What sort of event needs to occur for us to all pull together?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

If this is you sober, maybe you should get drunk.

Not a bad idea..there is hope for you yet!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Since you made the Nazi reference, don't forget the Nazis were the National Socialist German Workers Party, they were not conservatives.

You are so ignorant... Just because they called themselves that didn't mean shit. Kind of like the Tea Party.

[JD Barleycorn]

Whatzup are you a glutton for punishment? Adolf Hitler was a member of the Socialist Party in the early 20s. He was sent to spy on the National Socialist Party. He found that their brand of socialism and nationalism more to his liking. Hitler was a leftist, the Nazis were leftists, historical revision has tried to cast them as right wing because they had to seperate them from the noble communists they attacked in 1941. I could supply you with a short list of books but you need help with reading.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Whatzup are you a glutton for punishment? Adolf Hitler was a member of the Socialist Party in the early 20s. He was sent to spy on the National Socialist Party. He found that their brand of socialism and nationalism more to his liking. Hitler was a leftist, the Nazis were leftists, historical revision has tried to cast them as right wing because they had to seperate them from the noble communists they attacked in 1941. I could supply you with a short list of books but you need help with reading.

Please do. The Third Reich's first targets were Communists and other left-wing political groups. At least that's the way they explained it at Dachau, where the first of these political prisoners were interred.

Im sure you've got those books too. I suggest you read them before you burn them.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

The Soviet Union didn't have a right wing to deal with. They had a completely left wing country. Look how well that worked out. Every time the voice of conservatism is silenced, disaster follows, China, Cuba, Cambodia, USSR, Eastern Europe, etc.

I am not in any of those countrys are you?

[CuteOldGuy]

Do we really want to debate the merits of Hitler's fascism and Lenin's communism? If practice, how different were they? Not much. So let's stay as far away from either of them as we can.

Whenever the government seeks to control behavior, they lean one way or the other. How about getting government out of the control business? Let people do what they want, how they want and with whom or whatever they want, so long as they don't interfere with someone else's right to do the same thing? What is so terrible about that?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Do we really want to debate the merits of Hitler's fascism and Lenin's communism? If practice, how different were they? Not much. So let's stay as far away from either of them as we can.

Whenever the government seeks to control behavior, they lean one way or the other. How about getting government out of the control business? Let people do what they want, how they want and with whom or whatever they want, so long as they don't interfere with someone else's right to do the same thing? What is so terrible about that?

Turns out the so called right is just as bad as the so called left in that regard! Who knew?

Not numbnuts like JD who thinks Hitler was some leftie!

[CuteOldGuy]

Far right and far left lead to the same place. Tyranny.

I think the Constitution of the US exhibits the best attempt to limit the power of government. Of course it had its flaws, and still does. But I think pulling the federal government within the confines of the Constitution, where it belongs, is the best place to start.

We can then amend the Constitution to update those areas which may be archaic, and to keep up with the times. However, the principles espoused in the Constitution will never be archaic, but the means of implementation may grow out of date. It's not a perfect document, but it is the best there is out there.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You are so ignorant... Just because they called themselves that didn't mean shit. Kind of like the Tea Party.

It's kind of like when Obama calls himself a Christian.

[TexTushHog]

It's going to take an economic disaster like the last one we had except in the next one the government doesn't rescue the financial system and doesn't provide a stimulus to save the country from Depression. And frankly, I'm not sure even that will do the trick. People are so ill-educated and susceptible to snake oil salesmen in the corporate owned MSM they'll believe anything. I think even 25+% unemployment won't be enough.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Whatzup are you a glutton for punishment? Adolf Hitler was a member of the Socialist Party in the early 20s. He was sent to spy on the National Socialist Party. He found that their brand of socialism and nationalism more to his liking. Hitler was a leftist, the Nazis were leftists, historical revision has tried to cast them as right wing because they had to seperate them from the noble communists they attacked in 1941. I could supply you with a short list of books but you need help with reading.

"Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg is a great book that explains how violence and oppression almost always come from the left end of the political spectrum.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis.../dp/0767917189

[CuteOldGuy]

An economic collapse will turn us against each other. As George Orwell explained, we need an outside threat to keep the country united. Whether it's real or manufactured.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

It's going to take an economic disaster like the last one we had except in the next one the government doesn't rescue the financial system and doesn't provide a stimulus to save the country from Depression. And frankly, I'm not sure even that will do the trick. People are so ill-educated and susceptible to snake oil salesmen in the corporate owned MSM they'll believe anything. I think even 25+% unemployment won't be enough.

Now we have a starting point... THANKS HOG

[JD Barleycorn]

I was thinking "The Hitler Myth" by Kershaw would be a good starting point. He is a recognized authority on Hitler.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by timpage

How do we stop hating on each other and try to come together in this country?

Is it a world war that draws us all together against a common enemy?

An economic catastrophe that makes us all forget about the stupid culture shit that splits us apart now because we're all too busy trying to figure out how to feed our families?

A civil war where the conservatives and the progressives split up the United States because we can't reconcile our cultural differences in regard to shit like abortion?

Discuss.

Hopeless...