So what now?

[eccieuser9500]

First:

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Courts are not required to explain away what you read on the internet no matter how confused you may be.

And second:

[eccieuser9500]

Review.

Dump around the wold.

The U.S. is being laughed at.

[eccieuser9500]

Florida man . . . .

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

The courts work how the courts work. This isn’t new and just because you want a different result regarding the merits doesn’t mean the courts should work differently to satisfy your desire for an answer.

Standing is a bedrock issue and a hurdle that every suit has to overcome. You get into an accident with Dixie Cup. Dilly the D can’t sue you because you hit Wimpy. He has no standing to bring that suit on Wimpy’s behalf. Even if Wimpy was badly hurt. The standing in that action belongs to Wimpy.

Violations of state statutes can be brought by members of that state. Which was tried I believe. But then there’s detrimental reliance issues and clean hands doctrine issues at play within the state. Innocent parties are generally not disenfranchised when they rely to their detriment on what they believe is the law. Further, the legislature can’t pass a law, then claim that it’s unconstitutional when it has an effect with which they are unhappy. Their remedy is to pass another law. They don’t have clean hands to challenge their own actions. Now that is not to eat that slaw passed by a legislature can’t be found to be unconstitutional but generally the chsllenge can’t come from the same body that created the law.

Ok, I get it. You want an answer on the merits. The suggestion is that maybe Trump and his cronies shoulda got better lawyers. Or challlenged the changes to the laws prior to the election itself, like when the laws were changed in order to not allow people to act in accordance with the changes and attempt to disenfranchise their votes.

Texas or any state cannot sue another state over their laws. It’s been tried. It’s always failed. For the exact same reason, standing. This isn’t new. When can Texas sue La, mostly over land disputes, water rights, even possibly air quality or environmental issues. But Texas can’t sue LA over differences in their interpretation of the second amendment for instance.

Let’s assume the LA passed a law that allowed the manufacture and purchase of rifle attached grenade launchers. And the store was set up in lake Charles. Texas believes the 2nd amendment doesn’t apply to grenades so prohibits those sales. Texans then start coming over and purchasing them and bringing the back to Texas. Beaumont and the Texas AG can’t sue LA to resolve what could be a 2nd amendment argument.

As for proving something before the trial. Summary process is a factor of the law. In order to bring a claim there has to be primea facia evidence of the claim. I can’t just make an allegation without having some proof. I don’t get to allege fraud, which must be plead with specificity, then go out and try to prove some fraud exists. I also don’t get to plead some legal violation without having some proof. 12b motions, which every federal case must survive, require that the attorney be able to at minimum put forth competent (also meaning credible) evidence that at least the basics of the case can be proven. In Most State courts like LA, defendants can object to the bringing of suits based on no right or action (standing) or no cause of action (law has no remedy for claim brought) or judgment on the pleadings (the pleadings themselves state no ability to proceeed with the litigation). In federal court Rule 11 requires that the atty properly investigate the claim and be able to support it prior to filing suit. Rule 12b requires their be standing, a primae facia showing that the case can be proven with competent evidence and a cause of action exists. All of these are resolved within weeks of the case being filed and served at an initial hearing.

Even more stringent is the request for injunctive relief which all the Presidents and state AG and legislative suits are (since time is of the essence snd they cannot await the normal years long litigation process). At the time of filing the suit and requesting the injunction one must prove that they can win at trial. No some speculation that it’s a possibility but there must be competent evidence that shows that a victory is a high possibility. The other requirement is that the remedy cannot be attained through the normal litigation process. Wimpy sues you over a property dispute, he claims you have a contract to sell him the property and it’s binding. You however are selling it to D the Dummy for a higher price. Wimpy can request an injunction to prevent your sale if he shows the court the contract. He has a high probability of winning at trial and if you sell the property while awaiting a trial Wimpy has no remedy.

In well over 50 suits the Trump team failed at that part of the task. Crazy affidavits and misconstrued videos and peoples opinions don’t make for competent evidence in court. Maybe on OAN and Newsmax snd on Twitter snd Parler feeds, but not in courts of law. Courts are not required to explain away what you read on the internet no matter how confused you may be.

Thank you for your response. I was about half way through "contesting" your analysis, when I decided along with the SC that this issue is moot. So be it.


As far as the outcome of the election goes. Joe Biden will be President and it is still conceivable that information may be forthcoming that will change the views of some Americans but it will be too late. So be it.

[rexdutchman]

Keep calm and resist ,,,,,, does the cnnnn and media brain washing hurt

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Keep calm and resist ,,,,,, does the cnnnn and media brain washing hurt

Isn't it funny how when Democrats "resist", it is done with pride, it's patriotic and when Republicans say they will resist, it's treason an attempt to subvert Democracy. It would be funny if it wasn't sad that this is what our country has come too and we will see the results of this "chaos" just as our foreign advisories planned.


Did you hear that their is "in-fighting" on releasing the latest Intelligence assessment on China's interference in in the 2020 election.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...meddling-views


Trump Spy Chief Stirs Dispute Over China Election-Meddling Views

President Donald Trump’s spy chief won’t meet Friday’s deadline to submit a classified report to Congress on foreign efforts to sway the Nov. 3 election, officials said, because of arguments within the intelligence community over whether China should be cited more prominently for its attempts to influence American voters.
A statement from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s office on Wednesday night said the deadline won’t be met because career officers in the intelligence community say they’ve “received relevant reporting since the election and a number of agencies have not finished coordinating on the product.”


On Tuesday, Ratcliffe was weighing refusing to sign off on the report unless it more fully reflected the national security threat posed by China’s efforts according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity owing to the sensitivity of the information.

Anybody else find it interesting that 5 years after it happened, we find out that one of Trump's leading critics, calling Trump a Russian asset, Eric Swalwell, Democrat, Calif. had a Chinese spy bundeling money for Swalwell and talked him into hiring another Chinese spy to put on his staff and knowing all this at the time, Nancy Pelosi decides to put a person, possibly compromised by a foreign power, on the US Congress Intelligence Committee. Anybody remembering hearing this 5 years ago? Swalwell is on tape telling us that he had "evidence" that Don Jr. "meet with a Russian spy" and speculated that this could be a criminal act. How fucking hypocritical is that coming from a guy who did the very same thing and covered it up?


Then add the spy in Diane Fienstein, Democrat, Calif. camp for 20 years!!!


I think we will find out in the coming months and years, just how much China has infiltrated our government, our businesses, our universities and tech industries, how organizations like the NBA are so beholding to China that they can not speak the truth as to the inhumane activities of the Chinese while they feel free to criticize the US for far less.


Here is an interesting experiment that I can't do because I don't have an I Phone. If you do have an I phone ( an Apple product ) go to images and type in Xi Jinping and see what you get.


https://www.scmp.com/abacus/tech/art...e-images-china

Apple’s GIF search won’t find some images from China

Using Apple’s iMessage app to search for “Chinese” GIFs gives you a blank page


Or try typing in "Tiananmen" and see what you get.


Seems as though Apple has made a deal with China that as long as they speak no evil about China, they will continue to enjoy the largess of the Chinese Communist Party, same deal, message, the NBA, Hollywood and others got. To much money to be made or lost talking negatively about China. So in this atmosphere, how are we ever going to hold China accountable for all the tings they are doing including property theft, hacking and spying?

[oeb11]

When 'H...' pontificated to Biden -' Resist, never give up, do not Concede" - She is a DPST hero.

any Conservative voices that is a traitor and Russian apologist.



Meanwhile - the Biden Crime family profits with CCP billions/Billions of slush fund money - and Copmrade Xi is happy to have purchased the office of POTUS.



Hypocritical - of course
Do DPST's care - of course NOT!!!


Now for the usual yowls from the DPST 's afflicted by Teacher's Unions education.
9500- we have not seen Robespierre in some time - forgot about your hero of the French Revolution who ended on the guillotine???
And - who is totally irrelevant to todays conversations - but that matters not to DPST's

[Lapdog]

What matters, Chicken Little is this: Biden won. Trump lost. Mission accomplished. Deal with it, snowflake.

[Strokey_McDingDong]

Russia and China only meddled in the 2016 election. In 2020, any meddling what so ever was impossible, because Biden.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Lapdog

What matters, Chicken Little is this: Biden won. Trump lost. Mission accomplished. Deal with it, snowflake.

I think you encapsulated the entire argument; Trump lost. You could have nominated Adolph Hitler or a potato as long as Trump loses. You've come close on both. So here is the question that the left avoids like a vampire avoids crosses; what did Trump do to you?
Trump gave everyone who pays taxes a tax cut.
Trump removed onerous regulations from business prompting new hiring and the first wage increases in years.
Trump stood up to China and revealed their duplicity in world affairs.
Trump started rebuilding our military after eight years of neglect.
Trump revealed the ugly, partisan face of the media.
Trump fought hard and finally did what congress is supposed to do...he is securing the southern border.
Trump destroyed the terrorist nation growing inside of Iraq and Syria.
Trump got the European countries to step up on their commitments to NATO.
Trump responded to natural disasters in blue states and red states.
Trump offered to help the embattled mayors of Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, and others though they are not friends.
Trump had the lowest unemployment rate among blacks, women, and Hispanics in history.
Trump had the highest worker participation rate in history.
Trump financially supported black colleges for the next ten years.
Oh yeah, Trump tweeted a lot and he spoke plainly like an American to us Americans.

So why all the hate?

[HedonistForever]

They didn't like his "style" so they elected Joe Biden for his "style". Didn't you hear, bumbling fool is so in these days, it's the new style but unfortunately, you still got a President that is going to lie to you every single day he is in office. He is off to a good start. "My son didn't make a dime from China".


How long before one of you guys say "yeah but Joe's lies aren't as big and bad as Trump's lies". I'm betting it won't take long

[HedonistForever]

Well, add another Democrat to the list of those making money from China and hiding that fact until they couldn't any more.


https://www.yahoo.com/now/georgia-se...185236698.html


Georgia Senate Candidate Jon Ossoff Quietly Discloses Financial Ties to Pro-CCP Hong Kong Media Company

Georgia Democrat and Senate candidate Jon Ossoff has been compensated by a Hong Kong media conglomerate whose owner has spoken out against pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, according to his most recent financial disclosure.

Ossoff, whose role as CEO of a London-based producer of investigative documentaries has drawn scrutiny over the years, reported in an amended financial statement seems he forgot to add this in his first filing but I guess that could happen to anybody that he has received at least $5,000 from PCCW Media Limited over the last two years — a detail that has previously gone unreported. Ossoff did not disclose his ties to PCCW in his initial financial report, which he filed in May.

One of his other clients was Al Jazerra. He doesn't much care who he makes money from I guess. Gotta pay those bills.


Will any Democrat that didn't make money from China, please raise your hand!

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

I think you encapsulated the entire argument; Trump lost. You could have nominated Adolph Hitler or a potato as long as Trump loses.

These two were one. They were voted out.

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

You've come close on both. So here is the question that the left avoids like a vampire avoids crosses; what did Trump do to you?

NOT ME!

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

So why all the hate?

[1blackman1]

By the way. In case you’ve not heard, Trump lost the election by an astounding 7 million votes. He lost in areas that other republicans won. I mean damn, even republicans voted against him. He lost in an electoral landslide including losing 2 states that are Republican. Shit he even lost a southern state. A Republican has to truly be terrible to lose a state that had republicans in all statewide offices and a majority of congressional seats.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

By the way. In case you’ve not heard, Trump lost the election by an astounding 7 million votes. He lost in areas that other republicans won. I mean damn, even republicans voted against him. He lost in an electoral landslide including losing 2 states that are Republican. Shit he even lost a southern state. A Republican has to truly be terrible to lose a state that had republicans in all statewide offices and a majority of congressional seats.

Your examples doesnt get you thinking about the fraud that occurred? Dive deeper! The light is there to see!