Donation before or after?

[GP]

And what about when someone is TOFTT with an unknown?

Pay up front or Pay at the end ? OR pay up front with the caveat that it remains untouched?

[DDarkness]

Out of respect for the lady it makes the most sense to lay it down and go from there. If you're TOFTT and the pics are fake you can/should walk, unless u like what u see or are so unbelievably horny that ur hoping that u'll at least get what u need. If you don't get what you need or expect or if the upsell begins then either pay to play, play at whatever the rate paid was, or walk out and don't look back! And then when you get back to the computer ... WRITE A REAL and HONEST REVIEW of the experience! This of course goes double when you have a positive experience and the TCB skills are great and the BCD skills are above and beyond your wildest dreams.

Fo me? I just want a hug

[SweetElizabeth]

I do because it is me that chose to do what I do. The guidelines are not set in stone as one may find in most corporations ..

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

why blame self.

A good guy/gal will make good. Or at least try. rip off will run. If its over a misunderstanding other then cash. Its the end, or start of repeat safe with. till it fades away.

As long as I do not feel rip off or misunderstanding on purpose there is hope or forget it. If on purpose, you can try to guard against it. But not blame self.

[cnym]

Originally Posted by GP

and the guy is happy that if services are not rendered, he can take his money back. This is a 2 way street. They lady is not the ONLY person who has to cover their ass.

GP,
This reminds me of when some providers call themselves YMMV, that is simply a cover your ass excuse to provide reduced services.
I agree that it should be a 2 way street, But I do not remember being given back some of the rate because of reduced services, or because I was not happy with the Date.
Once She has the $'s, it is over, the YMMV comes right up like a Rabbet out of a hat.

I have had Many Many fantastic experiences with the Ladies here, I respect them and appreciate them, so do not get me wrong. But, I have also had several Bad experiences, some were BP and some were eccie Ladies.

I feel that P4P should mean Pay For Performance.
If the performance did not meet my expectations, or be close to what I have read in reviews, then a refund of some of the rate should be in Order. Just like a tip is not expected but appreciated. Unfortunately I know that getting a refund or "make it up to you" will never happen.

[cnym]

Originally Posted by DDarkness

And then when you get back to the computer ... WRITE A REAL and HONEST REVIEW of the experience!

DD,
When was the last time you read a -ve review about an established ECCIE Lady?
It is the poor girls from BP that are Nieves about this business that get the "No" recommendation.

Maybe we should start a new Thread about "Why No -ve reviews about well known ECCIE ladies" I dont think anyone will participate !!, LOL
You may ask yourself why. To me the answer is very clear !!!

Disclaimer, some of my best provider friends post at BP

[offshoredrilling]

ya try to pay at the end GP. If asked to pay up front ya have to go with your gut. ie walk, run, stay.

Or as in my "NO" review where you said I was being to nice. In the end I think she was upset that I did not have a good time. Yes there where red flags. That keep me looking for a time to walk or run. But let it play out. And it all added up to a "NO". She told me she could not get the room. And in the room asked for upfront. If she could have put the cell off or silent and not look at. She could be fun. Just not sure yet. Depends on how she acts the next time I see her at the bar. If willing to talk good. If she still can not put the cell down down, I walk. If she stays away from me then who fucking cares, not I. It would not be the first time I gave a 2nd shot at. But that 2nd shot depend on how she acts.

[GP]

I agree CNYM.

There are very few guys who have the balls to write negative reviews of eccie ladies. I know I will write one if warranted.

[jokacz]

Define ECCIE lady. Anyone?

[offshoredrilling]

I feel that P4P should mean Pay For Performance.

so ya do not go back

I never had a bad time with gals on the old board or eccie. But do think some guys will not review a bad time with. Out of fear of WK's and or what may be said in powder room.

always two sides of a story. But some story's never will be told. But I can tell one can out live the problems for telling your side. Its a shame most will not take the risk.

[cnym]

Originally Posted by jokacz

Define ECCIE lady. Anyone?

Well Known provider that is a member of this fine group.

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

everything in post #54

+1

[jokacz]

Originally Posted by cnym

Well Known provider that is a member of this fine group.

I am going to assume that even the worst actor among them gives good service. Are you expecting behind the scenes drama to be incorporated into reviews now? The truth has a way of making itself known in time. But, I think I know what you are implying.

[cnym]

jokacz,
All I am saying is ; How come we never read any negative reviews about well known ladies?
Is it possible that all encounter are stellar?
Is it possible that only the Guys are always to blame for stuff?
Is it possible that ALL the ladies are honest players in the transaction?
Why is it always the Ladies bitching about the guys misbehaving ? This is starting to sound like a WE (Wife Experience) How come the Guys will not bitch about the Ladies? Is it what OSD said in post #54 ?
In my business, and especially now with the slow economy, Guess what, the customer is always right!. I will do whatever I have to do to keep my customers happy, they are my lively hood. As long as my customer is not hearing any -ve things about my business, it will continue to thrive.

In this case, We are the customers ! How come we never hear the -ve things?
Are all the guys WK's in a way or is there a Fear factor?

PS, My apologies to the original OP for changing the subject

[jokacz]

Well, Crystalaries took a pretty good hit the other day. Is she the exception that proves the rule or is she not part of the inner sanctum?

[cnym]

Originally Posted by jokacz

Well, Crystalaries took a pretty good hit the other day. Is she the exception that proves the rule or is she not part of the inner sanctum?

This is a perfect example of how it should work.
I can tell you that when I met with Crystalaries, I was very pleased, and it was after the bad review!!! I will see her again for sure.
Maybe that brought things to light? I dont know.
But if you do not tell your "vendors" that their services need to improve and they are slipping, then they will keep thinking that they are doing a good job.

If we keep doing what we are doing and expect things to change, that is insanity.
So please, start exposing the "horrible" situations and write about them. Save your "bro" from it happening to him.

How much longer do we need to keep paying for overpriced services, or lack thereof, when better services are available from another Lady, that is honest and is working hard to make a living.

[jackfengshui]

I would like to steer us slightly back on topic by relating a donation-related story.

I saw an established provider for the first time. At the beginning of the meeting, I discretely placed the donation on one end of the table. When I was getting ready to leave after a great session, I could sense that she had something on her mind. Finally, she said, "Have you forgotten something?" It dawned on me then that my placement of the donation was too discrete for her to have noticed. When I pointed out the envelope to her, she was totally embarrassed. I also felt very bad to have caused the misunderstanding in the first place.

My lesson learned: There is no place for subtlety here. The act of donating should be made as clearly and deliberately as possible.