their fondness/some even professed their love for me.
I sure as hell don't get frustrated at them nor bitter at them.
I let them know I'm NOT looking for a man to love. Been there, done that and just want the freedom to enjoy men sexually, casually, as friends w/o any emotional attachments. They respect it and understand it and we still enjoy our moments (in or out of BCD). Those that can't reel in their emotions are men I choose to not to enjoy as often as I would like. As I know how they feel and well, I'm a woman they adore and have fond feelings for that they can't control. So I take over and limit our dates and find other women for them to enjoy. But unlike you, I don't get mad at them. It's human nature.
You can either enjoy the journey and be flattered that you lit up some mans heart/life in some small way or you can can continue being hostile because someone feel in love with a woman they enjoyed.

No matter what. You hold the key in how you handle it.

[incognito isis]

Ma'am, I apologize. I was in a bad mood earlier and I was out of line. IDK. I guess I'm just a snob who doesn't want those guys to be in love with me.

ALL: For the record, if you think my bitterness comes across while escorting, you are wong. If you go and look at many of my posts, they are in regards to crushy or clingy clients who have fallen for me. If I wasn't doing something right, do you think they would all be fallin' like flies over me? LOL. I do my job well. I save my bitterness and frustration for the Eccie audience to listen to. If I took it out on the clients, they wouldn't be calling me. You see how it works?
Luv ya, II

[Eccie Addict]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Oh please that does not work! I sent a few of my clients here so they could see how I truly felt about them and it only made them want me more! The bitchyness actually turned them on . Men are weird!

Women are wierd too lol.

[Guest011914-1]

WOW... eye contact makes it more intense...but also guys usually tend to close their eyes as they get off....

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

And some are watching Price is Right on the tube! Well, she was right before I got dressed and walked out. Or the ones that look like they are counting the ceiling tiles, or the ones that have that "2 mile stare" and never utter a sound....

They don't have to close their eyes to be uninvolved.